p.31 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
This is an extraordinarily expensive camera that's capable of very little (granted, good optics and good sensor).
it's a pretty expensive camera that's capable of doing 95% of all my photo taking. the other 5% is for birds, i rarely take BIFs with my rx1: sunset hummer by sebboh, on Flickr
p.31 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
chez wrote:
Elaborate on that please.
Ok, I understand the attractiveness of a compact, large-aperture lens camera (in my previous
life, I used to have an Olympus Epic with a 35mm f/2.8 lens).
But no IBIS or OS, no 4K detracts from its utility. The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
p.31 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
Ok, I understand the attractiveness of a compact, large-aperture lens camera (in my previous
life, I used to have an Olympus Epic with a 35mm f/2.8 lens).
But no IBIS or OS, no 4K detracts from its utility. The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
everybody has there own uses for a camera needs for specific features, but I'd be willing to pay more than $1500 just for the lens if it could be sold separately. in fact some competing lenses that don't perform as well sell for more than that. it's a luxury price but it's easy to justify from the perspective of looking at the price of a camera lens combo that matches performance (unfortunately you can't find a lens that matches the performance imo). it's a fair bit cheaper than an a7rII + 35/2 loxia or 5Ds r + 35/2 IS.
obviously if you need 4K and IBIS don't get the camera. I doubt I would ever use 4K but IBIS would be nice. there are lots of more expensive cameras that don't have stabilization, would you also consider them as just status symbols?
having said all that, I'll probably wait a year to see if I can get a used one for under 2k like I did with the original.
p.31 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
I agree with the pricing. I used to have the first version and loved it, but having that much money tied up when the Fuji X100S came pretty close to it in practical terms, led me to sell the Sony and keep the Fuji.
I'm now in the process of also selling the Fuji (by now the X100T), because I don't use it enough.
The Sony beckons, but it's just too expensive for what it would add to my camera collection, especially since Sony itself now offers the alternative of the A7R II, which didn't exist when the first RX1 came out.
p.31 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote: This is an extraordinarily expensive camera that's capable of very little (granted, good optics and good sensor).
"Good optics" and "good sensor". Yeah... which lens and which sensor is "great" in your book? And what 35mm lens that good would you recommend?
"Capable of very little". Yeah, and that is proven every day in the RX1 image tread.
I agree about the price though. It is too high compared to what you get. Still, it's the only camera I bought in a long time and it has done what I have asked it to do and the images I got from it have been very pleasing to my eyes.
howard wrote: Ok, I understand the attractiveness of a compact, large-aperture lens camera (in my previous
life, I used to have an Olympus Epic with a 35mm f/2.8 lens).
But no IBIS or OS, no 4K detracts from its utility. The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
I wouldn't have bought an RX1 with IBIS. Maybe it is the (indeed too expensive) minimalistic approach I like... I want the sensor to be bolted to the body - because I dislike nasty surprises about which shutter speeds must be avoided with that IBIS and this or that lens, or the IBIS screwing up the image because I forgot to turn it off when leaning the camera towards a wall and such.
I guess that is a difference as well; you are looking for something to add to the arsenal. I have come to make friends with my RX1 over the years and it handles nearly everything I want the camera to do. Clearly not the camera which makes everyone happy.
Yes, again, it is expensive. I'm working class so I hope my RX1 lasts while I save up for a replacement. Then I'll get myself that posh accessory.
p.31 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
Ok, I understand the attractiveness of a compact, large-aperture lens camera (in my previous
life, I used to have an Olympus Epic with a 35mm f/2.8 lens).
But no IBIS or OS, no 4K detracts from its utility. The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
I can't imagine what you think about any Leica camera.
But look at it this way, you are paying about $1,500 for a slightly improved A7r MK1. Then you are paying an additional $1,500 for a 35mm lens that is more than just "good". Finally another $100-$200 dollars to have that lens permanently attached to the camera. If you're a "pro" shooter then you most likely have another camera body that can use different lenses with different focal lengths. If you don't need 2 cameras but need 1 camera that can use different lenses then you wouldn't be looking at this anyway. Problem fixed, now you can justifiably blow your cash.
p.31 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Agreed, but I think the vastly improved AF performance, along with superior DR and low light sensitivity, make the RX1rII a bit more than "slightly" improved. The added resolution is a nice bonus.
And it's been said before: There is no better 35mm FL that money can buy for any price.
p.31 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
leetmode wrote:
I can't imagine what you think about any Leica camera.
