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p.4 #1Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Yes, that's a heck of a difference, it makes me thing twice about doing the mod to my A7r2 with this glass, although we can see that even the "old" mod had a pretty significant influence on WB and is far from neutral.
I wonder if the corner colour caste is different (better or worse) with the new AR glass when you use one of the WA RF lenses like the 35/1.5 ZM or the 24mm Elmar. Will you have a chance to check that?
I wonder if the corner colour caste is different (better or worse) with the new AR glass when you use one of the WA RF lenses like the 35/1.5 ZM or the 24mm Elmar. Will you have a chance to check that?
Feb 01, 2016 at 01:44 PM
p.4 #2Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
mcbroomf wrote:
Yes, that's a heck of a difference, it makes me thing twice about doing the mod to my A7r2 with this glass, although we can see that even the "old" mod had a pretty significant influence on WB and is far from neutral.
I wonder if the corner colour caste is different (better or worse) with the new AR glass when you use one of the WA RF lenses like the 35/1.5 ZM or the 24mm Elmar. Will you have a chance to check that?
Hi Mike,
I will run some tests for both lenses and also try to get things taken care of for the purple cast recorded by both lenses. But, we are having overast conditions with light rain. So, those tests will have to wait for the time being.
Rich
Yes, that's a heck of a difference, it makes me thing twice about doing the mod to my A7r2 with this glass, although we can see that even the "old" mod had a pretty significant influence on WB and is far from neutral.
I wonder if the corner colour caste is different (better or worse) with the new AR glass when you use one of the WA RF lenses like the 35/1.5 ZM or the 24mm Elmar. Will you have a chance to check that?
Hi Mike,
I will run some tests for both lenses and also try to get things taken care of for the purple cast recorded by both lenses. But, we are having overast conditions with light rain. So, those tests will have to wait for the time being.
Rich
Feb 01, 2016 at 01:52 PM
p.4 #3Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Rich, very interesting findings. I have been quite busy but it seems that the WB is way off after the third version. Have you informed Ilija about this problem?
Feb 01, 2016 at 02:23 PM
p.4 #4Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
hiepphotog wrote:
Rich, very interesting findings. I have been quite busy but it seems that the WB is way off after the third version. Have you informed Ilija about this problem?
Hi HIep,
A short time ago I sent the findings of both cameras off to Ilija. I also asked him as to whether there was a custom white balance set up in my camera since when I received the camera it was set to a custom setting. But, I had set the camera back to AWB. I am waiting to hear back from Ilija.
But my observed As set LR settings when the camera was set to AWB would certainly explain my really out there results were seen for adjustment to the differenct Sony settings for Auto, Dayligh, and Shade.
Rich
Rich, very interesting findings. I have been quite busy but it seems that the WB is way off after the third version. Have you informed Ilija about this problem?
Hi HIep,
A short time ago I sent the findings of both cameras off to Ilija. I also asked him as to whether there was a custom white balance set up in my camera since when I received the camera it was set to a custom setting. But, I had set the camera back to AWB. I am waiting to hear back from Ilija.
But my observed As set LR settings when the camera was set to AWB would certainly explain my really out there results were seen for adjustment to the differenct Sony settings for Auto, Dayligh, and Shade.
Rich
Feb 01, 2016 at 02:37 PM
p.4 #5Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Ilija asked me a short time ago if I felt the color was better or worse? He again reiterated that the new glass should be closer to original glass transmission. I indicated that I was surprised by the color and tint recorded by the camera. I asked his opinion from the outpit from both cameras. I indicated that I had not had a chance to do much shooting thus far and that I had not had much chance to check on the reflection issues.
I also commented that I hope that using my X=-rite color checker and software that I hoped that I would be able to get the color better adjusted closer to the stock camera and/or whatever I wanted as a color reference.
Rich
I also commented that I hope that using my X=-rite color checker and software that I hoped that I would be able to get the color better adjusted closer to the stock camera and/or whatever I wanted as a color reference.
Rich
Feb 01, 2016 at 02:59 PM
p.4 #6Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
mcbroomf wrote:
I think that Cornerfix was a stand alone program (still available), and Adobe developed a plugin called DNG Flat field. Both require a DNG file though.
