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p.1 #1 · Canon 1DX2 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs


The 1DX2 at ISO 100 improves by 1.5 EV the 1DX dynamic range. It beats the 5DS by about 1 EV. It also beats by about 0.33 EV the 80D. However, at high ISO it merely manages to catch the old 1DX, and at the highest ISO levels it falls behind by about 0.3-0.5 EV, due to higher read noise.

Interestingly, the 1DX2 still shows a noticeable DR drop at low ISO (much more marked than the 80D) but not so bad compared to the old sensor tech. Between ISO 800 and ISO 100, the 80D dynamic range increases 2.13 EV, while the 1DX2 only goes up by 0.97 EV.

https://lightful.github.io/talk/photo/sensor/1DX2_1DX_80D_7D2__DR.png

In summary, those shooting the 1DX mainly at ISO 3200 or above, shouldn't immediately sell it: at high ISO, the 1DX2 has a bit more noise (more read noise, exactly the same photon noise -physics laws- and likely the same thermal noise due to the short exposures). But shooting RAW at low ISO the story is very different, and there is a very noticeable improvement in the shadows recovery ability. Nevertheless, high ISO noise "quality" may also have improved (was already good) and JPEG quality could be better thanks to the new processor, so your mileage may vary (not to mention the other camera features besides the sensor). After looking at the 80D data, I must confess that personally was expecting better results in the 1DX2, but that doesn't means that these are not great.

Both the data bellow and the chart above are fully consistent and comparable (all the represented cameras are analyzed exactly the same way); in fact, the 7D2 chart changes slightly compared to the one published in the 80D analysis because I have calculated all the plotted ISO levels instead of interpolating the missing ones. Note in the 1DX2 chart the singularity at ISO 400. It seems a real characteristic, because two different shots (taken with 6 hours of difference, one properly exposed and the other severely underexposed) corroborate exactly the same result. As with ISO 400, for some other ISO levels (3200, 25600, 51200) I had several pictures, and all were analyzed to get more confidence in the results.

Note: all the RAWs (except for the 1DX2) come from Imaging Resource ISO series (the 1DX2 have been received from another source which I won't disclose; please do not ask me for these RAWs).

ISO 100
1DX2 - DR 13.55 at 8MP (12.89 at 20MP), read noise 2.0845 DN
1DX - DR 12.01 at 8MP (11.42 at 18MP), read noise 5.19861 DN

ISO 200
1DX2 - DR 13.40 at 8MP (12.74 at 20MP), read noise 2.31997 DN
1DX - DR 12.07 at 8MP (11.49 at 18MP), read noise 4.98757 DN

ISO 400 (2 samples)
1DX2 - DR 12.81745 at 8MP (12.15645 at 20MP), read noise 3.14005 DN
1DX2 - DR 12.83568 at 8MP (12.17468 at 20MP), read noise 3.10066 DN
1DX - DR 12.02080 at 8MP (11.43580 at 18MP), read noise 5.17441 DN

ISO 800
1DX2 - DR 12.58 at 8MP (11.92 at 20MP), read noise 3.68397 DN
1DX - DR 11.93 at 8MP (11.34 at 18MP), read noise 5.50986 DN

ISO 1600
1DX2 - DR 11.82 at 8MP (11.16 at 20MP), read noise 6.27188 DN
1DX - DR 11.71 at 8MP (11.12 at 18MP), read noise 6.41935 DN

ISO 3200 (2 samples)
1DX2 - DR 11.2831 at 8MP (10.6221 at 20MP), read noise 9.09559 DN
1DX2 - DR 11.2646 at 8MP (10.6037 at 20MP), read noise 9.21231 DN
1DX - DR 11.2559 at 8MP (10.6709 at 18MP), read noise 8.79265 DN

