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Archive 2015 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

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Fred Miranda wrote:
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The funny thing is that I ended up with 2 RX1RII cameras. I pre-ordered one from B&H Photo and my wife pre-ordered one from another store (for my birthday). Poor girl, she wanted to make a surprise.

Fred, I'm pretty sure that a bunch of (unmarried) FMers are now wondering if your wife has a (single) sister.

Dec 04, 2015 at 04:53 AM

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genji wrote:
Fred, I'm pretty sure that a bunch of (unmarried) FMers are now wondering if your wife has a (single) sister.

Probably some married ones too-- hoping this mythical sister is at least open to an affair with (lens gifting) benefits. :0

Dec 04, 2015 at 05:39 AM

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genji wrote:
Fred, I'm pretty sure that a bunch of (unmarried) FMers are now wondering if your wife has a (single) sister.

Sorry, only brothers!

Dec 05, 2015 at 01:44 AM

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p.39 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Well no joking it is my birthday for real today. I'm afraid my wife did not order me one. Dang it . Lol

Looking forward to reading reports well maybe not it just may get me in trouble . Lol

Dec 05, 2015 at 07:54 AM

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GMPhotography wrote:
Well no joking it is my birthday for real today. I'm afraid my wife did not order me one. Dang it . Lol

Looking forward to reading reports well maybe not it just may get me in trouble . Lol

Guy,

Happy Birthday just the same.

Rich

Dec 05, 2015 at 10:45 AM

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p.39 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Hey thanks. Lol

I'm just going to buy my Sony 35 1.4 back next week new. My last copy had asymmetry issue so I'm buying new in case I have to return. Unless someone has a proven copy used I would buy it. This variance stuff is on my nerves.

From all reports I seen so far nothing bad on the Rx1rII front so that's good news. Would love to buy Fred's second copy just can't pull it off right now. The files I have seen are just jumping off the screen .

Dec 05, 2015 at 10:59 AM

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GMPhotography wrote:
Hey thanks. Lol

I'm just going to buy my Sony 35 1.4 back next week new. My last copy had asymmetry issue so I'm buying new in case I have to return. Unless someone has a proven copy used I would buy it. This variance stuff is on my nerves.

From all reports I seen so far nothing bad on the Rx1rII front so that's good news. Would love to buy Fred's second copy just can't pull it off right now. The files I have seen are just jumping off the screen .

Happy birthday Guy. The new RX1RII is incredible. The Sonnar 35/2 easily takes advantage of the 30% increase in resolution, especially in the center. With EyeAF at f/2, I'm getting the same sharpness I get with my Sonnar 35/2.8 and that lens is super sharp wide open. It was not the case with the RX1R.
Usability is what really makes the new camera enjoyable though. Tilt-able LCD, built-in EVF, revamped menu system and fast AF. Taking about AF, it seems to perform similarly or even slightly better than A7RII + FE 35/2.8 in low light. I did some infinity tests and at f/5.6, the entire frame is sharp with bold colors/contrast. Similar rendering to the Loxia 35/2 lens.

Dec 05, 2015 at 11:48 AM

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Fred I know I want it bad I'm about a grand short of jumping all over it. Maybe less. I'm selling a few things and some smugmug money coming next week to at least get the 35 1.4 again and your sale is killing me bud. Lol

Come Febuary when I'm really flush with smugmug money I'm most likely going to jump on one. The files I have seen and mostly snaps at that are maybe some of the best imagery I have seen bar none. I can spot a winner. This is it.

Dec 05, 2015 at 11:53 AM

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Fred Miranda wrote:
My images at f/2 are tack sharp and my lens is well centered.

Since I believe that on internet forums a disproportionate amount of attention is given to "bad" copies of lenses, I thought I would report that I did my normal lens testing on my new RX1Rii today and my lens is also sharp at F2 and well centered.

Dec 05, 2015 at 08:00 PM

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p.39 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Given these should all be hand aligned/checked before each camera leaves the factory, I'd hope "bad" copies are far rarer than the typical mass produced product

Dec 05, 2015 at 08:30 PM

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p.39 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Agree

Dec 05, 2015 at 10:15 PM

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p.39 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

My RX1 lens was a little decentered so, unfortunately, I think there will still be some sample variation. That said, I suspect the performance of even the so so copies is at a very high level.

Dec 05, 2015 at 10:33 PM

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p.39 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

What's a good way to check for decentered lens or just a bad copy?

Dec 06, 2015 at 01:24 AM

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unravel wrote:
What's a good way to check for decentered lens or just a bad copy?

There are a lot of ways to do this.

I think a lot of people find a place where they can focus at infinity and take a photo with the camera slanted so that one end of the horizon is at, say, the upper left corner and the other at say the lower right corner ( you get the idea) and put the image up on the computer and compare the sharpness of the corners. Of course, you should shoot wide open and either use a tripod or a very fast shutter speed. You should take a few images and look at the sharpest one.

