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I shot this one side by side a FM member/client last year in New Mexico. We both have seen very few skies go so ablaze with pink. If you look closely you might see me on top of the cliffs.

Side note: I really can not believe how fast time flies! Last year at nearly this time, I was at the same stealth camping site I am at right now (in the forest of the Columbia River Gorge) just beginning a mega 300 day travel fest, to which I am starting again... Living almost exclusively out of my SUV shooting (I get a rare hotel here and there). This year will have me at all the same general areas again (all over the Pacific Northwest May - July, then the great Southwest July - Nov). But this year after fall finishes in the SW, I will be heading to Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Italy, Greece and a couple other locations. I made the decision about 2 weeks ago, and can not wait! I have been to Egypt and Israel before and I am a closet biblical history scholar of sorts. I'll spend about 2+ months there (studying and shooting and I even get to participate on a substantial ancient archeological dig!) before coming home to Oregon to rest and spend a much needed break with family and friends.

I genuinely hope everyone on this board has a great spring shooting season. I look forward to seeing many of you out there.

Lastly, if this image is not spot on please forgive me. No way to critically evaluate my image on a Macbook Pro in my car... Should be close though.

Special thanks to the Man, the Myth, the Legend - Ryan Dyar (one of my favorite photographers) for a little feedback on the processing of this one.

Sony A7R2
Canon 16-35L2@22mm
f/11
200ISO
1/6
Single exposure.

As always, thank you very much for looking and a special thanks to those who take precious time to reply.

All the best...








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Apr 30, 2016 at 11:17 PM
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p.1 #2 · Pink Happens


A lovely image bordering on psychedelic though my mushroom intake has been low. The fine detail pops brilliantly throughout the image. The image might benefit from a black border to sort of contain everything.


May 01, 2016 at 12:02 AM
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Hey Mark,

A wildly colored scene here. The pink looks great, but there is a glow to the ground like you used an Orton Glow effect on it.

As for your comments about Ryan Dyar. Other then knowing the name since you keep thanking him for reviewing your images, I don't know anything about him. As to him being a man and a myth or legend? That sounds odd. It just seems like you are somehow trying to validate this image by name dropping this guys name. I could be wrong, but I just see no point in name dropping.

Images should stand or fall based on their own merit, not based on some death defying adventure story or the dropping of names.

Jim



May 01, 2016 at 03:31 AM
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To Jim Fox,

Ryan Dyar has a distinctive photography and processing style. He has posted here. Also, he can be Googled.

Perhaps the man, myth, legend was a bit over the top, but to give credit for help received, and inspiration is legitimate. I like to study the processing efforts of the Dyars and Metternichs and of some of the others who post on FM. While I may never take processing to the point they are, understanding what they are doing or attempting is a good learning place from which I may be able to improve both my own photography and processing. Since the shafts of light sweeping across the scene is a bit apart from the usual Metternich style I like the credit given Dyar. I may or may not have seen the connection on my own.

Also, I enjoy the story tellings from those who have the ability to do so. My photography exploits are more of the plod and grind variety and my story telling ability is even less colorful, so power to those who can, and Mark can. While I personally cannot hang off the side of a mountain with one hand, camera in the other, tripping the shutter with my nose, reading the tales of those who can is enjoyable.

Steve J




May 01, 2016 at 10:52 AM
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I'm more with Jim on this. I don't need the story telling...if I wanted that, I would look for blogs. I'd rather just have the image, it's location and if possibly the equipment details. Now if someone asks about the story behind the image, then yeh, let her rip...but this is a photo display board, not a blog.

As far as the image goes, I love the composition, but I think the pink is over done a bit.



May 01, 2016 at 12:07 PM
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p.1 #6 · Pink Happens


another over processed image?


May 01, 2016 at 12:37 PM
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p.1 #7 · Pink Happens


Nicely done!


May 01, 2016 at 01:30 PM
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juststeve wrote:
To Jim Fox,

Ryan Dyar has a distinctive photography and processing style. He has posted here. Also, he can be Googled.

