itai195 wrote:
That "new" feature on the G85 where you can configure it to only use the EVF when up to your eye, and to otherwise shut off the LCD and EVF, is something every mirrorless camera should have. That probably would mitigate my hatred of Oly's on/off switch placement, because I wouldn't have to use the switch as much.
The G80/85 will probably be the toughest competition for the E-M1 II. While the GH5 will be a very video-centred camera, the smaller brother will be competent enough for most and half the price of the Olympus, and with most of the functionality that 95% of photographers need. It looks boring, but isn't.
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
No, there are two problems with this, both of practical nature:
- I can't switch on the camera if my left hand is busy with something else, for instance gripping a tree or other solid object so that I can lean out over whatever when taking a photo. You'd be surprised how often that kind of thing happens at sports events, particularly car races.
- I forget to switch off the camera when I'm done (since all my other cameras have this function available for my right index finger), and with bad luck some button (video springs to my mind) is activated in the bag or when crashing into other photographers at events, leaving me with 30 minutes of useless footage or a drained or nearly drained battery.
I may be a klutz, but both of the above have happened to me more than once....Show more →
I'm not the brightest kid on the block, but:
1 - I'd turn the camera on prior to arriving at the event, like once I got out of the car.
2 - I have the camera setup to shot off after 5 minutes (for how I shoot)
3 - Or I'd switch to a different system that works to my liking.
TMaG82 wrote:
In terms of on/off switch location for me
1. Around the shutter
2. Switch on the bottom right of camera where I can use my thumb
3. Switch on left like E-M1 or Canon DSLR
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100. Press down for a few seconds to turn on/off like many P&S
Switch around the shutter is the obvious place. Even the little GM5 has it there. It's like the ignition key on cars. It's easier if they all follow the same standard (and Saab went bankrupt).
My Audi A4 ignition button is on the center console. Hope they don't go bankrupt!
Jorgen Udvang wrote:
Switch around the shutter is the obvious place. Even the little GM5 has it there. It's like the ignition key on cars. It's easier if they all follow the same standard (and Saab went bankrupt).
.Switch around the shutter is the obvious place. Even the little GM5 has it there. It's like the ignition key on cars. It's easier if they all follow the same standard (and Saab went bankrupt).
Actually GM went bankrupt and they owned Saab. They dumped Saab and Hummer to save themselves
Now we are really off topic
Actually GM went bankrupt and they owned Saab. They dumped Saab and Hummer to save themselves
Now we are really off topic
Saab soldiered on for a while after the GM misery, and actually still exists in some form under the name NEVS. GM sold it to Spyker in 2010 who in turn wanted to sell it to a Chinese investor, something that was stopped by GM. Production of "ordinary" Saab cars was stopped in 2014 and most assets were sold off. I believe they are looking into electric cars at the moment. They are based in Tianjin in China and have Chinese owners, but do not use the Saab trade mark enymore.
I used to drive Citroën in my younger days btw., and had more than ten of them altogether, with anything except the ignition key in the wrong place
And yes, we are off topic, but it's an interesting analogy. After image quality, whatever that is, ergonomics is the hottest discussed topic when it comes to camera bodies, and there seem to be two distinct camps: those who say it doesn't matter at all and those who say it matters a lot. Standardisation is of course an integrated part of that question, and drawing parallels to other industries is both natural and constructive.
Leave the thread for a couple of days and we're discussing cars and why SAAB went down? I highly doubt it was the placement of the ignition key though
As far as the ON/OFF Switch on the E-M1 (or OM-D series all together) that is a very small issue that can easily be learned for those who don't know it. I do like the placement around the shutter better but I don't care much about it. I have the Sony A7 now as well which has the placement around the shutter and it's great. The E-M1 placement isn't bad though and the fact that it would require two hands to turn it on, well, does it matter? How often do you shoot single handed?
Turn the camera on at the start of shooting and enjoy your photography. If you can't get around this so called "issue" then by all means chose a different camera
Ergonomics matter very much for me but the placement of one button or switch, that I may use a few times a day and never in a hurry, no that does not matter. Ergonomics such as how good the camera feels, placement of shutter button and important dials for ISO, shutter speed, exposure compensation, those matter.
Leave the thread for a couple of days and we're discussing cars and why SAAB went down? I highly doubt it was the placement of the ignition key though
As far as the ON/OFF Switch on the E-M1 (or OM-D series all together) that is a very small issue that can easily be learned for those who don't know it. I do like the placement around the shutter better but I don't care much about it. I have the Sony A7 now as well which has the placement around the shutter and it's great. The E-M1 placement isn't bad though and the fact that it would require two hands to turn it on, well, does it matter? How often do you shoot single handed?
