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GMPhotography wrote:
See comments like yours really make me feel like mine is a train going by with noise.


Could just be that I had such a low expectation of it that it feels like mine is so very quiet? Maybe.... But I don't think that's the case. The motor sounds super smooth. No scratching or grinding sound at all. It's not actually quiet (yes, I did say quiet earlier haha), but it's not loud either at all. I followed your steps to switch to MF, etc to test, and when doing it that way, yes I'd say it's fine. No complaints from me.

BTW, just finished updating my firmware. Beautiful!!! The breathing is gone. In my super dimly lit office the focus locks in so fast, I'm quite amazed. I'm loving this piece of glass very much. My beloved Canon "The Keg" 85mm 1.2L II will soon go on the chopping block.



Apr 12, 2016 at 11:19 PM
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p.18 #2 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


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Could just be that I had such a low expectation of it that it feels like mine is so very quiet? Maybe.... But I don't think that's the case. The motor sounds super smooth. No scratching or grinding sound at all. It's not actually quiet (yes, I did say quiet earlier haha), but it's not loud either at all. I followed your steps to switch to MF, etc to test, and when doing it that way, yes I'd say it's fine. No complaints from me.

BTW, just finished updating my firmware. Beautiful!!! The breathing is gone. In my super dimly
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Wow that sounds really good. Wish you where down here in Phoenix like to see that. Actually I had a job up there for this week but got cancelled, now I'm really bummed. Lol

Glad the firmware straightened that out



Apr 12, 2016 at 11:27 PM
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p.18 #3 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


PikkerTaker wrote:
Could just be that I had such a low expectation of it that it feels like mine is so very quiet? Maybe.... But I don't think that's the case. The motor sounds super smooth. No scratching or grinding sound at all. It's not actually quiet (yes, I did say quiet earlier haha), but it's not loud either at all. I followed your steps to switch to MF, etc to test, and when doing it that way, yes I'd say it's fine. No complaints from me.

BTW, just finished updating my firmware. Beautiful!!! The breathing is gone. In my super dimly
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Yes, without the firmware update the lens was having a hard time in AF-C. That was the first thing I noticed when I got the lens but the firmware fixed it.
The way you described the 'AF noise' is exactly how I see it. It's there but it's not even annoying. It's loud but smooth.



Apr 12, 2016 at 11:45 PM
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p.18 #4 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


Guy, Vegas is only a short drive away... We can have a lens off or something like that

Fred, yes thanks to Guy's suggestion, AF is now flawlessly performing after the firmware update. The "AF noise" is an appropriate term. It does make a noise, but it's not annoying at all... in my case anyway. Sorry, Guy!



Apr 13, 2016 at 12:13 AM
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No thanks for your report it helps me try to make a decision. Mine is beyond normal and I'm starting to get frustrated , I need a new copy Period. End of day that will be my final decision. I was going to go up North to shoot this morning but I may just see if Tempe Camera has one. I'm not a patient man when it comes to this stuff. But I don't want to go on about it either, so I will step out on this subject for now until I get answers. Thanks again


Apr 13, 2016 at 06:48 AM
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p.18 #6 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


Sorry to interrupt the noise issue discussion again but on the glass cover I wonder if I'm correct in assuming that adapting longer Canon glass - maybe 85 and up will likely take far less of an edge to edge pixel quality hit due to the glass than say the 24-70 that I just sold. So if you still want to hedge your bet a bit and perhaps wait and see what the A9 announcement brings in the fall, etc. then getting original wide Sony glass is worth it while perhaps switching all the long Canon glass may not necessarily pay big enough dividends...at least until Roger has done his thing with the new 70-200 and all the lines are floating up above .9.

But I agree with what folks said, let's be optimistic that Sony sees the bigger picture and has a reason for that cover glass.



Apr 13, 2016 at 07:48 AM
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i think their has to be reason for it. I thought maybe it had something to with their A mount lenses and the adapters they made for the FE mount but that was just a assumption on my part.


