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The marvelous clouds + spots of light + the fire pink= Wow.


May 24, 2016 at 08:01 AM
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p.2 #2 · Cathedral of the Sun


Lovely color and dedicated post processing result, Mark.
I am very sure you do have a reason to crop this photo to a square image.
However, I feel very much that this photo has some balance problem.
The very narrow cut off at the bottom is not balanced at all with the over emphasized sky.
Also the cut off mountain peak on the right side doesn't give any mysterious feeling but suddenly chopped image.
With mountain scene which must have been very open and vast.. I feel suffocated and confined.

And.. lastly.. why did you call this image "Cathedral of the Sun" ?

Kee



May 24, 2016 at 08:29 AM
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p.2 #3 · Cathedral of the Sun


Very natural, cool crisp feel to this one Mark. Thanks for sharing.


May 24, 2016 at 10:00 AM
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p.2 #4 · Cathedral of the Sun


Great shot! I have photos from this same area and the clouds definitely did not cooperate as well for me as they did for you.


May 24, 2016 at 10:58 AM
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Gorgeous! Not sure what else to say - the picture speaks for itself!
Dave



May 24, 2016 at 07:36 PM
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p.2 #6 · Cathedral of the Sun


Beautifully Captured. A really stunning image!

Ryan



May 24, 2016 at 07:48 PM
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I absolutely love this. I am trying to find what I could say from a critique standpoint - I don't see the "glow" but I wonder if the sky could be a tad bit brighter? But really, this is a great shot, sharp from edge to edge. Is this a single shot?


May 24, 2016 at 07:55 PM
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Wonderful image! I really like the interplay of light and shadow and the splash of color from the wildflowers in front is terrific. Thanks for sharing.


May 25, 2016 at 04:31 AM
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First of all thank you everyone for commenting. I really appreciate it. It is raining in Bandon this early morning so I have a break to briefly comment here.




Kane Engelbert wrote:
Yea this one sings perfection. I love how you just went with the best given comp vs trying to make it a more standard ratio. Amazing PP control of the rising clouds which are usually way brighter than any foreground. Your final product here is basically the only possible way to present this incredibly dynamic scene. Kudos to you. Inspirational PP.



Thank you very much! Yes with the Canon, this was impossible with one shot. Today with the Nikon or Sony, it would be possible. I did heal a highlight or two with a slightly darker exposure using the Layer Style Blending Options, my prefered blending tool of choice.


Dave Dillemuth wrote:
Beautiful, Mark! Love the spotlighting and you've captured some nice drama in the sky. Fields of fireweed? in the foreground provide another compelling visual element.


Thanks dude! Yes Fireweed. Great area for it here.



JR Photo wrote:
Simply wonderful. I am very impressed. Mom is correct!

J. R.


Thank you! Moms are always right. My mom is an artist genius. So usually I trust her intuition.



roythegreat wrote:
Just wow


Just thank you!



danthebiker wrote:
Fantastic! I would personally crop maybe 10% off the top, otherwise it's perfect


Thank you very much. I tried several slight crops above, but this one just looked the best to me for whatever reason... But I appreciate the suggestion and felt the same way.



kwilliam8 wrote:
Beautiful image! One of your best (and that says a lot!).
Keith W.


Huge thank you. One of my favorite photographers over the years has been Marc Adamus and he said this:

"Wow! Man, this is so epic. Those clouds just top it off. Easily the best rendition I can recall from here!"

Yesterday was my birthday, and that compliment from him was my birthday present. So, I am really happy about it. I really appreciate your compliment / feedback too.



przero wrote:
Really nice......


Thank you.



gordon l wrote:
Outstanding image and one of the best your your workshop in recent memory.


Thank you very much. Actually I took this the day after the workshop was over... But we did shoot here. It is one of my favorite locations on the planet. Even just to sit and stare.



rparchen wrote:
The processing is spot on. Very well done.


Big thank you! I calibrate my 27 inch Mac Thunderbolt (in a diffused lighted room) to 2.2 Gamma, 6500 White Point and most importantly 130 CD or brightness (viewed through Chrome, or Safari). And on my monitor I believe accomplished what I wanted. I am glad others like it.




Steve Perry wrote:
Sweet shot Mark - I really like this one. Glad you decided to process it


Thank you Steve. Hard to sit on such a shot so long...



TexSchneider wrote:
Awesome!

Tex


Thank you Tex! See you before long!



bktools wrote:
A classic, Mark.

Bob


Thank you very much Bob!




Max_Pain wrote:
Beautiful! I really need to get out there and see these parks in person. Thanks for sharing.



Thank you. Yes you do!



Adam_A wrote:
Holy (&$^.

Adam






JimFox wrote:
Hey Mark,

You got some nice light in this and it makes for a very nice shot. I don't care for the glow look, I thought you had gotten away from using that?

