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Archive 2016 · Field curvature

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Field curvature


I am a little confused about the mentioned "field curvature".
Fred talked about the C/Y 35-70 3.4 and also mentioned the Loxia 21.
What I do not understand:
Is this field curvature soo big that you will see it on the Loxia 21 pictures even if you work with f11?
Isnīt the depth of field so big that it will cure this?
Fred, could You explain how You reduce this effect with the co called careful focussing
Thanks,
Wolfram



Apr 21, 2016 at 01:54 AM
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p.1 #2 · Field curvature


As I understand it, field curvature is what you want in a slide projector, in case the slides a slightly buckled.

Flat field is where the focal plane and a flat subject are parallel as when copying documents, stamps, etc., and the focus is the same edge to edge.

I hope this helps.

Harold



Apr 21, 2016 at 07:52 AM
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p.1 #3 · Field curvature


There are many views on the effects, uses (it can be used to good effect in some cases) and degree of impact of FC on our images. I'll post you some full links, and if you want to have a chat about it after this reading (all pretty light and very informative) many people here can assist.

We are now moving into an era where even once overlooked effects can be examined closely and linked back to lens design choices. Perhaps the worst thing about FC is you generally don't know what is going on, because it varies by aperture and direction of measurement (sagittal and tangential and all points in between), and the impacts vary widely by subject matter.

It is often confused with focus error in fast lenses. It plays havoc with DOF estimates as the DOF for any CoC tracks faithfully around the actual curved field, with nary a regard for your carefully formulated DOF calcs. Stopping down often makes the problem worse, especially if you believed doing so would help 'cover' FC - because your cover at say f5.6-f8 may only get the edge of the DOF 'envelope', not the full monty you get in the center (on axis)!

If the FC stayed the same, that is. It very often will not. FC shows up very well in MTF charts but these are usually reported at infinity only, and the variation in performance from say near MFD to infinity is often very large - we see this now Zeiss reports some high end lenses for both focus distances. cheers.

http://tashley1.zenfolio.com/blog/2013/5/field-curvature---a-practical-guide

http://phototechmag.com/field-curvature/

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/09/field-curvature-and-stopping-down/

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2014/09/just-the-lenses-canon-and-nikon-mount-85mm-f1-4-and-1-2-primes/



Apr 21, 2016 at 05:09 PM
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p.1 #4 · Field curvature


Field curvature is also closely related to astigmatism. As usual toothwalker has and excellent explanation:

http://toothwalker.org/optics/astigmatism.html



Apr 21, 2016 at 05:28 PM
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p.1 #5 · Field curvature


Some commentary on field curvature and astigmatism from a Leica lens catalog circa 1983:

"Basically, MTF measurements are always comparable with pictures of test charts. It is therefore not surprising that LEICA lenses usually show much better practical results than test photographs or MTF measurements would suggest. This at first glance paradoxical statement can be explained by the Leitz approach to correction:

Many lens manufacturers endeavor to keep astigmatism and curvature of field at a minimum. This must often be bought with the loss of maximum possible contrast, although it is the contrast performance of a lens that decides the visual impression of sharpness in the picture. Leitz are therefore less keen on a flat image field and minimum possible astigmatism, if this is at the expense of contrast performance. Particularly good examples of this are the 400 and 560mm TELYT-R f/6.8 follow-focus lenses. In both lenses, resolving power and colour correction are outstanding owing to the use of special glasses developed by Leitz. It is a well-known fact that achromats at full aperture suffer from slight curvature of field. As a result, sharpness in the marginal zones is shifted towards objects at a slightly shorter distance. In practice, this is usually considered a positive feature by photographers, because it normally affects the reproduction of the foreground. And a minor (apparent) gain in sharpness in the near foreground is almost always felt to be pleasant from a pictorial point of view. For plane objects, such as walls of houses, focusing should be a compromise, i.e. it should be a little outside the center of the picture, and the lens should accordingly be stopped down sufficiently if optimum sharpness is also required in the marginal portions. If this characteristic of the lenses is not allowed for during the test, the test result must be completely negative and would be in gross contradiction to the judgement of many sports photographers.

A similar discrepancy between test result and practical result can also occur in the testing of wide-angle lenses. Many of these have a floating element, which according to the claims of the publicity departments is often synonymous for outstanding optical performance in the near-focusing range. This may be, but is not necessarily the case. Here is the explanation.

As a rule, 35mm camera lenses reach their optimum optical performance when focused on infinity, which corresponds roughly to 50-100x the focal length of the lens. Within the nearer range, image quality decreases unavoidably. This falling-off of performance is usually unnoticeable in practice. But with some lenses, for example very wide-angle high-speed lenses, an appreciable worsening of image quality can occur. One of the methods of correction is changing the distance between individual elements or components within a lens. This floating element is moved backwards or forwards corresponding to its optical effect, and is coupled with the focusing mechanism of the lens. Investigations at Leitz have shown that a floating element clearly improves the image quality in the focusing plane. When test charts are photographed, lenses with a floating element will, therefore, always produce good results. Unfortunately, the good image quality is achieved only in the focusing plane. The space in front and behind, the depth of field, does not equally profit from it. When the foreground of the subject is focused on, more distant objects in the corners of the picture will appear unsharp, although according to the tables and scales, the depth of field would be deep enough to include these features in the zone of sharpness. This effect is enormously disturbing in pictorial photography, because it confines three-dimensional subjects by the exclusion of plane areas. Leitz, therefore, checks with every wide-angle lens for the LEICA whether or not a floating element offers advantages to photographic practice, whether it can be dispensed with, or if it makes sense to build a more complicated lens. Guided by these practical considerations, Leitz have not yet decided on the indiscriminate installation of floating elements in all wide-angle lenses – even if this has a negative effect on the measuring curves during testing.

We repeat: Leitz obviously endeavour to compute lenses that produce a completely flat field. Even so, the practical requirements are never neglected. And if a compromise has to be found, which is often necessary, it will only be in favour of applied, i.e. practical, photography.

It should always be borne in mind that in photographic practice, i.e. in the photography of subjects staggered in depth, there is not one, but an infinite number of subject planes. If you focus on a certain subject plane, there will others in front and behind it, which fully benefit from the higher contrast of the Leitz lenses, bought at the expense of some curvature of field. The result is an excellent picture.

For test chart pictures of MTF measurements, on the other hand, there is only one subject and, therefore, only one image plane. Here, curvature of field and astigmatism are disturbing features. Which means that when Leitz lenses are tested with the aid of test charts and MTF measurements, the effect on the result will be negative.

But the typical and, above all practical, lens characteristics are never appreciated in the published measurements, and are, therefore, neglected in the judgement of a lens. If you do not know this characteristic feature, you cannot help but get the wrong impression."



Apr 21, 2016 at 10:26 PM





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