Perhaps the man, myth, legend was a bit over the top, but to give credit for help received, and inspiration is legitimate. I like to study the processing efforts of the Dyars and Metternichs and of some of the others who post on FM. While I may never take processing to the point they are, understanding what they are doing or attempting is a good learning place from which I may be able to improve both my own photography and processing.
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Hi Steve,

Thanks for your thoughts and input. I could be mistaken, but I actually think Ryan might have actually picked up his style from Mark first. Mark has been doing brightly colored glowing photos for quite a few years. Only in the last year had he gone to a more natural feel in his photos. So who inspired who could be debated, though I think they all resonate from Marc Adamus. I definitely recall here on this forum when Marc Adamus used to post many years ago how Mark Metternich was emulating his style back then.

Enough of who begat who though.

I definitely agree with giving credit when credit is due. But to make it a habit, and so over the top, it just feels insincere and just simply name dropping. And with some of the adventure telling, to be honest it is becoming so common place among a lot of people, and you see it not just on FM, but on some of the other sites also, that it's hard to really tell fact from fiction. It seems like many people have started to believe that unless they can share a death defying story that their image is then lacking. So that's my point about just letting our images stand on their own merits. A back story is always nice to read, I enjoy them. But not every story needs to be a near death experience to then make the photo good.

I guess that's it on my thoughts, time to head out to Joshua Tree and get set up for shooting some stars tonight!

Jim



May 01, 2016 at 01:45 PM
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JimFox wrote:
Hey Mark,

A wildly colored scene here. The pink looks great, but there is a glow to the ground like you used an Orton Glow effect on it.

As for your comments about Ryan Dyar. Other then knowing the name since you keep thanking him for reviewing your images, I don't know anything about him. As to him being a man and a myth or legend? That sounds odd. It just seems like you are somehow trying to validate this image by name dropping this guys name. I could be wrong, but I just see no point in name dropping.

Images should stand
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Thank you for your feedback in the image. On my laptop I am not seeing what you may be. But there may be some indication there because I do love using various custom highlight glow effects in localized ways.

As far as thanking Ryan... I am simply giving a great guy and great photographer public thanks for giving me a little feedback/help on my image. As far as always dropping his name. No, I think I thanked him publicly maybe one other time on this board. Maybe I am wrong, but I think the last time I did this was with Alex Noriega (about a year ago) who helped me with the processing of my Boardman Seascape stacks with the Milky Way ("10 Years" image). Alex really helped me a lot on that one (and if you know his work you will see his influence in that image) and he too (like Ryan) is a tremendous photographer (in my opinion) so I just thank them publically so that people might maybe get to know their work better. It is to give back to them.

"The Man the Myth the Legend" is just what I always call him (and to his face) tongue in cheek, my odd humor because he is very well known and does amazing work.

As far as an image standing or falling on its own merits... Definitely, I agree 100%.



juststeve wrote:
To Jim Fox,

Ryan Dyar has a distinctive photography and processing style. He has posted here. Also, he can be Googled.

Perhaps the man, myth, legend was a bit over the top, but to give credit for help received, and inspiration is legitimate. I like to study the processing efforts of the Dyars and Metternichs and of some of the others who post on FM. While I may never take processing to the point they are, understanding what they are doing or attempting is a good learning place from which I may be able to improve both my own photography and processing.
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Thank you very much Steve. I write to simply share. I have a great passion about the work we get to do as landscape photographers and I am perpetually excited about it. I write for those who may like to read it, not for those who don't. Those who don't should feel free to just look at the photo if they want to. I get a lot of feedback here from people who thank me about sharing the adventure with them, or they appreciate me keeping them up to date on what is going on. It is those who I write for. And it is to those I really appreciate. Thank you.



chez wrote:
I'm more with Jim on this. I don't need the story telling...if I wanted that, I would look for blogs. I'd rather just have the image, it's location and if possibly the equipment details. Now if someone asks about the story behind the image, then yeh, let her rip...but this is a photo display board, not a blog.