Apr 13, 2016 at 07:59 AM
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Handels wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the noise issue discussion again but on the glass cover I wonder if I'm correct in assuming that adapting longer Canon glass - maybe 85 and up will likely take far less of an edge to edge pixel quality hit due to the glass than say the 24-70 that I just sold. So if you still want to hedge your bet a bit and perhaps wait and see what the A9 announcement brings in the fall, etc. then getting original wide Sony glass is worth it while perhaps switching all the long Canon glass may not necessarily
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Canon and Sony cameras both have 2mm thick sensor glass.



Apr 13, 2016 at 08:31 AM
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Apr 13, 2016 at 09:07 AM
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p.18 #10 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


Lol I'm out in the road shooting for fun


Apr 13, 2016 at 09:10 AM
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Hi guys,
thanks for all the useful info, got a second copy
you can check my full write up here
http://www.mikekobal.com/sony-gm85mm-12copy-af-speed-compared-bokeh/
having a busy day, here it is..in a nutshell....
I want to share a few impressions I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere else last time I checked:
1) AF speed is noticeably faster, I repeat, noticeably faster, on the A6300 then on my A7rII (latest firmware installed).
I have a busy work week and can’t do a video to demonstrate, however, I don’t see such a drastic difference in AF speed with any of my other lenses. In fact, I don’t notice a difference at all.
2) MF focusing is a joy, except for lacking hard stops at the close and infinity mark, it truly mi-micks the feel of a quality mechanical lens and I wouldn’t hesitate shooting video in mf with this lens.
3) AF in video mode works exceptionally well, smooth and slow and near silent.
4) AF acquisition in challenging low light is much better then on the Batis 85mm. I had two Batis copies, although they focused a little faster in good light, both copies couldn’t nail focus on the images below (focus point, green square). No problems with the GM85 and FE55.5)focus accuracy spot on and I don’t plan to shoot this lens at smaller the f1.6 I will mostly use it wide open, despite having to correct purple/green frindging in post.
6)Aperture click/declick option. I wish there was a hard lock for the aperture, the clicks are rather soft and one could easily change the aperture on accident.
7)The rubber gasket around the mount is a joke, mine doesn’t even touch the body, too thin, the Batis has a substantial gasket you feel the resistance when attaching the lens.
8)soft, flexible lens hood, I find this to be a smart move in case you drop your lens and are lucky enough it lands on the lens hood, you’ve got a cushy suspension and this will most likely save your lens.
9)Compare the bokeh on the focus test shot, the 55mm on the A6300 yields a 82.5mm, bokeh characteristics similar to the Batis, although the Batis produces clearly softer bokeh, the GM85 takes it a huge step further.
10)AF speed compared to the competition: I had to pick up a few supplies at BH and they happened to have the Nikkor 85mm 1.4G, mounted on a Nikon D4s, they also had the Canon 5DS with the 85mm 1.2 L on display:
The GM85mm focuses noticeably faster then the Canon 85mm 1.2
No clear winner between the Nikkor 85mm 1.4 G and the GM85.It appears to be a tie, I might give the Nikon the edge by a small margin. The Nikon lens is also noticeably lighter and almost silent compared to the GM85.



Apr 13, 2016 at 09:44 AM
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p.18 #12 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


mike kobal wrote:
Hi guys,
thanks for all the useful info, got a second copy
you can check my full write up here
http://www.mikekobal.com/sony-gm85mm-12copy-af-speed-compared-bokeh/


fantastic write up - much value added, thanks!
btw - when you talk about a "warm van" and the lube possibly getting onto elements - how warm are you talking about? would leaving the lens in a hot car in the summer do the same thing?



Apr 13, 2016 at 09:59 AM
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p.18 #13 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


Great to hear. I'm out here waking up rattlesnakes.


Apr 13, 2016 at 10:33 AM
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p.18 #14 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


GMPhotography wrote:
Great to hear. I'm out here waking up rattlesnakes.


