How is face detect speed? I find the face detect speed on my EM1 M1 ages behind my Panasonic GX7. Panasonic is just way faster, and can detect a face, profile, sideways, upside down, immediately. For EM1 it finds a face but it is much slower. As a result, with my always running 4.5 year old, I've always found that I got more keepers with GX7 than EM1 due to much superior face detect, in SAF mode. CAF for tracking obviously GX7 is very poor,EM1 is muchbetter. but my question is about Face Detect. Has Face Detect speed and level of recognition improved in comparison with EM1 Mark 1?
I was hoping that the Em1-11, would be a third body for some sports images. Most of their intended use is for the Web, newspaper and magazine. I was intrigued by the AF and the smaller size. I have been shooting the Em1 and the Pen-f and really enjoy the portability for family and vacations. My main cameras are Nikon D4s and D500. For some assignments I wanted the Mark 2 to be a companion, either longer ,shorter or wider. For this game I had my 70-200 2.8, and shot far court as a test with the 40-150 giving me 300FL. Was also considering using it at 600 , with a 300 f4 or the Panny 100-400 getting me 800 ,( I don't own either one yet) for assignments when my longest glass is 400 on the FF. The other intention was to use it wider, so instead of lugging a third body with a 24-70 2.8, I was going to try the 12-40 and carry it in a waist bag or lens pouch. I am not thrilled with the high ISO nor the WB, but that is also the venue, has cycling lights and I wanted to show the images without noise reduction or fooling w the color. I turned off the face detection and used the main focal points C-af and used H and also the electronic H. Tried the Pro-capture, but I don't think that is appropriate for moving targets. I still think this camera has a use for my intended purpose, I need to continue the experimentation. I can say the ergonomics are great, the camera feels solid in the hand and is extremely portable. Sorry for the long post. It will get another outing for a hockey game. thanks.
absolutic wrote:
How is face detect speed? I find the face detect speed on my EM1 M1 ages behind my Panasonic GX7. Panasonic is just way faster, and can detect a face, profile, sideways, upside down, immediately. For EM1 it finds a face but it is much slower. As a result, with my always running 4.5 year old, I've always found that I got more keepers with GX7 than EM1 due to much superior face detect, in SAF mode. CAF for tracking obviously GX7 is very poor,EM1 is muchbetter. but my question is about Face Detect. Has Face Detect speed and level of recognition improved in comparison with EM1 Mark 1?...Show more →
I'll try some more tonight. Just had a very brief play with mine last night in my living in really poor lighting (1/60 @ f/1.2 had me at ISO 2500). I have a 3.5 year old and a 17 month old, so having quick face detect is definitely a high priority for me too. I'll say this though, nothing comes close to Sony's Eye-AF. That just picks up eyeballs from across the room. Could be the massive amount of AF points, etc. Fuji's Eye detect is poor, Olympus is a little better but have to get really close and almost fill the frame for it to pickup an eye. With Sony you could be across the room with the face taking up a small fraction of the screen and just hitting the button would get somewhat close to the eye.
amlsml wrote:
I was hoping that the Em1-11, would be a third body for some sports images. Most of their intended use is for the Web, newspaper and magazine. I was intrigued by the AF and the smaller size. I have been shooting the Em1 and the Pen-f and really enjoy the portability for family and vacations. My main cameras are Nikon D4s and D500. For some assignments I wanted the Mark 2 to be a companion, either longer ,shorter or wider. For this game I had my 70-200 2.8, and shot far court as a test with the 40-150 giving me 300FL. Was also considering using it at 600 , with a 300 f4 or the Panny 100-400 getting me 800 ,( I don't own either one yet) for assignments when my longest glass is 400 on the FF. The other intention was to use it wider, so instead of lugging a third body with a 24-70 2.8, I was going to try the 12-40 and carry it in a waist bag or lens pouch. I am not thrilled with the high ISO nor the WB, but that is also the venue, has cycling lights and I wanted to show the images without noise reduction or fooling w the color. I turned off the face detection and used the main focal points C-af and used H and also the electronic H. Tried the Pro-capture, but I don't think that is appropriate for moving targets. I still think this camera has a use for my intended purpose, I need to continue the experimentation. I can say the ergonomics are great, the camera feels solid in the hand and is extremely portable. Sorry for the long post. It will get another outing for a hockey game. thanks....Show more →
These shots look about right for ISO 4000 if you don't do some tweaking to the settings. The link below is to some high ISO tips from Robin Wong for the Pen F (20mp Sony sensor) and they made a huge difference when I tried them all the way up to ISO 8000.