Others like to take shots of brick walls with the camera on a tripod (you have to take care to make sure the plane of the image sensor is parallel to the wall) and compare corners. Others like to shoot test charts (again you must take care that the sensor is parallel to the chart),

Personally, I do two things. I check the lens against a Zeiss star chart as described in this Lens Rental blog entry:

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/05/testing-for-a-decentered-lens-an-old-technique-gets-a-makeover

And then just to be sure, I take my camera outside and find some small writing like a street sign and manually focus using magnified view so that it is in the upper left corner of the image. I use a shutter speed of 10x the focal length and take 4 shots to guarantee I am getting a sharp shot hand held. Then, I turn the camera upside down without changing focus and take the same series of shots. Then on my computer I compare what was the upper left corner with the same shot of the lower right corner (since I flipped the camera).

I've never had a situation where the Zeiss star chart test showed the lens was well centered and one of the other techniques did not, but I like to do at least two tests anyway.

Edit: Focusing and defocusing on the Zeiss star chart using magnified view and focus peaking (with your camera on a tripod, of course) is very revealing.

Dec 06, 2015 at 01:40 AM

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Jeff Kott wrote:
There are a lot of ways to do this.

I think a lot of people find a place where they can focus at infinity and take a photo with the camera slanted so that one end of the horizon is at, say, the upper left corner and the other at say the lower right corner ( you get the idea) and put the image up on the computer and compare the sharpness of the corners. Of course, you should shoot wide open and either use a tripod or a very fast shutter speed. You should take a few images and...Show more →

Thanks for such a detailed response! I know what I'll be doing next week when my camera arrives.

Dec 06, 2015 at 06:50 AM

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TMaG82 wrote:
Thanks for such a detailed response! I know what I'll be doing next week when my camera arrives.

Just go out and enjoy shooting it bro, if there are issues in real world shooting, you'll notice them easily enough.

"Testing" is just plain silly, because even with perfect equipment, you'll soon enough find an issue if you do it long enough

If you can't find anything wrong with an image under any real world shooting, then by my standards, there are no errors. If all your pictures from a days shoot come back with the right or left side obviously blurred, then yeah, there is an issue.

If you can only notice something such as a slightly soft extreme corner, at minimum focal distance, wide open, when viewing it at 100% from a 42meg sensor, and you can't even be assured your setup is 100% aligned, then it seems a silly thing to worry about.

As I mentioned before, any camera can look bad depending on the test. Look at the DPRreview bench shot photos. People thought the sky was falling, were canceling preorders, forums were ablaze about "bad copies" and Sony QC etc, but then they shot the same camera with real world images and it looked great.

Simply was a case of trying to match the FoV between a 35mm wide and longer focal lengths, at close to minimum focal distances. 35/2 Sonnar simply isn't the right choice for fine art reproduction is really all that test told us, but just imagine how many people likely are doing similar "test" at home, and finding similar results.

In a way it might be a good thing for me though, because I bet when someone gets their new $3300 camera, tapes some newspapers to the wall, and either A) doesn't have it lined up square, and/or B) is expecting the corners to match the center at minimum focal distance wide open, they will be disappointed with their "bad" copy, to which they will return it, probably 2 times over, because they want a "good" copy, and Amazon etc will have some open box returns I can pick up for a nice savings

Dec 06, 2015 at 11:51 AM

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p.39 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

Well said millsart! Look at results of stuff you actually shoot. That is the ONLY thing that matters.

Dec 06, 2015 at 03:15 PM

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dandrewk wrote:
Well said millsart! Look at results of stuff you actually shoot. That is the ONLY thing that matters.
+1

Dec 06, 2015 at 03:33 PM

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p.39 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF

dandrewk wrote:
Well said millsart! Look at results of stuff you actually shoot. That is the ONLY thing that matters.
Or take a good look at this.... "RX1(R/R2) Image Thread"... https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1168684

Dec 06, 2015 at 05:50 PM

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millsart wrote:
Just go out and enjoy shooting it bro, if there are issues in real world shooting, you'll notice them easily enough.

Millsart,

Keep in mind that not only are you a very experienced photographer - you're a pro - and obviously very confident that you can judge a lens just by looking at photos that you've taken with it.

Unfortunately, new lenses that are not properly centered are out there and photographers who are not as experienced as you may want to do an objective test to see if their new lens is properly centered.

My issue is that between work and my family obligations with a young toddler, I don't have as much time to take photos as I used to and, especially with our winter rains, I will not have a chance to take and review enough photos during the 10 day return period to make a good judgement on the lens. So I did a couple quick tests to get comfortable.

I think we should each do what we feel we need to do to get comfortable with our new equipment, whether that's a little testing for decentering, just looking at photos or something else, and not be so judgmental as to what others are doing.

Dec 06, 2015 at 06:27 PM

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