p.16 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
taran wrote:
Pop up viewfinder, nice, but without an eyecup I'm guessing it will just stab me in the eye.
There are shots of it with a rubber eyecup, which presumably you have to pop on yourself after pulling the viewfinder out. Lack of an EVF solution that fitted in with the fantastic pocketability of the camera immediately put me off the first version. Now it's just the focal length, if they made one with a 50mm lens I'd be in serious trouble!
p.16 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Matt Grum wrote:
There are shots of it with a rubber eyecup, which presumably you have to pop on yourself after pulling the viewfinder out. Lack of an EVF solution that fitted in with the fantastic pocketability of the camera immediately put me off the first version. Now it's just the focal length, if they made one with a 50mm lens I'd be in serious trouble!
Isn't there a switch on the rx1 to crop to 50, with 42 pix, not much of a resolution hit.
p.16 #5 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
The eye cup idea is not a great one. Would have been nice if it was fixed and able to pop up with it and retract. Obviously you could always leave it retracted but than you have potential damage issue and the bulk of it of course. About the only thing I see as a negative outside price. But price is a personal decision so that's up to user
p.16 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
The eye cup idea is not a great one. Would have been nice if it was fixed and able to pop up with it and retract. r
I can't imagine how your idea would possibly work and I really think Sony would have come up with an alternative to attaching the eye cup if it was feasible.
I think the size of this camera, considering the sensor size, lens specs and quality and the fact they were able to get an EVF into it at all is simply amazing. We can second guess their design decisions, but I think Sony has really produced the best camera that can possibly be made in this size at this time.
p.16 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
mogul wrote:
Isn't there a switch on the rx1 to crop to 50, with 42 pix, not much of a resolution hit.
There is a 1.5x crop mode yes, but even with 42MP you're down to 18MP, and the equivalent of f/3. I'd pay $3,000 for a 50mm f/1.8 fixed lens camera with 42MP, but I wouldn't pay $3000 for a 52.5mm f/3 fixed lens camera with 18MP...
p.16 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Matt Grum wrote:
There is a 1.5x crop mode yes, but even with 42MP you're down to 18MP, and the equivalent of f/3. I'd pay $3,000 for a 50mm f/1.8 fixed lens camera with 42MP, but I wouldn't pay $3000 for a 52.5mm f/3 fixed lens camera with 18MP...
I agree. If 50mm is your preferred focal length, the cropped 18mp file wouldn't be that exciting.
It could also be seen in terms of a 35-55mm f/2-2.8 'zoom' with a loss of resolution at the long end.
p.16 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Strange, I rather love the auto ISO. What's not to like?
Sparks wrote:
Does anyone knows how the Auto-ISO will be implemented on the RX1RII?
I didn't see any specs on this yet.
I absolutely love the output of my RX1, but this is an aerea with lost of "Room for Improvement".
p.16 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Variable optical low-pass filter, pop-up EVF (In place of flash), tillable screen and higher MP sounds great but the biggest complaint among RX1 users is poor AF performance in low light. It's really the handicap of this camera and was reason enough for many to give up on it. In good light, AF is very usable but still nothing to write about.
Sony claims 30% increase in AF speed but even if true, I'm afraid it may not be enough to make a substantial difference. Perhaps Sony is being conservative and made bigger improvements in AF performance but I guess we have to wait and see.
Another concern is the MP increase with the same lens. We are almost doubling the MP and using the exact same lens. Nothing wrong with that as we know that the Zeiss 35/2 is special but it was tailored for the RX1's 24MP sensor and now will be used on a 42MP...I'm hopeful the lens was ahead of its time and will take advantage of the higher MP sensor. I'm sure IQ will be improved further but it may not be as much as it seems.