But look at it this way, you are paying about $1,500 for a slightly improved A7r MK1. Then you are paying an additional $1,500 for a 35mm lens that is more than just "good". Finally another $100-$200 dollars to have that lens permanently attached to the camera. If you're a "pro" shooter then you most likely have another camera body that can use different lenses with different focal lengths. If you don't need 2 cameras but need 1 camera that can use different lenses then you wouldn't be looking at this anyway. Problem fixed, now you can justifiably blow your cash....Show more →
Don't need to imagine, I think they are all status symbols. :-)
p.31 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
This is telling a lie through gross understatement. It is far more than a "good optic" or a "good sensor". Its one of the best sensors mated to what might be the best 35mm lenses ever. For the 35mm nuts (I mean this with a combination of affection, envy, and respect) out there, it is a perfect image maker.
I have never seen such images as are in the RX1 thread. That camera somehow makes boring images still draw the eye. Just an amazing combo.
howard wrote:
This is an extraordinarily expensive camera that's capable of very little (granted, good optics and good sensor).
p.31 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TheEmrys wrote:
This is telling a lie through gross understatement. It is far more than a "good optic" or a "good sensor". Its one of the best sensors mated to what might be the best 35mm lenses ever. For the 35mm nuts (I mean this with a combination of affection, envy, and respect) out there, it is a perfect image maker.
I have never seen such images as are in the RX1 thread. That camera somehow makes boring images still draw the eye. Just an amazing combo.
Im afraid to even look at that thread. My knitting on my ski mask is not finished yet. ROTFLMAO
Honestly there is nothing but fabulous with that setup. Anytime you can precisely mate a lens to a sensor like that no bad will come from that for sure.
p.31 #13 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TheEmrys wrote:
This is telling a lie through gross understatement. It is far more than a "good optic" or a "good sensor". Its one of the best sensors mated to what might be the best 35mm lenses ever. For the 35mm nuts (I mean this with a combination of affection, envy, and respect) out there, it is a perfect image maker.
I have never seen such images as are in the RX1 thread. That camera somehow makes boring images still draw the eye. Just an amazing combo.
When I said "good" I really meant a positive complement, yet you are calling me names. A little insecure perhaps?
p.31 #14 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
This is an extraordinarily expensive camera that's capable of very little (granted, good optics and good sensor).
chez wrote:
Elaborate on that please.
howard wrote:
Ok, I understand the attractiveness of a compact, large-aperture lens camera (in my previous
life, I used to have an Olympus Epic with a 35mm f/2.8 lens).
But no IBIS or OS, no 4K detracts from its utility. The biggest gripe from me is the price. At maybe $1,500 or so I can see how it can be a nice addition to one's arsenal; at more than twice that, I see it as a posh status symbol.
Give it a couple years. The original RX1 is now selling new for around that much in some markets. Just not in the US, it seems... As usual, the early adopter pays the price for being first in line. Sometimes it makes sense to be first, other times to wait.
p.31 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
rscheffler wrote:
Give it a couple years. The original RX1 is now selling new for around that much in some markets. Just not in the US, it seems... As usual, the early adopter pays the price for being first in line. Sometimes it makes sense to be first, other times to wait.
Point taken.
I never disputed that this is a good camera (ok, to the emotionally attached who thinks "good" is not good enough, make that GREAT), as I said I just found the price to be quite extraordinary. Anyway, I have no more to say in this matter, have a nice day!
p.31 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
TheEmrys wrote:
I have never seen such images as are in the RX1 thread. That camera somehow makes boring images still draw the eye. Just an amazing combo.
Oh yeah. We need to get Ronny Olsson involved in this thread so he can explain how he gets those images from a camera that's "capable of very little".
p.31 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
howard wrote:
This is an extraordinarily expensive camera that's capable of very little
That is the single most ridiculous statement I've read on FM in a very long time.
howard wrote:
I see it as a posh status symbol.
By your logic any camera over $1500 is a posh status symbol. You can do incredible work with a Canon Rebel, after that the performance increases are relatively small compared to the price.
p.31 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I must chime in here...
I'm super excited about the NEW RX1Rii. Have had both the RX1 and the RX1R (many times over) and I've had the A7s and the A7r (not the newest versions). I fell in love with the RX1 photos. There's something that is just magical about the photos. I love the fact that the RX1 is small and producing such wonderful photos. I hike, mountain bike and fly fish a lot; therefore, carrying an A7 with a couple lens is no fun. I actually hate the fact that I always contemplate which lens to use with a interchangeable lens camera, I feel I loose the intimacy of taking the photo.
The only problem (besides the slow AF) I had with the RX1 was no have a EVF. I hated using the external EVF and I never felt connected with the camera using the LCD screen. So now I welcome the newest version with the EVF!!