ISO 4000
1DX2 - DR 10.94 at 8MP (10.28 at 20MP), read noise 11.5206 DN

ISO 6400
1DX2 - DR 10.44 at 8MP (9.78 at 20MP), read noise 16.2208 DN
1DX - DR 10.50 at 8MP (9.92 at 18MP), read noise 14.8059 DN

ISO 12800
1DX2 - DR 9.48 at 8MP (8.82 at 20MP), read noise 31.7281 DN
1DX - DR 9.77 at 8MP (9.18 at 18MP), read noise 24.6235 DN

ISO 25600 (3 samples)
1DX2 - DR 8.49289 at 8MP (7.83192 at 20MP), read noise 62.9152 DN
1DX2 - DR 8.49692 at 8MP (7.83596 at 20MP), read noise 62.7387 DN
1DX2 - DR 8.49736 at 8MP (7.83639 at 20MP), read noise 62.7207 DN
1DX - DR 8.79292 at 8MP (8.20796 at 18MP), read noise 48.4779 DN

ISO 51200 (3 samples)
1DX2 - DR 7.52679 at 8MP (6.86583 at 20MP), read noise 122.895 DN
1DX2 - DR 7.53064 at 8MP (6.86967 at 20MP), read noise 122.570 DN
1DX2 - DR 7.52280 at 8MP (6.86184 at 20MP), read noise 123.234 DN
1DX - DR 8.05955 at 8MP (7.47459 at 18MP), read noise 80.6098 DN

This data is very similar to the DXO estimation, but not totally comparable. For example, DXO reports 8.08 EV at ISO 25600 for the 1DX, while the value here is 8.79 EV (this is a extreme case, note that usually the offset is a lot smaller). Here we use the DXO definition of DR, but calculate it directly against the noise floor "fingerprint" recorded by the own sensor (instead of plotting several SNR curves to infere it). So I have more confidence on these results (however, DXO calculates a lot more sensor performance metrics).

The 1DX2 black levels are identical to the 80D (about 512 at ISO 100-200, and 2048 for the rest of ISO levels). Interestingly, had the ISO 400 used a 512 black level, the DR singularity in the chart would almost have dissapeared (but indeed does is 2048). I have assumed a saturation of 16383 DN for a few ISO levels not overexposed (1DX2 ISO 100 DR could be about 0.1 EV less in the worse case, but 1DX reached such white level anyway). The 1DX2 masked pixels area is not huge (72 pixels at the left and 38 at the top, exactly as it is in the 7D2) which partially breaks the recent trend of increasing it (the 1DX used 126 at the left and 100 at the top).

PS: I'm in the final stage of cleaning up the source code of the custom tool I use for the analysis (currently still requires manual editing and a compiler) and in a few days I will upload and document it on Github (also with a compiled executable) in order to allow anybody using or improving it. It has more useful features to characterize the sensor performance (which require to take special shots, though).

Edited on Apr 03, 2016 at 05:21 PM · View previous versions



Mar 27, 2016 at 06:33 AM
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p.1 #2 · Canon 1DX2 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs


Great thanks! So what about the Nikon D5, can you add it to the graph as well?



Mar 27, 2016 at 07:41 AM
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p.1 #3 · Canon 1DX2 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs


Waiting for the new standard DR test: An ISO100 shot boosted 4-5 stops in LR


Mar 27, 2016 at 07:47 AM
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Dutchphotog wrote:
Great thanks! So what about the Nikon D5, can you add it to the graph as well?


I haven't found any D5 NEF file yet (but I haven't looked for it too much). Do you know if there is any one available for download?.

I think that recent Nikons have a masked pixels area (in different placement or geometry) so they could be analyzed with the same technique using single normal shots. I have readed somewhere that now they even do not clip RAW values bellow the black point (old Nikon RAWs were difficult to process, even by taking dark frames, due to such behaviour).



Mar 27, 2016 at 08:27 AM
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I would be very interested in seeing the D5 results as well. On a thread in the Nikon forum it was speculated that Nikon optimized the high ISO performance at the expense of low ISO which matches my own priority. That would certainly add a crinkle to my buying decision if Nikon has a large gap in performance at high ISO.