As far as the image goes, I love the composition, but I think the pink is over done a bit.



Thank you Chez for the feedback. I'm glad you like the image.

As I describe above, I write for those who want me to and may appreciate it. I have had a lot of followers on FM that over the years have constantly thanked me for sharing, so I do. But I get you. If I don't care to read the story behind someone's adventure or image, I just skip the text and look at the image(s). For me, it is a combination. There are some people on this forum I LOVE reading about and their adventure or some of their ongoings in life, and that is what I love about this amazing forum, it is quite personable here unlike many of the top forums now coming out. Then there are others that I may not be interested in their life or adventure (or maybe I just don't have the time) so I just look at their photos...


As far as the pinks go. It is impossible for me to judge if I over stepped here or not. I am not on my normal calibrated monitor. I'm on a Macbook laptop in the field currently.

I know that over the years you have seemed to comment on my images in a way that seem to reflect a preference toward a more tamed or literalist point of view (I may be wrong about that). But, taking your feedback here I have now desaturated this by 10pts (revised) for those who may feel the same about it. I appreciate that feedback. When I get back to my calibrated monitor in a week I will be able to much better judge if it is as intended or not...

Again thank for the feedback.



EGrav wrote:
another over processed image?


Sorry to say, but this is not a very helpful comment. If there is something specific that is over processed about it, would you be willing to please give me some constructive feedback about what that is? That way I can learn from it, improve my skills and maybe the presentation of the image? I would very much appreciate that. It very well may not have been fine tuned well due to not being on my normal calibrated monitor (as I mention above). I will put another lower saturation version in here and hopefully it is better.

Thank you.

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May 01, 2016 at 01:50 PM
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I love the color in the sky and the composition as well. It's a great image. I do feel the sky could be brightened or foreground darkened a bit as it feels like they are too close in brightness levels.


May 01, 2016 at 02:26 PM
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I like it, Mark. Looking forward to seeing what your travels produce.


May 01, 2016 at 04:12 PM
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Yeah. These pinkies are rare and here in Finland they mostly occur during a rainstorm passing by with the sunset afterglow. Thanks for showing this. It made me dream of such place.


May 01, 2016 at 04:42 PM
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While no one asked for my opinion, here it is anyway.

Obviously a great image, the over processing I think is legit as seen on my SOOB (straight out of box) 5k Imac. I can "almost" see halos around the rocks. And the pink is a little unnatural looking to me.

None the less, as ALWAYS, your images are top notch - everyone knows that who has seen any of your photos.



May 01, 2016 at 05:04 PM
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johnmatrix84 wrote:
I love the color in the sky and the composition as well. It's a great image. I do feel the sky could be brightened or foreground darkened a bit as it feels like they are too close in brightness levels.


Hey, thank you for the feedback. I'll try that when I get back to home base. Thank you for the compliment.



savingspaces wrote:
While no one asked for my opinion, here it is anyway.

Obviously a great image, the over processing I think is legit as seen on my SOOB (straight out of box) 5k Imac. I can "almost" see halos around the rocks. And the pink is a little unnatural looking to me.

None the less, as ALWAYS, your images are top notch - everyone knows that who has seen any of your photos.


Thanks bro. That could very well be true. Just curious, what CD (Brightness) are you calibrated to? Sometimes when the monitors are brighter than 130 CD they get more saturated looking... I sharpened this on a pathetic rez Macbook Pro (you can not judge real/careful sharpness on). So my guess is that I may have hit it too hard with sharpening. I'll do a critical look on it when I get back to base for a few days... 5K may bring up a whole other can of worms...

Thank you for the compliment. Really appreciate it!


psharvic wrote:
I like it, Mark. Looking forward to seeing what your travels produce.


Thank you very much. Much obliged. Have fun out there!



MJKoski wrote:
Yeah. These pinkies are rare and here in Finland they mostly occur during a rainstorm passing by with the sunset afterglow. Thanks for showing this. It made me dream of such place.