Jim


Thank you for the compliment Jim.

No heavy "glow" was used here. Sorry you don't like the slightly dreamy look. I believe it a quite authentic interpretation of the scene. Not much has changed in my preference in processing (except always trying to improve my workflow). But yes, I absolutely believe almost all images (at least mine or to my eye) can benefit (and some tremendously) from some level of custom, localized highlight diffusion to prevent that sort of stale, "dry" look that digital often renders highlights (to my eye). In my Video Tutorial on the subject I quote Mark Adamus (paraphrase) from about 7 years ago (concerning the history and evolution of various approaches to highlights) when he said he observed that:

"quality highlights in nature often have a certain glow or sheen or brilliance to them that often digital renders sort of stale."

So, in my mind, for one to try to get a little of that back is a good thing if one does not overstep their attempt.



MJKoski wrote:
Hm? You sure there is an added glow? I have seen lots of different natural glows happen due to moisture in the air.

But back to the photo at hand, it is one grand landscape made larger than life by those clouds circling the mountaintops.


Thank you! No generic, heavy "glow" is used here. I am glad you like the photo.



Fred Miranda wrote:
Great capture Mark! I'm not a fan of square comps but this one works for me.
Best,
Fred



Thank you Fred. Yeah, square is not my favorite either, but this one could not work for me any other way... Thank you for your compliment!



IPTAK wrote:
It does have a "glow" like quality to it, doesn't it? Personally, i really like it. i think the image is stunning, well done.

I am curious what steps were taken for the post processing though. Care to share?


Thank you very much! I really appreciate the feedback.

Maybe refer to my comment to Jim above. No generic heavy "glow" was used here. In fact I am in Bandon, Oregon right now leading a workshop and we just did post processing training all day yesterday (and I used this very image to teach from) including localized, custom highlight diffusion and the Layer Style Blending sliders to control some of that... Some people were surprised at how little I did to develop this image. But, yes, I do use some very subtle, very custom (unique) very localized highlight diffusion techniques sometimes to images. Some of which I have innovated. Unfortunately, to explain it here would be impossible because, as an example, my Video tutorial on the subject of "Mastering Orton, Dreamy and Highlight Glow Effects" is almost 2 hrs long... If you enjoy my work, I'd say maybe refer to my website? But my general workflow stems from getting every single drop of quality out of Raw (Lightroom or Camera Raw) and then the last 10-20% fine tuning is obtained by Photoshop. One question students/clients always ask these days is "Is Photoshop still really necessary?" My answer is always "yes!" Unless you want to throw that 10-20% improvement onto the cutting room floor. Sorry I could not give you a more thorough answer...



psharvic wrote:
The marvelous clouds + spots of light + the fire pink= Wow.


Thank you!



Kee Woo Rhee wrote:
Lovely color and dedicated post processing result, Mark.
I am very sure you do have a reason to crop this photo to a square image.
However, I feel very much that this photo has some balance problem.
The very narrow cut off at the bottom is not balanced at all with the over emphasized sky.
Also the cut off mountain peak on the right side doesn't give any mysterious feeling but suddenly chopped image.
With mountain scene which must have been very open and vast.. I feel suffocated and confined.

And.. lastly.. why did you call this image "Cathedral of the Sun" ?

Kee


Thank you Kee for your feedback. I take it all into careful consideration. This was my prefered crop and really you would have to see the distracting elements outside the frame to understand why it was the best option for me. I appreciate your feedback but honestly don't feel the same way.

As far as the name, it is named "Cathedral of the Sun" partially due to the location being on the famous "Going to the Sun" road.



Gary Clennan wrote:
Very natural, cool crisp feel to this one Mark. Thanks for sharing.


Thank you Gary. I appreciate your compliment.



dbehrens wrote:
Gorgeous! Not sure what else to say - the picture speaks for itself!
Dave



Thank you Dave!



lostinjapan wrote:
Beautifully Captured. A really stunning image!

Ryan


Thank you Ryan.



NorthDallas wrote:
Wonderful image! I really like the interplay of light and shadow and the splash of color from the wildflowers in front is terrific. Thanks for sharing.



Thank you! Thank you for taking time to comment.



May 25, 2016 at 08:00 AM
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p.2 #10 · Cathedral of the Sun


Hey Mark,

thats a good one! I really love the american landscapes.

Daniel



May 25, 2016 at 09:59 AM
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p.2 #11 · Cathedral of the Sun


Very nice shot.


May 25, 2016 at 10:15 AM
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p.2 #12 · Cathedral of the Sun


I'm with Fred on "square comps", but this works really well because it's beautiful throughout.

Bart Carrig



May 27, 2016 at 06:16 AM
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p.2 #13 · Cathedral of the Sun


Stunning image.