Mar 27, 2016 at 12:21 PM
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Looks like the D5 will be the undisputed high ISO champion if the numbers are final production for both bodies.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Ideal%20FX,Nikon%20D5

It does look like Nikon sacrificed low ISO performance when you compare the D4s to the D5 in that chart.



Mar 27, 2016 at 12:34 PM
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Great work, thank you for sharing!

Looks like in this generation Canon and Nikon switched positions, Canon sacrificed some high ISO performance for significant bump in low ISO performance and top video, while Nikon did the opposite! D5 sacrifice video and full stop of DR at ISO 100 in comparison to D4(s) to gain 0,5 stop at high ISOs according photonstophotos.net charts....

BUT, those are numbers, lets see how the sensors perform in reality. I've found the 1DXII files well usable even at ISO25600 due to very fine noise, which is maybe more in sum than 1DX, but it doesn't show any patterns and blotching is lower too. Both those phenomenons are extremely hard to remove with denoising software, while fine, evenly distributed noise is much more denoise and video friendly...



Mar 27, 2016 at 02:48 PM
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Thanks for posting... assuming this is DXO scaled, than the new 1DXII is only about 1/3 of a stop of DR behind the A7RM2 which is pretty good and then it's pretty even at high Isos. pretty impressive from Canon.

I'm curious whether in practice DXO or the photonstophotos.net scores are more useful in practice. There seems to be a pretty big difference in scores between say the D810 between the two sites.

Chris



Mar 27, 2016 at 03:48 PM
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p.1 #9 · Canon 1DX2 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs


Can you repeat this test again on production unit 1Dx II?


Mar 27, 2016 at 05:21 PM
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JaimitoFrog wrote:
Can you repeat this test again on production unit 1Dx II?


Yes, and that will be interesting, indeed. But regarding potential differences, I'm not sure if they would be related to beta cameras or sample variation. The 1DX2 plot in the DR graph on this thread, between ISO 400 and 1600 is a bit weird for my taste.


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Mar 27, 2016 at 06:36 PM
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Using the concept of transfer standards:

1. Since the 1Dx MKII seems to be inferior to the 1Dx for Hi ISO...
2. The Nikon D4/D4s appeared as good as or even better than the 1Dx for Hi ISO.
3. The D5 is reported to be better than the D4/D4 by 1.5 Hi ISO stops.
4. Therefore it is likely the 1Dx MKII will be inferior to the D5 by approx 2 stops of Hi ISO

So Canon are emphasizing bright light max 14/16 fps performance and Nikon (12/14 fp)
are going for the very lowest light performance.



Mar 27, 2016 at 06:37 PM
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tonywong88 wrote:
Looks like the D5 will be the undisputed high ISO champion if the numbers are final production for both bodies.
http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Ideal%20FX,Nikon%20D5
It does look like Nikon sacrificed low ISO performance when you compare the D4s to the D5 in that chart.


For me the 1DX is looking better and better all the time. The gap in high ISO performance is just not there in the newer bodies. I can afford to be patient this year. I would love to see a 3rd entry into the pro body market. Sony needs a larger body for those G lenses.



Mar 27, 2016 at 06:37 PM
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SoundHound wrote:
Using the concept of transfer standards:

1. Since the 1Dx MKII seems to be inferior to the 1Dx for Hi ISO...
2. The Nikon D4/D4s appeared as good as or even better than the 1Dx for Hi ISO.
3. The D5 is reported to be better than the D4/D4 by 1.5 Hi ISO stops.
4. Therefore it is likely the 1Dx MKII will be inferior to the D5 by approx 2 stops of Hi ISO

So Canon are emphasizing bright light max 14/16 fps performance and Nikon (12/14 fp)
are going for the very lowest light performance.


