Mitesh, I'm happy being a snap-shooter. All the driven to madness pixel peepers kill me! I guess if my job was photography I'd have a different slant.
So here's yet another one to cause stress here
I was a pro for ten years in the 70s and 80s of the last century.
I was good at what I did, 99% B+W, as I learned good technique from a real pro at an early age, but when I look at what I did back then, that is, the stuff that kept butter on my bread, I realize how incredibly far things have progressed. What has stayed the same though, is that in the end it is the message that outweighs the "technical quality".
With birds we are in a bit of a bind though, because one expects to see feather detail and the sun reflected in the perfectly focused eye, and when that doesn't happen we are disappointed, and by we I also mean the random viewer. Still, some of my favorite shots since I took up photography as a HOBBY 8 years ago are far from what one would call technically perfect. In fact, the FF guys would argue that NONE of our FT shots are technically perfect. That may be, but I don't care! You don't have to be a master of The King's English to say something meaningful.
DamC.Licks wrote:
I was a pro for ten years in the 70s and 80s of the last century.
I was good at what I did, 99% B+W, as I learned good technique from a real pro at an early age, but when I look at what I did back then, that is, the stuff that kept butter on my bread, I realize how incredibly far things have progressed. What has stayed the same though, is that in the end it is the message that outweighs the "technical quality".
With birds we are in a bit of a bind though, because one expects to see feather detail and the sun reflected in the perfectly focused eye, and when that doesn't happen we are disappointed, and by we I also mean the random viewer. Still, some of my favorite shots since I took up photography as a HOBBY 8 years ago are far from what one would call technically perfect. In fact, the FF guys would argue that NONE of our FT shots are technically perfect. That may be, but I don't care! You don't have to be a master of The King's English to say something meaningful....Show more →
Well said DamC. Hey, incidentally I struggle with English too (and I have an English degree among others)....
DamC.Licks wrote:
I was a pro for ten years in the 70s and 80s of the last century.
I was good at what I did, 99% B+W, as I learned good technique from a real pro at an early age, but when I look at what I did back then, that is, the stuff that kept butter on my bread, I realize how incredibly far things have progressed. What has stayed the same though, is that in the end it is the message that outweighs the "technical quality".
With birds we are in a bit of a bind though, because one expects to see feather detail and the sun reflected in the perfectly focused eye, and when that doesn't happen we are disappointed, and by we I also mean the random viewer. Still, some of my favorite shots since I took up photography as a HOBBY 8 years ago are far from what one would call technically perfect. In fact, the FF guys would argue that NONE of our FT shots are technically perfect. That may be, but I don't care! You don't have to be a master of The King's English to say something meaningful....Show more →
Oh Oh......don't let this kind of talk get over to the landscape or nature and wildlife forum. A few of the self proclaimed Gods of those pages will attempt to strike all imperfect pixels off of those pages and provide quick and just punishment to the one who would dare to post anything not perfect in their eyes (which is usually their work and a few of their followers work). Please refrain from giving hope that this can be a place to discuss and learn about the common thread we call photography that brings both pros and hobbyist together at this place. Because next you might suggest that everyone should show common courtesy and respect to one another and about then you will be struck with lightning
from the perfect pixel Gods and stoned until you will post no more.
I would never post this front focused trash for "the Gods". They don't care that it came from a new kit that I am excited to learn about. They don't care that this is the first time I have ever been able to take a shot at 800mm. The fact is that it is not perfect and bandwidth belongs to the Gods!
Wonderful, some humor! I need it!
I do appreciate your view.
But truth is I do learn a lot here, even among the flames; and despite the detritus there really are
some super people here always willing to help. Bobby and Joshua stand out to me.
Don't get me wrong.... I love nice crisp sharp shots and sharp lenses etc.etc. And, at only 72, I still have a lot to learn and keep trying to learn. I would certainly rather have to blame myself for a missed shot than blame my equipment, because I know nobody at Olympus or Canon is listening to my cursing when I do miss something good. It depends so much on the situation and on the moment, and what the end result is.
Here is one of my favorites, the first picture I took with my Canon 400/5.6, here on a 5DII which I bought at the same time as my E-M1 to try out. (Sold it three weeks later ;-) Have the lens to this day... my absolute favorite). Taken just before dark as soon as I got home with the "new" camera and lens.
Don't get me wrong.... I love nice crisp sharp shots and sharp lenses etc.etc. And, at only 72, I still have a lot to learn and keep trying to learn. I would certainly rather have to blame myself for a missed shot than blame my equipment, because I know nobody at Olympus or Canon is listening to my cursing when I do miss something good. It depends so much on the situation and on the moment, and what the end result is.
Here is one of my favorites, the first picture I took with my Canon 400/5.6, here on a 5DII which I bought at the same time as my E-M1 to try out. (Sold it three weeks later ;-) Have the lens to this day... my absolute favorite). Taken just before dark as soon as I got home with the "new" camera and lens.
rxgolf wrote:
Oh Oh......don't let this kind of talk get over to the landscape or nature and wildlife forum. A few of the self proclaimed Gods of those pages will attempt to strike all imperfect pixels off of those pages and provide quick and just punishment to the one who would dare to post anything not perfect in their eyes (which is usually their work and a few of their followers work). Please refrain from giving hope that this can be a place to discuss and learn about the common thread we call photography that brings both pros and hobbyist together at this place. Because next you might suggest that everyone should show common courtesy and respect to one another and about then you will be struck with lightning
from the perfect pixel Gods and stoned until you will post no more.