I feel very curious as to what was outside the frame on the right side, in fact not being able to see it creates a ton of tension/suspense for me. Perhaps that's adding to the mystique of this as well! But if you have it available I'd love to see the whole scene.



May 27, 2016 at 10:26 AM
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p.2 #14 · Cathedral of the Sun


Nice imaging Mark!
Makes me want to go up into the mountains today.

I love the lush green, brutal looking cliff face, and the overflowing cloud cover!



May 27, 2016 at 10:36 AM
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p.2 #15 · Cathedral of the Sun


Stunning grandscape!!


May 27, 2016 at 12:59 PM
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Nubcake wrote:
Hey Mark,

thats a good one! I really love the american landscapes.

Daniel



Thank you Daniel. Yes, we are quite spoiled here, especially those who live in the western US!



Bill Gass wrote:
Very nice shot.


Thank you Bill.



Bart Carrig wrote:
I'm with Fred on "square comps", but this works really well because it's beautiful throughout.

Bart Carrig


Me too. I only like them on a rare occasion. I have a Punchbowl Falls shot on my website that is one of my very top sellers and it was a square crop (whopping 7 minute exposure during a torrential downpour) but that is about it in terms of my portfolio. Once in awhile the composition just leads to square as was the case here.


mb126 wrote:
Stunning image.

I feel very curious as to what was outside the frame on the right side, in fact not being able to see it creates a ton of tension/suspense for me. Perhaps that's adding to the mystique of this as well! But if you have it available I'd love to see the whole scene.


Thank you for the feedback. I wish I could give you that, but on this shot I shot it no other way... I am on the road leading a workshop right now and when I am done I'll check my hard drives to see if I have a shot that will show that...



ckcarr wrote:
Nice imaging Mark!
Makes me want to go up into the mountains today.

I love the lush green, brutal looking cliff face, and the overflowing cloud cover!



Makes me miss the Mts too... Thank you for the compliment! Well appreciated.




Scott Kroeker wrote:
Stunning grandscape!!


Thank you Scott! Best to your amazing MUSIC and photography! For those who do not know, Scott is an amazing musician. Maybe look up his music if you get the chance? Scott could you provide a link here?






May 29, 2016 at 02:35 PM
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I like this Mark, the light is especially nice. If I were to offer you some constructive criticism it would be this - The bottom of the image feels a bit cramped, would have liked to see more of the fireweed there. As is I think this image would benefit from a square crop, to eliminate some of the sky, and put a little more emphasis on that nice light. Also, the sky seems a little too "airy", for lack of a better word, almost as if the clarity slider was pulled back heavily. Hope you're able to make it back to Glacier soon, and get a hold of me if you do, I'm only a couple hours from the park.


May 29, 2016 at 03:00 PM
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Zack Clothier wrote:
I like this Mark, the light is especially nice. If I were to offer you some constructive criticism it would be this - The bottom of the image feels a bit cramped, would have liked to see more of the fireweed there. As is I think this image would benefit from a square crop, to eliminate some of the sky, and put a little more emphasis on that nice light. Also, the sky seems a little too "airy", for lack of a better word, almost as if the clarity slider was pulled back heavily. Hope you're able to make
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Thank you Zach. I appreciate your thoughtful feedback.



Jun 02, 2016 at 08:12 PM
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Very nice light and well processed on this one, Mark. Frankly, I am finding some square images somewhat appealing. Different is good sometimes.

One thing I would like to ask you, was in regard to a comment you made about your brightness setting on your 27" Mac. 130? Wow, seems like that would create some really dark prints? Maybe my older monitor is different than a newer version, but mine is set to around 90. Just curious.



Jun 02, 2016 at 08:58 PM
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khenke wrote:
Very nice light and well processed on this one, Mark. Frankly, I am finding some square images somewhat appealing. Different is good sometimes.

One thing I would like to ask you, was in regard to a comment you made about your brightness setting on your 27" Mac. 130? Wow, seems like that would create some really dark prints? Maybe my older monitor is different than a newer version, but mine is set to around 90. Just curious.



Thank you. You bring up some great issues here.

Mastering fine art printing is a whole other beast altogether (I have several popular video tutorials on the subject) than Web images.

I generally calibrate to 60CD for print (and advise / teach that as well) work on a white background, soft proof all the way from Raw (and a lot of other tricks...). Over the last 10 years, I have been very, very fortunate to be able to have produced many tens of thousands of dollars worth of fine art prints for top gallery photographers (mostly under strict confidentiality agreements) as well as my own work. Having that luxury has been awesome because I have been able to put every conceivable technique to the test.

For web, *if the room you edit in is not too bright or too dark (moderately lit / diffused lighting) then 130CD is the general industry standard.

The funny thing with all this online posting and fine critique is that people are sometimes giving very careful critical feedback on what they see, but far more often than not, we are NOT even on the same color management page! Most, if not all top color management gurus would agree this necessitates a standard.



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