If that is indeed the case, I can't understand why Canon would choose to emphasize low ISO DR in their high speed sports camera. I use my 1Dx 90% of the time between ISO 5000-16000.



Mar 27, 2016 at 06:53 PM
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Thanks. That's the same impression I had too when looking at the graph. Still looks very good improvement overall for Canon sensors, and hint at what to expect for 5D/s successor.

cgarcia wrote:
Yes, and that will be interesting, indeed. But regarding potential differences, I'm not sure if they would be related to beta cameras or sample variation. The 1DX2 plot in the DR graph on this thread, between ISO 400 and 1600 is a bit weird for my taste.




Mar 27, 2016 at 07:08 PM
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Thank you for doing this!


Mar 27, 2016 at 08:09 PM
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SoundHound wrote:
Using the concept of transfer standards:

1. Since the 1Dx MKII seems to be inferior to the 1Dx for Hi ISO...
2. The Nikon D4/D4s appeared as good as or even better than the 1Dx for Hi ISO.
3. The D5 is reported to be better than the D4/D4 by 1.5 Hi ISO stops.
4. Therefore it is likely the 1Dx MKII will be inferior to the D5 by approx 2 stops of Hi ISO



No, it is not likely. The most optimistic estimate is that D5 is 0.5 stops better than D4/D4s. Early adopters in Nikon forums are saying that JPEG is better. Moreover, some high ISO samples (ISO 12800 to 51200) are available for both D5 and 1DXII. You will find it hard to tell the difference.
Let's wait for the actual side by side comparison.




Mar 27, 2016 at 09:31 PM
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SoftImage wrote:
No, it is not likely. The most optimistic estimate is that D5 is 0.5 stops better than D4/D4s. Early adopters in Nikon forums are saying that JPEG is better. Moreover, some high ISO samples (ISO 12800 to 51200) are available for both D5 and 1DXII. You will find it hard to tell the difference.
Let's wait for the actual side by side comparison.



Agree. Looks similar to D5. http://petapixel.com/2016/03/26/full-res-nikon-d5-photos-iso-3276800/



Mar 28, 2016 at 12:15 AM
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More DR at low ISO is of course always welcome, but I find this design decision from Canon to be pretty surprising for a sports camera.

It seems that Nikon made the exact opposite decision to improve high ISO DR/noise levels at the cost of low ISO DR. I am not too happy to loose low ISO DR, but I hardly ever use my action camera below ISO800 where it seems to be a draw DRwise that I believe that Nikon took the right decision on this one.

Anyway, I'll have the chance to try out the D5 in tough conditions mid April, I'll update in the Nikon forum for those interested.

cheers,
Bernard



Mar 28, 2016 at 03:32 AM
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p.1 #19 · Canon 1DX2 dynamic range analyzed from RAWs


the 1Dx II is even at iso 6400 with the 1Dx in DR and then only .15 of a stop behind 12,000 and 25,600

it would be a huge mistake to assume that this very, very small difference would be the only factor that is going to matter for a 'better' picture - the nature of the noise, and how that can be cleaned with NR and the added pixel density are but two other facts that are going to come into play

the new camera added a huge increase of DR at low ISOs that will for outdoor sports and lower SS come into play a lot and my guess is that high ISO end pictures will still be better + more FPS = good upgrade if you are in the market



Mar 28, 2016 at 08:29 AM
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I can think of several reasons why Canon could, maybe, prefer a 1,5 or so stop improvement at ISO 100 over a 0,5 one at higher ISOs.
For example :
- If Canon had wanted to implement C-log in the 1DX II, a good base ISO DR would have been preferable. Perhaps they'll introduce it via a firmware upgrade later on (they should anyway).
- Sports photographers possibly are the 1DX's main user base, but maybe Canon's user base for the 1DX is a bit more varied than Nikon's. For example, Salgado used a 1DX on some of his Genesis trips.



Mar 28, 2016 at 08:54 AM
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