IMO, to be worth the upgrade, AF needs to be close to the performance of the new A7 bodies. Otherwise the used RX1/RX1R cameras current selling for $1,200-1,500 in great condition will be a steal.
p.16 #16 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Variable optical low-pass filter, pop-up EVF (In place of flash), tillable screen and higher MP sounds great but the biggest complaint among RX1 users is poor AF performance in low light. It's really the handicap of this camera and was reason enough for many to give up on it. In good light, AF is very usable but still nothing to write about.
Sony claims 30% increase in AF speed but even if true, I'm afraid it may not be enough to make a substantial difference. Perhaps Sony is being conservative and made bigger improvements in AF performance but I guess we have to wait and see.
Another concern is the MP increase with the same lens. We are almost doubling the MP and using the exact same lens. Nothing wrong with that as we know that the Zeiss 35/2 is special but it was tailored for the RX1's 24MP sensor and now will be used on a 42MP...I'm hopeful the lens was ahead of its time and will take advantage of the higher MP sensor. I'm sure IQ will be improved further but it may not be as much as it seems.
IMO, to be worth the upgrade, AF needs to be close to the performance of the new A7 bodies. Otherwise the used RX1/RX1R cameras current selling for $1,200-1,500 in great condition will be a steal....Show more →
I agree that AF speed is what matters most. I'm hoping that the claimed 30% increase is a comparison of Peak vs Peak performance. Because during daylight, the RX1 was plenty fast. The biggest issue was the hunting in low light. When it started hunting, it felt 5 times (500%) slower. So if they are comparing Average speeds in real-life environments, a 30% increase sucks. But if they manage to lose the hunting while increasing daylight AF speed by 30%, that would be amazing.
p.16 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
All very good points Fred. My only comment would be that even a doubling of pixels would not be close to a doubling of resolution. Somebody else can do the exact math. The pixel density of my A6000 is higher than the 42 MP full frame sensor and most of my lenses don't struggle with the A6000, so I'm not worried in the least about the RX1 lenses performance on the RX1ii. This is certainly one of the first things Sony's engineers would have checked.
p.16 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
Variable optical low-pass filter, pop-up EVF (In place of flash), tillable screen and higher MP sounds great but the biggest complaint among RX1 users is poor AF performance in low light. It's really the handicap of this camera and was reason enough for many to give up on it. In good light, AF is very usable but still nothing to write about.
Sony claims 30% increase in AF speed but even if true, I'm afraid it may not be enough to make a substantial difference. Perhaps Sony is being conservative and made bigger improvements in AF performance but I guess we have to wait and see.
Another concern is the MP increase with the same lens. We are almost doubling the MP and using the exact same lens. Nothing wrong with that as we know that the Zeiss 35/2 is special but it was tailored for the RX1's 24MP sensor and now will be used on a 42MP...I'm hopeful the lens was ahead of its time and will take advantage of the higher MP sensor. I'm sure IQ will be improved further but it may not be as much as it seems.
IMO, to be worth the upgrade, AF needs to be close to the performance of the new A7 bodies. Otherwise the used RX1/RX1R cameras current selling for $1,200-1,500 in great condition will be a steal....Show more →
There is reason to be optimistic about those concerns. The 30% increase in AF speed is one side of it, but the use of hybrid AF itself should give a totally different AF performance in difficult conditions.
Regarding the resolution and the lens, this is probably the reason why they skipped the 36 MP sensor and waited for the 42 MP BSI sensor. Isn't the A7r II better with short lenses than even the 24 MP A7 II?
p.16 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I agree. The borrowed hybrid AF from the A7RII should make a difference as well. I consider the A7RII AF much more reliable than the A7R's and Sony only promised 40% speed increase.
From the A7RII press release:
"More speedy AF response
Accelerated data readout (thanks to back-illuminated sensor) and the Fast Hybrid AF system raise AF speed by 40%"
p.16 #20 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Yes and the A7rII at 40 percent feels very significant . My bet it will be very good. I'm also thinking if it's pushing a 35 1.4 very well with regards to its size, weight and bulk than that same AF system should push the Sonnar 35 r2