Turn the camera on at the start of shooting and enjoy your photography. If you can't get around this so called "issue" then by all means chose a different camera
Ergonomics matter very much for me but the placement of one button or switch, that I may use a few times a day and never in a hurry, no that does not matter. Ergonomics such as how good the camera feels, placement of shutter button and important dials for ISO, shutter speed, exposure compensation, those matter. ...Show more →
Exactly. Well said. The E-M1 with their front and rear dials of which their front dial is around the shutter which makes changing faster than taking your finger off the shutter to the front dial like a Sony (which some people claim is too recessed) and just slightly pressing the shutter is convenient. Having aperture and shutter very easy then with a flick of a button being able to control ISO and exposure comp makes the E-M1 and most likely the E-M1.2 one of the more comfortable cameras to use. They even switched over the side of the 1/2 lever for those that like to use BBF.
The placement of the ON OFF switch sucks!
I shoot Sony and Olympus side by side.
More often than not I turn the E-M1 dial instead of switching off he camera.
For most people, myself included, having the on/off switch near the shutter button is the most obvious/natural place, but it's definitely not a deal breaker for the E-M1 and E-M1 II - in the same way that more and more cars are placing the ignition key/button in unconventional places and not where you would normally expect to find it. And besides, the OM-D is supposed to emulate the retro look and feel of the immensely successful OM series of the 70's and 80's - hence it's name, OM-Digital.
TMaG82 wrote:
Exactly. Well said. The E-M1 with their front and rear dials of which their front dial is around the shutter which makes changing faster than taking your finger off the shutter to the front dial like a Sony (which some people claim is too recessed) and just slightly pressing the shutter is convenient. Having aperture and shutter very easy then with a flick of a button being able to control ISO and exposure comp makes the E-M1 and most likely the E-M1.2 one of the more comfortable cameras to use. They even switched over the side of the 1/2 lever for those that like to use BBF.
Personally I prefer the location of the on-off switch on these to ones next to shutter button. I find the right hand top side of many cameras, particularly Sony FE, to be over-crowded.
Just to be clear — I'm not saying it's a deal breaker, just something that can be improved. I find I have to turn it on quickly quite a lot, since I simply don't trust the camera to not drain my battery while in standby. Anyway, I certainly don't want to derail the thread with more whining, as someone called it, so I'm through with this particular topic
waterden wrote:
Personally I prefer the location of the on-off switch on these to ones next to shutter button. I find the right hand top side of many cameras, particularly Sony FE, to be over-crowded.
bobbytan wrote:
For most people, myself included, having the on/off switch near the shutter button is the most obvious/natural place, but it's definitely not a deal breaker for the E-M1 and E-M1 II - in the same way that more and more cars are placing the ignition key/button in unconventional places and not where you would normally expect to find it. And besides, the OM-D is supposed to emulate the retro look and feel of the immensely successful OM series of the 70's and 80's - hence it's name, OM-Digital.
Having been an Olympus user for 40 years, I've always seen the placement of the on/off switch as a disadvantage. It didn't become a problem until the OM-3 and 4 though, since they have a battery drain problem, but it is one of the reasons why I use the OM-2 more than the OM-3, since the OM-2 doesn't drain the battery much even when left in "on" position for a prolonged time.
Olympus kind of solved it with the E-1, placing the on/off switch at the top right corner at the back, although that wasn't ideal either, since it was rather exposed. Some Panasonic cameras has it in a similar position, but a bit retracted. That works very well for me, since it can be reached easily with the thumb of my right hand.
Still I use the E-M1 regularly, but the placement of that switch will be one of the things I consider when choosing between the Mark II and the G80/85 and the GH5.
The passion around the discussion of the on/off switch is interesting to me since I am considering an E-M1 II.
I'm still a mirrorless noob, so forgive the dumb question... But are people in the habit of turning off their cameras while shooting to preserve to battery life? If so, I guess the placement of the switch would become more important.
With my SLRs, I simply let them sleep until they go into a bag at the end of a shoot; otherwise they are on, often all day long. It sounds like that is not a normal practice with MILC...?
Question: Is it possible to turn off the rear display altogether on Olympus bodies and exclusively use the EVF? And does that reduce the need to constantly power down the cameras?
With my current cameras I am not in the habit of using the rear LCD for any purpose other than occasional chimping...
