Taylor Sherman wrote:
To be fair, you don't actually have a #@#$ing clue what they are "intentionally" doing or trying to push.
There's no way dpreview.com doesn't know that this is the wrong way to hold a camera (unless you're trying to make it look taller). Nonetheless they did so anyway for their news post announcing the camera. They write not just in the body but right in the headline of said news post that they don't like the camera's size.
Based on those facts, the only conclusion I can see is that the media narrative on this camera is going to be that it's massive (even though it's really not that much bigger than an A7r II if the comparison image on SAR is scaled properly). What's your alternate theory?
Meanwhile I'd like an M mount camera with a 36-50MP sensor and a better, faster EVF accessory. Not buying the SL. The Q is much more interesting, but again does not have that high resolution that I want for landscape photography.
Given all the hints they've dropped, the camera is exactly what I'd imagined. I don't even think it's that large, though, given the collective buzz around the internet, I'm in minority there. If I were at all interested in AF lenses, that's a trio I would find very interesting, if they perform like the S line. I actually think the "S2 Jr." label probably isn't far off from where Leica is positioning the camera. It might even appeal to current S2 shooters. A familiar interface in a much smaller package with a much lower price and with access to (hopefully) high quality native glass and (likely) an adapter for S lenses. It would also be a nice size for someone with a stash of R lenses who doesn't like using them on Cannikonytaxfuolysamsonic. And it seems like it's priced appropriately for that very limited market.
It does make the a7rII look dirt-cheap, though, which isn't a great thing. I'm having a hard enough time waiting out the first price-break.
There's no way dpreview.com doesn't know that this is the wrong way to hold a camera (unless you're trying to make it look taller). Nonetheless they did so anyway for their news post announcing the camera.
Yes, you are right. It took me in too. It is very big, surprisingly big for a mirrorless, but it is still smaller and (just) lighter than my 5DII. It does seem to break new records in speed which I'm sure is good news to some, and it does have that cutting edge EVF. It is also extremely solidly put together - blocks of aluminium etc. The lenses also seem large and heavy - even bigger/heavier than Canon/Nikon lenses, but then I expect they will be good.
Has anyone read anything about how this plays out with M lenses? Anything claimed by Leica or their early testers' Ming Thein does not mention it. Being able to use M, R and some smaller(?) autofocus lenses on the same body with that very large viewfinder might be quite pleasant. I would still much rather have a new M with this sensor and a MUCH better add on EVF though.
wolfloid wrote:
Yes, you are right. It took me in too. It is very big, surprisingly big for a mirrorless, but it is still smaller and (just) lighter than my 5DII. It does seem to break new records in speed which I'm sure is good news to some, and it does have that cutting edge EVF. It is also extremely solidly put together - blocks of aluminium etc. The lenses also seem large and heavy - even bigger/heavier than Canon/Nikon lenses, but then I expect they will be good.
Has anyone read anything about how this plays out with M lenses? Anything claimed by Leica or their early testers' Ming Thein does not mention it. Being able to use M, R and some smaller(?) autofocus lenses on the same body with that very large viewfinder might be quite pleasant. I would still much rather have a new M with this sensor and a MUCH better add on EVF though....Show more →
Not as good as the M240 but much better than a stock A7 from Jono Black review
The DP review pictures seem like deliberate defamation to me - they try hard to make the camera look like a cumbersome MF camera and succeed - not very professional of them.
To be honest it doesnt look too big to me, for a camera that's supposed to support zoom tele lenses. The EVF looks great, we know the sensor is good, and I like the unmarked buttons and S style layout. It would balance nicely with R lenses too, and I suspect the overall style of the camera would also start to make more sense.
Still hard to compete commercially at this price range, but when did leica care?
Lee Saxon wrote:
Okay, I just noticed this can output 10-bit 4:2:2 over HDMI. The price seems less outlandish when you look at other devices with that feature.
I'm not saying I believe that's fair, or that I have any interest in that feature; just an observation.
I noticed that too, and that is an interesting surprise. But don't forget the GH4 offers 4K 10-Bit 4:2:2 as well. For FAR less money (albeit with a much smaller sensor).
The prices get a bit more absurd for the accessories. The remote release cable is $200. A rear lens cap is $50. Really? I know Leica is a 'luxury brand, but come on.
AbramG wrote:
I noticed that too, and that is an interesting surprise. But don't forget the GH4 offers 4K 10-Bit 4:2:2 as well. For FAR less money (albeit with a much smaller sensor).
Is that included with the body itself though? Or only the giant additional cost 4K attachment?
Lee Saxon wrote:
Is that included with the body itself though? Or only the giant additional cost 4K attachment?
In-camera it only does 4:2:0. You need an external recording device for 4:2:2. (over HDMI 1.4)
On the brighter side, it is capable of 1080P 120fps in-camera.
wolfloid wrote:
The DP review pictures seem like deliberate defamation to me - they try hard to make the camera look like a cumbersome MF camera and succeed - not very professional of them.
DEFAMATION - are you (pick favorite word) kidding me? It is what it is. Looks completely fine. Sorry you didn't approve of their product shot.
Lee Saxon wrote:
There's no way dpreview.com doesn't know that this is the wrong way to hold a camera (unless you're trying to make it look taller). Nonetheless they did so anyway for their news post announcing the camera. They write not just in the body but right in the headline of said news post that they don't like the camera's size.
Based on those facts, the only conclusion I can see is that the media narrative on this camera is going to be that it's massive (even though it's really not that much bigger than an A7r II if the comparison image on SAR is scaled properly). What's your alternate theory? ...Show more →
I didn't know I needed an alternate theory? Not even sure what this theory is supposed to be about. The inner machinations of people that run DPR?
Anyway, you're probably right. After all, they gave the camera to a woman to hold in those pictures, and why else would they do that?
aeonsim wrote:
Massive and ugly, about the only thing bigger than the camera is the price.
Have a look at the image on dpreview with the 90-280 mounted is the only shot that makes the camera look small, which suggests that lens is massive!
Even Sony E-mount 4/70-200 is slightly bigger than Canon 4/70-200L IS. Leica 90-280 has even longer reach, it must be massive. The only small 300mm zoom is Canon 70-300 DO...
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Lee Saxon wrote:
Okay, I just noticed this can output 10-bit 4:2:2 over HDMI. The price seems less outlandish when you look at other devices with that feature.
I'm not saying I believe that's fair, or that I have any interest in that feature; just an observation.
Yeah, it can output this but it will have pixel binning with a 24mp camera. I think we have to see how good that 10 bit 4:2:2 is, and doesn't the A7sII do this as well without pixel binning.
DEFAMATION - are you (pick favorite word) kidding me? It is what it is. Looks completely fine. Sorry you didn't approve of their product shot.
