Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
p.1 #1Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
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The initial tests will be against the M-mount to see if there are any optical improvements at infinity.
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CV 15/4.5III E-mount (left), CV 15/4.5III M-mount with CV adapter (Middle), Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZE with adapter (Right)
Apr 21, 2016 at 06:02 PM
p.1 #2Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Can't wait.
-Tim
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just received the new Voigtlander 15/4.5 III E-mount and will be comparing to the M-mount and the Distagon ZE 15/2.8 Distagon.
The initial tests will be against the M-mount to see if there are any improvements at extreme edges area at infinity. I'm preparing the crops right now. Stay tuned!
Apr 21, 2016 at 06:05 PM
p.1 #3Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Why did my wallet just explode. Lol
Apr 21, 2016 at 06:15 PM
p.1 #4Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
I just received the new Voigtlander 15/4.5 III E-mount and will be comparing to the M-mount and the Distagon ZE 15/2.8 Distagon.
The initial tests will be against the M-mount to see if there are any improvements at extreme edges area at infinity. I'm preparing the crops right now. Stay tuned!
Looking forward to this! I've been wanting a smaller/compact 14/15mm for backpacking, this little guy is half the weight of the Rokinon. Hoping the corners (and coma) is on par.
I just received the new Voigtlander 15/4.5 III E-mount and will be comparing to the M-mount and the Distagon ZE 15/2.8 Distagon.
The initial tests will be against the M-mount to see if there are any improvements at extreme edges area at infinity. I'm preparing the crops right now. Stay tuned!
Looking forward to this! I've been wanting a smaller/compact 14/15mm for backpacking, this little guy is half the weight of the Rokinon. Hoping the corners (and coma) is on par.
Apr 21, 2016 at 06:44 PM
p.1 #5Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
i'm even more anxious to receive mine from cameraquest now that you started this thread. gah!
Apr 21, 2016 at 06:57 PM
p.1 #6Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Can't wait for your findings, I'm especially interested on how it compares to the Zeiss Distagon.
Apr 21, 2016 at 07:15 PM
p.1 #7Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
I just checked the test images and...I have good and bad news.
Here are my initial impressions:
* The new 15/4.5III E-mount looks and acts like a native lens. For those who already own a Loxia lens, communication with the camera is very similar. Instant magnification when rotating the focusing ring, correct FL for IBIS, corrections in-camera (CA, Vignetting, Distortion), etc..
* It's still very compact. It weights about the same as the M-mount version with the Voigtlander E-mount adapter. The hood is a little shorter than the original M-mount hood.
* Aperture ring can be declicked but it's easier than what Zeiss did with the Loxia line. Just lift the declicking ring and rotate it clockwise. The aperture is now declicked. Genius.
* There is no difference in vignetting, resolution, contrast and distortion. It's basically the exact same optics with the E-mount.
* LaCA is still present towards the corners. It's apparent at f/4.5 and does not get better when stopping down the aperture. Can be automatically removed in-camera or with Lightroom's custom profile for this lens.
* Vignetting is on the high side at f/4.5 and does improve much when stopping down the aperture. It can reduced in-camera or using the Lightroom's profile.
* The E-mount version has its focusing ring much closer to the mount. On the A7RII, this is actually not ideal ergonomics. It's somewhat awkward to turn the focusing ring due to the A7RII's grip deeper grip. My left finger does not have enough clearance to fully turn. (It keeps rubbing against my right fingers on the grip)
Since there is absolutely no optical difference between the E-mount and M-mount versions, I decided to skip posting side-by-side crops (they look identical) and instead focus on comparing the E-mount the SLR adapted Distagon 15/2.8 ZE.
Some of you may be disappointed with the below 'extreme edge' crop but keep in mind that very few ultra wides perform well in this area. Outside from the 10% of the frame edge, the Voigtlander improves astronomically. Extreme edges are also overrated and may not show up in your images most of the time.
UPDATE: Ignore the extreme crops. My E-mount is not a good copy. Read this:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1425842/9#13531068
Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
All images taken at f/8
Sharpening and WB (daylight) the same for all comparisons.
No other exposure changes or profiles applied
CENTER: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
MID-FIELD: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
CORNER: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
EXTREME CORNERS: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
Here are my initial impressions:
* The new 15/4.5III E-mount looks and acts like a native lens. For those who already own a Loxia lens, communication with the camera is very similar. Instant magnification when rotating the focusing ring, correct FL for IBIS, corrections in-camera (CA, Vignetting, Distortion), etc..
* It's still very compact. It weights about the same as the M-mount version with the Voigtlander E-mount adapter. The hood is a little shorter than the original M-mount hood.
* Aperture ring can be declicked but it's easier than what Zeiss did with the Loxia line. Just lift the declicking ring and rotate it clockwise. The aperture is now declicked. Genius.
* There is no difference in vignetting, resolution, contrast and distortion. It's basically the exact same optics with the E-mount.
* LaCA is still present towards the corners. It's apparent at f/4.5 and does not get better when stopping down the aperture. Can be automatically removed in-camera or with Lightroom's custom profile for this lens.
* Vignetting is on the high side at f/4.5 and does improve much when stopping down the aperture. It can reduced in-camera or using the Lightroom's profile.