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/lightroomplugins.html
http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/lightroomplugins/lightroomplugins_dngff_docs.pdf
http://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/
Rich, does my older A7rM show the same colour caste?
Oops yes that's right. It was DNG flat field I tried for a while, not cornerfix.
I think that Cornerfix was a stand alone program (still available), and Adobe developed a plugin called DNG Flat field. Both require a DNG file though.
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/lightroomplugins.html
http://labsdownload.adobe.com/pub/labs/lightroomplugins/lightroomplugins_dngff_docs.pdf
http://sites.google.com/site/cornerfix/
Rich, does my older A7rM show the same colour caste?
Oops yes that's right. It was DNG flat field I tried for a while, not cornerfix.
Feb 01, 2016 at 03:22 PM
p.4 #7Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Here is an image taken January 30, 2016 at about 5:21 PM a little before sunset. The Image was taken with my A7rM camera with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM len. Image taken at ISO 100, lens set to f8 for 1/50 second. This is straight out of the camera as opened by LR6 relying on LR defaults Adobe Standard 2012 Profile; I believe this should be for Sony cameras. It has been reduced from RAW to JPEG file and shown it in the different color profiles for the different lighting conditions which are listed below and can be seen in the included JPEG files.
The first image is As shot by the camera set for AWB. LR shows the camera recorded this as a color Temperature of 8600 and a tint of +64.
The second image is adjusted in LR according to the Auto setting for the Profile. This shows the color Tempeartue of 7500 and a tint of +30.
The third image is adjusted in LR according to the Daylight setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 5500 and a tint of +10
The fourth image is adjusted in LR according to the Cloudy setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 6500 and a tint of +10.
The fifth image is adjusted in LR according to the Shade setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 7500 and a tint of +10.
I was trying to process this and other images from the session and found myself having real issues as I was trying to drop in a Grad filter and to make all of the adjustments for darks, shadows, lights, whites, etc.
I think that these colora are off by quite a bit But, hopefully this will give you some guide as to the problem. But, as I say, to the best of my knowledge this shoudl be using the Sony color Profiles for the Adobe Standard 2012 Profile.
Rich
As Shot and opened in LR defaults; color Temperature of 8600 and a tint of +64.
LR Auto setting; color Tempeartue of 7500 and a tint of +30.
LR Daylight setting; color Temperature of 5500 and a tint of +10
LR Cloudy setting; color Temperature of 6500 and a tint of +10.
LR Shade setting; color Temperature of 7500 and a tint of +10.
The first image is As shot by the camera set for AWB. LR shows the camera recorded this as a color Temperature of 8600 and a tint of +64.
The second image is adjusted in LR according to the Auto setting for the Profile. This shows the color Tempeartue of 7500 and a tint of +30.
The third image is adjusted in LR according to the Daylight setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 5500 and a tint of +10
The fourth image is adjusted in LR according to the Cloudy setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 6500 and a tint of +10.
The fifth image is adjusted in LR according to the Shade setting for the Profile. This shows the color Temperature of 7500 and a tint of +10.
I was trying to process this and other images from the session and found myself having real issues as I was trying to drop in a Grad filter and to make all of the adjustments for darks, shadows, lights, whites, etc.
I think that these colora are off by quite a bit But, hopefully this will give you some guide as to the problem. But, as I say, to the best of my knowledge this shoudl be using the Sony color Profiles for the Adobe Standard 2012 Profile.
Rich
As Shot and opened in LR defaults; color Temperature of 8600 and a tint of +64.
LR Auto setting; color Tempeartue of 7500 and a tint of +30.
LR Daylight setting; color Temperature of 5500 and a tint of +10
LR Cloudy setting; color Temperature of 6500 and a tint of +10.
LR Shade setting; color Temperature of 7500 and a tint of +10.