Thank you from overseas! I hope you get the awesome privilege of getting to the great SW (if you haven't already...) to see it on your own trip. During Monsoon season (Late July through Oct even) occasionally the sky does colors that if you rendered them correctly, some people may certainly cry foul! Some of the craziest light I have ever witnessed in my life down there. Best to you and your own adventures.



May 01, 2016 at 05:25 PM
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Hey Mark,
This is gorgeous! Strong comp, great color tonalities and lighting. I'm really like your processing style but for my personal taste the saturation specifically in the sky comes across a bit too strong.



May 01, 2016 at 07:50 PM
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Mark, excellent photograph, by the way. Both in the initial composition and the post processing execution.

As an old fart raised on film and wet darkrooms, I may well not have gone this far with the image had I the opportunity. But, I like seeing what you, the Ryan Dyars and Marc Adumus' are doing. Given the flexibility and range of digital versus what we had with film and wet darkrooms, it is good some are willing to explore how far they can push the processes and still bring home an image which resonates for people, especially for people who have been in similar places and situations and have seen the possibilities, and who are constantly exposed to the images we are now seeing day in, day out on TV and movies.

With film, doing something like this was simply not possible, or if possible, not practical given time and financial constraints. Multiple exposures, through registered masks, an hour to see the result of an action at the cost of many dollars when you weren't making many, made doing something like this nearly impossible and impractical. And then, after a couple of days of work, if you did finally get it right, try replicate it.

Now people, who have excellent Photoshop skills, can fulfill their vision more readily. Good. Let them go for it. If it does not appeal to you, fine. There is a lot of room in photography to make your own way. If you wish to comment, it is helpful to explain why something does not work for you. Maybe both you and the original artist will learn something from the dialogue. An old fart like me, I'll just muddle along learning from what they are doing and, hopefully, improving my own vision and photographs and maybe joining the 20th century before it comes to an end. Uhhh. What. Wait. Huhh?

And to Jim Fox, if I seemed a bit harsh, I meant to be, but just a bit. It was not out of animosity. I want to see where highly competent people are trying to go with photography. Mark Metternich is one of those people. I want him to continue posting, and the same with Ryan Dyar and Marc Adamus. Now, what you did with your current Second Beach photo is more in my style. And having spent time at Second Beach back in the days of film, no time and no money, I very much appreciate the image and know you had to be cooking it a bit, too. And you cooked it very well. Thanks for presenting it, as with Mark and his photograph. I learn from both.










May 01, 2016 at 10:00 PM
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I love this shot. I am curious to know how your shot had you on top of the cliffs too.

You seem to have a very busy year coming up. Looking forward to seeing more gorgeous shots from you.



May 01, 2016 at 10:00 PM
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I think some of you may be a bit too uptight about things. Chill out, relax and enjoy the beautiful image. I personally love a bit of the back story, EXIF, and any other interesting information. As far as this image, I think just a (very) slight reduction in overall saturation and it is near perfect to my eye. Thanks for sharing Mark!


May 01, 2016 at 10:52 PM
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Simply stunning image on my calibrated NEC MultiSync LCD 2690WUXi.


May 01, 2016 at 11:23 PM
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juststeve wrote:
Mark, excellent photograph, by the way. Both in the initial composition and the post processing execution.

As an old fart raised on film and wet darkrooms, I may well not have gone this far with the image had I the opportunity. But, I like seeing what you, the Ryan Dyars and Marc Adumus' are doing. Given the flexibility and range of digital versus what we had with film and wet darkrooms, it is good some are willing to explore how far they can push the processes and still bring home an image which resonates for people, especially for people who have
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Nothing wrong with presenting the photo...that is what this forum is all about. Let the image speak for itself. Don't need the story...especially if it has not much to do with the image. Maybe a link to a blog is more appropriate if people want to hear a story. Otherwise we'll start getting blogs on this forum which would be totally out of line.

It's an landscape image presentation forum...not a personal blog.

That's my 2 cents worth on this subject.



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