* The E-mount version has its focusing ring much closer to the mount. On the A7RII, this is actually not ideal ergonomics. It's somewhat awkward to turn the focusing ring due to the A7RII's grip deeper grip. My left finger does not have enough clearance to fully turn. (It keeps rubbing against my right fingers on the grip)
Since there is absolutely no optical difference between the E-mount and M-mount versions, I decided to skip posting side-by-side crops (they look identical) and instead focus on comparing the E-mount the SLR adapted Distagon 15/2.8 ZE.
Some of you may be disappointed with the below 'extreme edge' crop but keep in mind that very few ultra wides perform well in this area. Outside from the 10% of the frame edge, the Voigtlander improves astronomically. Extreme edges are also overrated and may not show up in your images most of the time.
UPDATE: Ignore the extreme crops. My E-mount is not a good copy. Read this:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1425842/9#13531068
Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
All images taken at f/8
Sharpening and WB (daylight) the same for all comparisons.
No other exposure changes or profiles applied
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CENTER: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
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MID-FIELD: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
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CORNER: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
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EXTREME CORNERS: Voigtlander (top) versus Distagon (bottom)
Apr 21, 2016 at 07:56 PM
p.1 #8Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
So how do the near corners look when not at infinity (is some of this field curvature or is it consistently like this?)
-Tim
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:05 PM
p.1 #9Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Well that's interesting but I was kind of expecting it to be the same. See no reason to to sell my choppy copy now. Dremel back in retirement. Lol
I actually think I have a better copy than this. May have to go do a infinity check
I actually think I have a better copy than this. May have to go do a infinity check
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:11 PM
p.1 #10Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Thanks Fred. Well, I had planned to keep the ZE 15 anyway. But I will take the CV when I'm trying to go light and don't need the big guns.
-Tim
Edited on Apr 21, 2016 at 08:14 PM · View previous versions
-Tim
Edited on Apr 21, 2016 at 08:14 PM · View previous versions
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:11 PM
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p.1 #11Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Yes thanks Fred. You know you may have actually saved me some money. Lol
Honestly I was not in a big hurry to replace mine.
Honestly I was not in a big hurry to replace mine.
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:13 PM
p.1 #12Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
thanks! with the great reviews of the M mount, i'm glad to see that the E mount has only improved and not digressed. I'm pretty sure I can live with the extreme corners being what they are, cause who puts the important part of their photo in an extreme corner?
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:17 PM
p.1 #13Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Well most times its sky anyway and bottom end is usually a couple feet away . If anything on such a wide boarders would be important. It's flat field so that does help
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:20 PM
p.1 #14Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
The one thing is no adapter to deal with , you get the Exif , you get in camera control, IBIS so there are some pluses for sure.
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:25 PM
p.1 #15Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
I wonder if you crop 10% off all around, what angle of view will you get? 17mm?
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:37 PM
p.1 #16Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
I wonder how the Rokinon/SY 14mm (don't they make an e-mount version?) compares with this.
Is the main appeal with the Voigtlander it's diminutive size?
Is the main appeal with the Voigtlander it's diminutive size?
Apr 21, 2016 at 08:47 PM
p.1 #17Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Fred Miranda wrote:
Aside from the very edges, here is the 'Corner' area.
Look how well it compares to the Distagon 15/2.8 now. Here is where the the CV 15 starts to shine.
Voigtlander (top), Distagon (bottom)
Corner area. (f/8)
Still think I'd take the Distagon: I'll bet after CA correction it'd look a fair bit nicer than the VM (but bulk and money, I know...)
Aside from the very edges, here is the 'Corner' area.
Look how well it compares to the Distagon 15/2.8 now. Here is where the the CV 15 starts to shine.
Voigtlander (top), Distagon (bottom)
Corner area. (f/8)
Still think I'd take the Distagon: I'll bet after CA correction it'd look a fair bit nicer than the VM (but bulk and money, I know...)
Apr 21, 2016 at 09:06 PM
p.1 #18Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Well that seems a bit disappointing. Might keep my 16-35 IS after all.
Apr 21, 2016 at 09:41 PM
p.1 #19Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
DavidBM wrote:
Look how well it compares to the Distagon 15/2.8 now. Here is where the the CV 15 starts to shine.
Voigtlander (top), Distagon (bottom)
Corner area. (f/8)Still think I'd take the Distagon: I'll bet after CA correction it'd look a fair bit nicer than the VM (but bulk and money, I know...)
Yes, me too.
But...the Distagon is huge. See this companion.
CV 15/4.5III E-mount (left), CV 15/4.5III M-mount with CV adapter (Middle), Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZE with adapter (Right)
Fred Miranda wrote
Aside from the very edges, here is the 'Corner' area.Look how well it compares to the Distagon 15/2.8 now. Here is where the the CV 15 starts to shine.
Voigtlander (top), Distagon (bottom)
Corner area. (f/8)
Yes, me too.
But...the Distagon is huge. See this companion.
CV 15/4.5III E-mount (left), CV 15/4.5III M-mount with CV adapter (Middle), Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZE with adapter (Right)
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Apr 21, 2016 at 09:44 PM
p.1 #20Official: Voigtlander 15mm f/4.5 III E-mount
Can we see some shots with the focus set for the borders/corners?
Apr 21, 2016 at 10:16 PM