Feb 01, 2016 at 05:23 PM
p.4 #8Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
Rich's A7rM Zeiss 35mm f8 1/800 second, Temperature 8100 Degrees Tint +51
Mike's A7rM Zeiss 35mm f8 1/800, Tempereatue 6500 Degrees tint +28
Rich's A7rM Leica 24mm Asph f8 1/400 second, Temperature 6300 Degrees Tint +5
Mike's A7rM Leica 24mm Asph f8 1/400 second, Temperature 5300 Degrees Tint +4
Edited on Feb 02, 2016 at 06:12 PM · View previous versions
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
Rich's A7rM Zeiss 35mm f8 1/800 second, Temperature 8100 Degrees Tint +51
Mike's A7rM Zeiss 35mm f8 1/800, Tempereatue 6500 Degrees tint +28
Rich's A7rM Leica 24mm Asph f8 1/400 second, Temperature 6300 Degrees Tint +5
Mike's A7rM Leica 24mm Asph f8 1/400 second, Temperature 5300 Degrees Tint +4
Edited on Feb 02, 2016 at 06:12 PM · View previous versions
Feb 02, 2016 at 03:40 PM
p.4 #9Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Interesting (and probably frustrating) result Rich.
When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.
When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.
Feb 02, 2016 at 05:41 PM
p.4 #10Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Rich, try the camera standard profile when you have a chance. 
Feb 02, 2016 at 05:49 PM
p.4 #11Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
mcbroomf wrote:
Interesting (and probably frustrating) result Rich.
When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.
Hi Mike,
If we don't get rain, I can try that a little tomorrow. There is a big difference in color between the 2 lenses, that is for sure. Now I am wondering also about the color with my Leica R lenses and even my Canon new FD 500mm f4.5 lens as well. This could become a bit of a nightmare or I may just have to live with some of the color differences.
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uhoh7 wrote:
Rich, try the camera standard profile when you have a chance.
Hi Charlie,
I swithed the setting to the Camera Standard Profiles and that may have exagerated the affects even more. If you want, I can post some of those tomorrow.
Rich
Interesting (and probably frustrating) result Rich.
When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.
Hi Mike,
If we don't get rain, I can try that a little tomorrow. There is a big difference in color between the 2 lenses, that is for sure. Now I am wondering also about the color with my Leica R lenses and even my Canon new FD 500mm f4.5 lens as well. This could become a bit of a nightmare or I may just have to live with some of the color differences.
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uhoh7 wrote:
Rich, try the camera standard profile when you have a chance.
Hi Charlie,
I swithed the setting to the Camera Standard Profiles and that may have exagerated the affects even more. If you want, I can post some of those tomorrow.
Rich
Feb 02, 2016 at 06:26 PM
p.4 #12Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
I wouldn't trust the AWB anyway, the system to try to correct the balance too much and it's not reliable to keep several frames with the same balance.
I shot with preset WB then I check it on LR, at least I don't have weard colors and I can edit several frames with same WB.
I'm a bit disappointed by the magenta corners with 35zm, but it should be the same with nokton for exemple.
To conclude, at least you don't have sensor flare like on A7 / A7M which is my biggest concern today on this one.
I shot with preset WB then I check it on LR, at least I don't have weard colors and I can edit several frames with same WB.
I'm a bit disappointed by the magenta corners with 35zm, but it should be the same with nokton for exemple.
To conclude, at least you don't have sensor flare like on A7 / A7M which is my biggest concern today on this one.
Feb 03, 2016 at 02:58 AM
p.4 #13Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
naturephoto1 wrote:
When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.Hi Mike,
If we don't get rain, I can try that a little tomorrow. There is a big difference in color between the 2 lenses, that is for sure. Now I am wondering also about the color with my Leica R lenses and even my Canon new FD 500mm f4.5 lens as well. This could become a bit of a nightmare or I may just have to live with some of the color differences.
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Hi Charlie,
I swithed the setting to the Camera Standard Profiles and that may have exagerated the affects even more. If you want, I can post some of those...Show more →
I gave it a shot, pulling the 2 images from your camera into PS but as I moved around the image the ratios changed, partly perhaps because of the angle of the snow to the sky and sun (blue vs white/warm light) but also because as I got away from center the colour caste of the lens impact the WB. If I believe any trend I saw I'd say the 24mm Elmar is greener than the 35mm ZM. I think you'll have to bite the bullet and get the Flatfield plugin or Cornerfix working, then create your custom WB's and see if they are close enough to use.
mcbroomf wrote
Interesting (and probably frustrating) result Rich.When you hover over the snow how do the colours vary (R-G-B) between the 2 lenses from the same camera (ie how is RGB for the 35 vs 24 for your camera). I hope they're close enough so that one colour profile will work.