I would never post this front focused trash for "the Gods". They don't care that it came from a new kit that I am excited to learn about. They don't care that this is the first time I have ever been able to take a shot at 800mm. The fact is that it is not perfect and bandwidth belongs to the Gods!...Show more →
I'd agree with your sentiments about the Landscape forum. But I really haven't seen any critique (justified or unjustified) on the N&W forum for years now. Only a few members give any critique at all (Karl comes to mind). Everything over there is just a pat on the back even to horrible images that not only are technically garbage but also tell no story or portray anything interesting at all. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but it leads to a slippery slope. Still FM does have a Critique forum but it isn't used much. My point was that I really don't find the N&W forum to be critical at all and people are really nice (too nice in some cases).
arbitrage wrote:
I'd agree with your sentiments about the Landscape forum. But I really haven't seen any critique (justified or unjustified) on the N&W forum for years now. Only a few members give any critique at all (Karl comes to mind). Everything over there is just a pat on the back even to horrible images that not only are technically garbage but also tell no story or portray anything interesting at all. That isn't necessarily a bad thing but it leads to a slippery slope. Still FM does have a Critique forum but it isn't used much. My point was that I really don't find the N&W forum to be critical at all and people are really nice (too nice in some cases). ...Show more →
I tend to agree with Geoff's post. Regarding critiquing someone's work, over in the Canon Forum (where I "grew up"), I think it's understood that the gear forum is for more informal sharing and showcasing, whereas the presentation boards are for more formal presentation and feedback.
It can be difficult to tell whether someone will or will not be receptive to what might be a well-intentioned comment, such as, "Nice feather detail, but it appears to be a bit front-focused. Have you tried AFMA on the combo?" I generally stay away from offering crits unless asked for, but if an individual really doesn't want to hear crits, it may be a good idea to simply state something like, "posted for your viewing pleasure only, no crits required". Just a suggestion .
It's a tough call when it comes to critiquing someone's image, especially if you don't know that person well. I find most of the comments/critiques somewhat too polite, as most FM'ers do not want to offend or hurt (which is a good thing) so they hold back on any negative criticism - you know - if you have nothing good to say, just shut up! And then there are others who show widespread generosity/congeniality (dishing out "likes" willy-nilly) in the hopes of picking up more likes and even votes for themselves on the assumption that their compliments and "favors" will be returned! But I think that's the nature of the beast and I am okay with it. There is nothing worse than an argumentative and somewhat hostile crowd like the folks at DPR.
bobbytan wrote:
It's a tough call when it comes to critiquing someone's image, especially if you don't know that person well. I find most of the comments/critiques somewhat too polite, as most FM'ers do not want to offend or hurt (which is a good thing) so they hold back on any negative criticism - you know - if you have nothing good to say, just shut up! And then there are others who show widespread generosity/congeniality (dishing out "likes" willy-nilly) in the hopes of picking up more likes and even votes for themselves on the assumption that their compliments and "favors" will be returned! But I think that's the nature of the beast and I am okay with it. There is nothing worse than an argumentative and somewhat hostile crowd like the folks at DPR. ...Show more →
Right on. There are critiques on the N&W forum nearly every day. If some people ask for it, I may give it, but it is supposed to be a presentation forum, not a critique forum. There is one particular member that feels the need to nitpick many images even when not asked to do so. The funny part is that same person has posted some of the worst images I have seen.
Also, one of the most "popular" posters on that forum actually PM'd me saying he would not click the LIKE button on any of my images unless I did the same for him. Unfortunately, that forum has a "you kiss my ass, and I will kiss yours" clique.
The presentation forums should have an option where you can just share your images and not allow any comments. And there should also be a DISLIKE button. Both those buttons should be annonymous.
Ok, tear this one apart
C/C please.
Or just give it a glance and move on.
I seem to have the PL100-400 glued to the M1ii, but lately I've been revisiting the 40-150/2.8.
Is there not a replacement part for when I want to remove the ridiculous tripod foot on the 40-150Pro? I looked at the Oly site but didn't see it
I guess I can see someone using a tripod but I haven't that I recall and that foot is way unwieldy for me.
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Ok, tear this one apart
C/C please.
Or just give it a glance and move on.
I seem to have the PL100-400 glued to the M1ii, but lately I've been revisiting the 40-150/2.8.
Is there not a replacement part for when I want to remove the ridiculous tripod foot on the 40-150Pro? I looked at the Oly site but didn't see it
I guess I can see someone using a tripod but I haven't that I recall and that foot is way unwieldy for me.
K-H, done. But with the whole thing off it looks like something is missing. I thought Oly made a ring-without foot for when you pull off the whole tripod-foot.
No biggie in the big picture but thanks.
Yes it is!!!
Ha! Thanks Mitesh, means a lot.
Less than 6 weeks and we return to Florida so I can continue studies of the M1ii for BIF.
So, is there now a consensus on using the PL100-400 with the M1ii
IBIS on or off ??
Lens stabilization one or off??
I think (if remembering correctly) best is IBIS on and lens stabilization off.
I do remember that the len's range limit is to be set to full.
... sorry!