bobbytan wrote:
I don't think that's practical. A small m43 sensor will never be able to compete with a FF sensor in terms of IQ, period. As anyone who has adopted/invested in m43 system would agree, you don't get into m43 for IQ reasons alone. IQ is a less important part of the equation. The more important reason is compactness and the FUN factor. I travel a lot. Schlepping around a DSLR or even a FF mirrorless is just not fun.
One of the reasons I don't shoot as much as used to is because I refuse to lug my 1DMK4 or f4MK3, lenses, etc. with me on travel. But when I travel I do want to get high quality shots that I would be proud to print and hang on a wall. I don't think it is asking too much of the m4/3 to achieve this. After all this a $2000 camera coupled with $1000+ lenses.
Bottom line is we should not have to make a major compromise in quality to get portability.
I think that those that can't get high enough quality shots from 4/3 cameras to print and hang on their walls maybe don't know what they are doing. Seems like these shots from the E-M1 are good enough to do that:
A "high enough" quality is extremely subjective. I am pretty happy with the output/results from my m43 files and I compete on a regular basis ... but I have been told by seasoned pros and those in the know that my files suck compared to files from the likes of the Sony A7R II and even the 24MP A7 II. Sensor size matter when it comes to image quality.
Imagemaster wrote:
I think that those that can't get high enough quality shots from 4/3 cameras to print and hang on their walls maybe don't know what they are doing. Seems like these shots from the E-M1 are good enough to do that:
bobbytan wrote:
A "high enough" quality is extremely subjective.
Of course it is. All I am saying is that "seasoned pros and those in the know" have been making money for years selling prints made the files from cameras with 10mp and less. And today's 4/3 files are equal to those.
I was actually told that a 10MP FF sensor will deliver better files than a 16MP m43 sensor.
Imagemaster wrote:
Of course it is. All I am saying is that "seasoned pros and those in the know" have been making money for years selling prints made the files from cameras with 10mp and less. And today's 4/3 files are equal to those.
bobbytan wrote:
I was actually told that a 10MP FF sensor will deliver better files than a 16MP m43 sensor.
Groan...I shot my original E-M5 side by side my Canon 5D (12MP) for a couple years. The only differences I ever saw were that the E-M5 doesn't have banding when you push your files and DOF. The former always being a plus in μ43 favor and the latter going back and forth depending on your subject matter.
And I have some beautiful 18x24 prints from both cameras.
I am willing to bet the answers will be very different if I post this question on the Sony, Canon or Nikon board ... but I am not going to do that. What's the point? After all, I am a happy camper with my m43 system in spite of the grief that I often get from my FF peers. Everything is subjective and relative, of course, but I will still maintain and believe that sensor size matters when it comes to IQ. But I can live with the trade-off.
MAubrey wrote:
Groan...I shot my original E-M5 side by side my Canon 5D (12MP) for a couple years. The only differences I ever saw were that the E-M5 doesn't have banding when you push your files and DOF. The former always being a plus in μ43 favor and the latter going back and forth depending on your subject matter.
And I have some beautiful 18x24 prints from both cameras.
Just got my E-M1ii and a few quick impressions from the little time I had to play around with it.
- Grip is improved over the E-M1, which was already good, but it's still just a touch too short au natural and will need an arca swiss plate to be really pleasant to hold.
- As others have mentioned, the memory card door feels very cheap. It's not as bad as the one on the X-T1, but it feels pretty bad in comparison to the rest of the camera.
- Shutter blackout is hugely improved over the E-M1 and pretty much any other mirrorless camera I've used in the past. Can't wait to try this out on some moving subjects.
- As expected, I'm not exactly in love with the fully articulated screen...oh well.
- The battery the camera came with had 4% charge. Just cruel Olympus, just cruel. Fortunately the spare battery I ordered still had ~40% charge in it.
- It will probably take me some time to adjust but the new menu seems like a complete mess, even worse than the old one.