I agree that my older mod A7r is too blue, the new one with the AR glass might be a little too green.
If we don't get rain, I can try that a little tomorrow. There is a big difference in color between the 2 lenses, that is for sure. Now I am wondering also about the color with my Leica R lenses and even my Canon new FD 500mm f4.5 lens as well. This could become a bit of a nightmare or I may just have to live with some of the color differences.
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uhoh7 wrote
Rich, try the camera standard profile when you have a chance.I swithed the setting to the Camera Standard Profiles and that may have exagerated the affects even more. If you want, I can post some of those...Show more →
I gave it a shot, pulling the 2 images from your camera into PS but as I moved around the image the ratios changed, partly perhaps because of the angle of the snow to the sky and sun (blue vs white/warm light) but also because as I got away from center the colour caste of the lens impact the WB. If I believe any trend I saw I'd say the 24mm Elmar is greener than the 35mm ZM. I think you'll have to bite the bullet and get the Flatfield plugin or Cornerfix working, then create your custom WB's and see if they are close enough to use.
Feb 03, 2016 at 03:23 AM
p.4 #14Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
Hi Rich,
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
Feb 03, 2016 at 11:17 AM
p.4 #15Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
naturephoto1 wrote:
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's...Show more →
Rich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's...Show more →
Rich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
Feb 03, 2016 at 12:26 PM
p.4 #16Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
uhoh7 wrote:
Hi Rich,
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9...Show more →
Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
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hiepphotog wrote:
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
RichRich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
Rich
Hi Rich,
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9...Show more →
Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
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hiepphotog wrote:
naturephoto1 wrote
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
Rich
Feb 03, 2016 at 12:54 PM
p.4 #17Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
naturephoto1 wrote:
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
RichRich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my...Show more →
Do you have your Auto-Correct on in the camera? I did shoot Colorchecker for my three main M lenses: ZM 15, 35 and Leica 50 APO. And their results are quite similar, so I'm surprised by this. For now, I'm not sure if I want to go to the V3.
uhoh7 wrote
Hi Rich,If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my...Show more →
Do you have your Auto-Correct on in the camera? I did shoot Colorchecker for my three main M lenses: ZM 15, 35 and Leica 50 APO. And their results are quite similar, so I'm surprised by this. For now, I'm not sure if I want to go to the V3
.Feb 03, 2016 at 01:03 PM
p.4 #18Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
hiepphotog wrote:
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
RichRich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
RichDo you have your Auto-Correct on in the camera? I did shoot Colorchecker for my three main M lenses: ZM 15, 35 and Leica 50 APO. And their results are quite similar, so I'm surprised by this. For now, I'm not sure if I want to go to the V3 .
I will check both cameras later. But to the best of my knowledge I never have and I did not adjust Mike's camera to the best of my knowledge or my camera once I took receipt of it. By the way, where do I find Auto Correct?
Rich
naturephoto1 wrote
uhoh7 wrote
Hi Rich,If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
Rich
.I will check both cameras later. But to the best of my knowledge I never have and I did not adjust Mike's camera to the best of my knowledge or my camera once I took receipt of it. By the way, where do I find Auto Correct?
Rich
Feb 03, 2016 at 01:09 PM
p.4 #19Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
naturephoto1 wrote:
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
RichRich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
RichDo you have your Auto-Correct on in the camera? I did shoot Colorchecker for my three main M lenses: ZM 15, 35 and Leica 50 APO. And their results are quite similar, so I'm surprised by this. For now, I'm not sure if I want to go to the V3 .I will check both cameras later. But to the best of my knowledge I never have and I did not adjust Mike's camera to the best of my knowledge or my camera once I took receipt of it. By the way, where do I find Auto Correct?
Rich
I have the A7S, but it's in Lens Comp. (Gear - 6). Phigment can apply auto correct since it transfers exif to the camera.
hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
uhoh7 wrote
Hi Rich,If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
Rich
.Rich
I have the A7S, but it's in Lens Comp. (Gear - 6). Phigment can apply auto correct since it transfers exif to the camera.
Feb 03, 2016 at 01:12 PM
p.4 #20Possible issues with Zeiss 35mm f1.4ZM or need to shim Hawk's Factory Helicoid
hiepphotog wrote:
If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?