Don't be surprised if another 85-GM is showing up instead of a rattling snake...



Apr 13, 2016 at 10:36 AM
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p.18 #15 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


ecarlino wrote:
fantastic write up - much value added, thanks!
btw - when you talk about a "warm van" and the lube possibly getting onto elements - how warm are you talking about? would leaving the lens in a hot car in the summer do the same thing?


Thanks! Well, not boiling hot, a usual catalog shoot goes all day, we would be standing around cameras hanging from the shoulders, 10min of direct sun in the summer can heat up your lens, I consider this unavoidable, or leaving part of the gear in a parked car in the shade, however, mid summer temp will still heat it up...
I am really torn, love the lens, its actually a two in one, I see it kinda as my zeiss 135mm 1.8 replacement on the A6300 but frankly, 1800bucks for a lens that might need repair/cleaning after a couple of month, ...might just return it and wait, there is a LOT of lube in my copy



Apr 13, 2016 at 11:29 AM
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p.18 #16 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


since this is a new topic (and thankfully unrelated to 'noise') - can you answer a few Qs on this lube --

do we actually know what type it is?
if we do, is this type used in other lenses? frequently or rarely?
is there a different type that is better suited for use in lenses?

thanks.



Apr 13, 2016 at 11:32 AM
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p.18 #17 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


Here's what I've finally decided about the GM. I don't think noise/grinding is an issue. But I do think anyone with the GM will have in the back of their minds whether the lube will loosen up and somehow migrate onto the glass. That one should even have to worry about migrating lube in a $2K lens is sad, and even if I was inclined to get the GM over the Batis, I would patiently wait for Sony to address the situation with a second manufacturing run before buying the GM.


Apr 13, 2016 at 11:44 AM
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brick33308 wrote:
Here's what I've finally decided about the GM. I don't think noise/grinding is an issue. But I do think anyone with the GM will have in the back of their minds whether the lube will loosen up and somehow migrate onto the glass. That one should even have to worry about migrating lube in a $2K lens is sad, and even if I was inclined to get the GM over the Batis, I would patiently wait for Sony to address the situation with a second manufacturing run before buying the GM.


ecarlino wrote:
since this is a new topic (and thankfully unrelated to 'noise') - can you answer a few Qs on this lube --

do we actually know what type it is?
if we do, is this type used in other lenses? frequently or rarely?
is there a different type that is better suited for use in lenses?

thanks.


I didn't open the lens, to me it looks like lithium grease, I might be totally wrong, whatever kind of grease they used, it is bound to change its viscosity when warmed up and the chances that it will get onto the elements is ....highly probably..a shame really because the lens is fantastic



Apr 13, 2016 at 11:53 AM
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p.18 #19 · Sony 85mm 1.4 GM testing thread


mike kobal wrote:
I didn't open the lens, to me it looks like lithium grease, I might be totally wrong, whatever kind of grease they used, it is bound to change its viscosity when warmed up and the chances that it will get onto the elements is ....highly probably..a shame really because the lens is fantastic


just to keep it in perspective, aren't all lenses lubricated? so how would this be different than any other lens (other than we're already seeing it, as if it was a sloppy job in the factory)? not trying to be difficult, actually this is more concerning to me than the noise ever was - but before i let my imagination wander, i'm just trying to determine if this is an unusual situation or something that could affect all lenses.



Apr 13, 2016 at 11:57 AM
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ecarlino wrote:
just to keep it in perspective, aren't all lenses lubricated? so how would this be different than any other lens (other than we're already seeing it, as if it was a sloppy job in the factory)? not trying to be difficult, actually this is more concerning to me than the noise ever was - but before i let my imagination wander, i'm just trying to determine if this is an unusual situation or something that could affect all lenses.


Yes they are, and another issue we often deal with in cold climates (me, Alaska for 17 years) is certain lubes actually stiffening during freezing conditions. The old XPAN I used to run up there would become almost unusable under certain conditions. Things to consider are many........



Apr 13, 2016 at 12:24 PM
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