There is a lot of angst and moaning about high ISO performance and IQ in general for M43. Over and over again!
Every camera includes a set of trade-offs. Of course it would be silly to think that one could equal FF, high mega pixel image quality in really large prints with M43. Equally silly to think that the High ISO pics will approach FF above, say, ISO 1600. However, when we say they are not equal it does not mean that the M43 files are not more than adequate for a range of print sizes, say up to 30x40. Will FF prints look better? Up close yes; from normal viewing distance no. And why is FF the ultimate standard? Everyone knows that medium format and large format are much better. We all understand that large format or medium format impose tradeoffs most of us will find impractical or even intolerable. No one is making us buy m43.
So, where does this leave us? Take a look at what Robin Wong does regularly with m43. Looks really good to me. How about the work of Diego Garín Martín? Finally, take a look at the work of Jay Dickman, http://www.jaydickman.net/, who writes “I have lots of shots printed at 30 x 40 inches, and I challenge people who say you can only work with big sensors to show me that the smaller sensor makes a difference. I say, “Put your big prints up, and I’ll show you my prints, and you show me the real differences.”
I can tell you from my own photography that I replaced my L-lenses and Canon 5Dii with the e-m1. I now enjoy photography more. Shooting the m1 is a hoot, the files are better than I got with the 5Dii. They print better, better shadows. The pro lenses are better and cheaper than my canon 24-105, the 16-35 and even the 70-200 Ls. Of course, I stipulate that at some degree of enlargement the 5dii and all the modern FF frames will make a better print. Technique matters more with m43, cropping is limited, How often do you print? Do you print? Do you print bigger than 17x22 inches? How often?
whumber wrote:
Just got my E-M1ii and a few quick impressions from the little time I had to play around with it.
- Grip is improved over the E-M1, which was already good, but it's still just a touch too short au natural and will need an arca swiss plate to be really pleasant to hold.
- As others have mentioned, the memory card door feels very cheap. It's not as bad as the one on the X-T1, but it feels pretty bad in comparison to the rest of the camera.
- Shutter blackout is hugely improved over the E-M1 and pretty much any other mirrorless camera I've used in the past. Can't wait to try this out on some moving subjects.
- As expected, I'm not exactly in love with the fully articulated screen...oh well.
- The battery the camera came with had 4% charge. Just cruel Olympus, just cruel. Fortunately the spare battery I ordered still had ~40% charge in it.
- It will probably take me some time to adjust but the new menu seems like a complete mess, even worse than the old one....Show more →
Shutter sound is fantastic, no? I'm not a fan of the new charger though, that green light is very, very bright. Still don't like that it's not one of those foldable prong chargers either, luckily I have a bag full of spare L adapters for chargers.
It took me about 20 minutes to go through and adjust settings and even something as simple as turning on the dancing squares took digging to find. I get being able to customize everything, but having an option to show one single box even in C-AF, dancing boxes with half press, and even a setting to show no AF box at all (who would ever use this?) is borderline too much.
Shutter sound is indeed very nice, especially at 15 fps, =). Also, I'm not sure if it's the IBIS making the noise or if the camera is intentionally making a sound but I like that there's a very quiet mock shutter sound when shooting in low speed silent continuous mode.
bobbytan wrote:
I am willing to bet the answers will be very different if I post this question on the Sony, Canon or Nikon board ... but I am not going to do that. What's the point? After all, I am a happy camper with my m43 system in spite of the grief that I often get from my FF peers. Everything is subjective and relative, of course, but I will still maintain and believe that sensor size matters when it comes to IQ. But I can live with the trade-off.
Agreed. The 5D was eventually replaced with an A7rII. I can definitely see the difference. For me μ43 is now a telephoto-only platform. There is no FF lens that completes in size and equivalent DOF to the 75mm f/1.8, for example. That's enough for me!
Robert, I have to officially welcome you to the Olympus OM-D Club! Without a doubt, you are going to enjoy this camera immensely when you use it either with the PL 100-400 or 300/4 PRO - with or w/o the MC-14 TC.
MedicineMan404 wrote:
Not an e-mail, no notification at all and guess what shows up this evening! His and hers
OMD M1 mk II. The study begins