I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/16430469342_29afd421cb_b.jpg
DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.Hi Charlie,
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
---------------------------------------------
The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
RichRich, it's strange that the Elmar produced a wildly different picture than the ZM. Nonetheless, I think Ilija is still quite far off from the color response of the new glass.
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?Hi Hiep,
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
RichDo you have your Auto-Correct on in the camera? I did shoot Colorchecker for my three main M lenses: ZM 15, 35 and Leica 50 APO. And their results are quite similar, so I'm surprised by this. For now, I'm not sure if I want to go to the V3 .I will check both cameras later. But to the best of my knowledge I never have and I did not adjust Mike's camera to the best of my knowledge or my camera once I took receipt of it. By the way, where do I find Auto Correct?
RichI have the A7S, but it's in Lens Comp. (Gear - 6). Phigment can apply auto correct since it transfers exif to the camera.
I have never set anything in the Phigment adapter for any of the correction for any lenses. But, I could run both lenses on the same adapter and make a comparison of the lenses on the adapters.
Rich
naturephoto1 wrote
hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
uhoh7 wrote
Hi Rich,If it wasn't for bad luck you would not have any
When you say Camera standard makes effects worse, do you mean color shift? Or overall WB?I assume you are shooting RAW.
My own A7 is in the mail back to me with this new cover also. I had some WB fits at first last time:
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DSC00220 by unoh7, on Flickr
But I was able to get a handle on them pretty easy with some help from jako.
As to the color shift: I think the small pixels and lack of correction in camera are causing this. Uncorrected even the M9 will shift color on some UWA lenses. But when you choose the right lens in the camera, e.g. the ZM wants to be the pre-asph 21/2.8, then the RAWs come out clean.
Color shift always drove me crazy with the NEX. Funny enough it is not much of an issue with the A7, A7s, or A7r2.
I will try to prepare and post some images later today of the Camera Standard results versus the Adobe Standard images later today.
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hiepphotog wrote
naturephoto1 wrote
Below are comparisons of my new A7rM and Mike's older A7rM with both my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph lenses. Images were shot in Daylight conditions with some clouds.The first 2 shots are first my A7rM with my Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Adobe Standard Profile, 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100, @ f8 and 1/800 second. My camera recorded color temperature As Shot at 8100 Degrees and a tint of +51. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 6500 Degrees with a color tint of +28.
The second pair of shots are first my A7rM with my Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph followed by Mike's A7rM with the same lens. In both cases the cameras were set to AWB Standard Profile 2012 in LR6 and shot at ISO 100 @ f8 and 1/400 second. My camera recorded the color temperature As Shot at 6300 Degres and a tint of +5. Mike's camera recorded the color temperature As Shot as 5300 Degrees and a tint of +4.
I am at a loss at this point why the new Sensor cover glass is reading a much higher color temperature than the older Sensor cover glass and the stock A7r cover glass. Also, I am begining to beleve that Mike's camera is reading too blue for the rendering though mine may be more accurate for the conditions. However, those colors that we saw under cloudy conditions have me at a loss because Mike's camera appears to be more neutral and mine shifted too far to the yellow. Regardless, presuming the new sensor cover glass is closer to a more neutral situation and the AWB and color profiles need to adjusted, they are definitely way off in the LR profiles for the A7r for Auto, Daylight, Cloudy, and Shade. Those profiles will need a major overhaul probably.
Rich
By the way, have you posted any comparison between V2 and V3 regarding the sensor reflection?
I have not done any comparisons regarding the sensor reflections yet. It is raining so no tests today.
As to the differences between the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 Distagon ZM and the Leica 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph, I don't know what to say. But, you can see a substantial difference between both lenses on both cameras. And if there is any question as did I mix up the lenses, I have my Zeiss 35mm Distagon mounted on my Hawk's Factory V5 Helicoid and my Leica M 24mm f3.8 Elmar Asph mounted on my Phigment Adapter (which right now is registerng the lens as my WATE). I would be shocked it the adpaters had any affect on the color reproduction of the lenses.
Rich
.Rich
I have never set anything in the Phigment adapter for any of the correction for any lenses. But, I could run both lenses on the same adapter and make a comparison of the lenses on the adapters.
Rich
Feb 03, 2016 at 01:20 PM