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Imagemaster wrote:
Antje wrote:
" Ahem - I have to break my promise to ignore your posts and chime in because this is too gross to pass..."
I'm so sorry, had you started the thread, I'd never have bothered to look. I'd have known what I was about to see. Do you think I enjoy reading bullshit
Apparently, and making promises, but with exceptions.?
You sound so bitter. I thought you'd enjoy a little attention. You get so little of that these days... Just trying to be helpful, you see. After all, there's a lesson to be learned here!
I should have known, you didn't get it. I was trying to explain why the statement is true that they take the highest possible quality. You can only do shots with suitable gear.
And what didn't you get about my explanation that there have been thousands of images in NG in which suitable gear could have been MF or LF?
I did get that and, in case you missed it, you were already told not only by me that a) you in particular have no way of knowing how these shots were taken and how they could have been taken, b) most of the images are of the photojournalistic kind and c) you still simply don't know the limitations of big cameras. Just read again the part about remote locations and weight, about stealth and speed, the part about setting up tripods in cities and areas of crisis, the part about long telephotos not being available for MF and LF... I wonder why you still claim that. Must have been because you still have not looked at MF and LF gear. You know what tripods are for, don't you?
Let's get that sorted out, I think you get a little confused already. You claim two things:
1) "It isn't true NG only uses the highest quality because they use 35mm film."
Wrong. Of course it's true. In theory, a LF shot of a snow fox, done with the LF equivalent to a 35mm 600mm lens, would exceed the image quality of a 35mm shot of the same kind. But it can't be done. (For more examples, look at the previous posts, the same applies.) You can't publish a shot you can't take. If you can't take a shot with MF or LF, you won't have a picture. So, the best quality photo there is for a given shot will be 35mm when the MF or LF shots could not be taken.
It's so simple! I'll put it in short sentences to make it easier. You just have to understand NG can only use pics that people were able to take. The others are not there. You can't use something that isn't there. To make an everyday example: You can't pour coffee into a non-existing coffee cup. You'll hurt yourself trying. Wanting to use something that isn't there is not exactly sane. You don't want to use things that don't exist, do you?
2) "NG uses exclusively 35mm"
Wrong. See posts above. Do a search, you'll find lots of MF and LF pics. I wonder if you can at least make out the differences between the pics... Not the quality differences of course, there aren't any in a web sized pic.
So we have two wrong statements in one sentence! I bow to you, that's hard to beat!
But man, you should know that! I thought you were an accomplished, published photog!
And where did you glean that information from? I guess the word "private" in "private message" is about as meaningful to you as the word "promise".
Being published and having been a photog for so long, that's something to be proud of! It puts you in a line with the best here! So why should I not tell? Surely you didn't lie to me only to justify a blurry mink pic. I could never believe that!
you're even wrong about your statement "If that were true, why have they exclusively used 35mm and not medium or large format?"
You are correct there, I should have said "almost exclusively".
Even that, pathetic as it is, might be wrong, especially as long as you don't have any statistics.
You get a little closer to the truth there though if you just ask why they use 35mm so often. A closer look at MF and LF cameras might still enlighten you. The hope is faint but we won't give up, will we.
Tsk. I told you before you could only benefit from an honest opinion. Why the fear?
Simple, I can't trust opinions from people who break promises and spout off about information which was given to them in private.
Don't worry, you don't have to trust my opinions, I'm not stating any. I'm stating facts. You state opinions. I know it's easy to mix that up...
Antje
Edited by Antje on Oct 20, 2004 at 08:08 AM GMT
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zz) I do have to wonder why they would use a 10D rather than a 1DmkII for example. Does the smaller size really matter that much in that case? Surely it can't be cost, as the $3k difference would pale compared to the other costs of an assignment like that... --c