p.14 #1 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
curious80 wrote:
The worry about hand-holding the 42-MP sensor is somewhat amusing. How often does one take a hand-held shot and decides to make a 60x40 print out of it requiring the 42MP. The type of shots which are targeted for large output sizes like that generally take a lot more planning in terms of lighting, composition etc. At that point you are working of a tripod anyway. Maybe I am missing something but I just don't see a use case where my IQ needs are stringent enough to require 42MP of resolution and yet I am constrained to work handheld. Thats even true for 36 or 24MP sensors as well.
The other use of higher resolution is of course cropping. In that case if you say use the 1.5x crop mode, then the simple solution is to treat it as an 18MP APS-C camera, and consider the effective FL as 1.5 time the real FL and up the shitter speed as you would on an APS-C camera....Show more →
surely weddings (or other events) yield many handheld photos that get blown up big. this seems to me like it might make a pretty nice second camera for weddings if the AF is actually semi decent now.
p.14 #2 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Yeah, I could see this being a really nice environmental portrait/candids camera for weddings. Effective face/eye AF would be great for relatively fluid situations. It's also quite small and is something you could carry around the neck a whole day. Of the Sony cameras I've used/demoed, the RX1 and RX10 were the most fun for me, so these updates to the Mark II are interesting.
Like others, I still think the #1 reason to get this camera is the 35 Sonnar and would look at it as a one-of-a-kind lens that can't be found elsewhere and that comes with a 'free' body.
That said, I don't feel a burning desire to buy one. I'll wait it out a year or two. Maybe by that point they'll be down to $1500 like the new RX1s I saw in Japan earlier this year. Quite amazing to see the original model is still selling for full introductory price at B&H...!? But in a couple years I'm guessing the landscape of interesting and available high-end cameras will have evolved quite a bit, if the last few years are any indication.
p.14 #3 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
GMPhotography wrote:
[I would have no problem shooting this at 1/8th of a second handheld. I did it with Leica M all the time. Need to remember the ISO reach is far higher than the previous cam as well.
I agree with you in that I am not seeing the need for IBIS in this camera, but I think somebody could fairly point out that you didn't shoot the Leica M like this with 42 MP.
p.14 #4 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
surely weddings (or other events) yield many handheld photos that get blown up big. this seems to me like it might make a pretty nice second camera for weddings if the AF is actually semi decent now.
I've always found it a lot easier to have a second body of the same model as the first body. If that being a A7rII, I think I would buy a second one, before a RX2
Attending a wedding as a guest with the RX2 could yield some fantastic results though, but if I was planning on shooting 8-10 hours and taking thousand plus images, as I typically do at weddings, I don't think I'd enjoy using an RX as my second body.
I do admit though that I've carried my original RX1 in the bag though and used it on some engagement session photos where I wanted the 35mm FoV. I do love the way the Sonnar renders....
p.14 #6 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
millsart wrote:
I've always found it a lot easier to have a second body of the same model as the first body. If that being a A7rII, I think I would buy a second one, before a RX2
Attending a wedding as a guest with the RX2 could yield some fantastic results though, but if I was planning on shooting 8-10 hours and taking thousand plus images, as I typically do at weddings, I don't think I'd enjoy using an RX as my second body.
I do admit though that I've carried my original RX1 in the bag though and used it on some engagement session photos where I wanted the 35mm FoV. I do love the way the Sonnar renders....
i have my rx1 setup so that the controls mimic my a7. buttons are all in pretty much the same place, so it's pretty easy to switch back and forth. adding a grip to the rx1 might make the transition even more fluid, but i'd rather keep it as small as possible. having 2 identical bodies does provide much more redundancy if one fails though.
p.14 #7 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
uhoh7 wrote:
Is the manual focus as crappy as before?
The Q has proven focus by wire can still have a good feel, or so owners claim.
A nice adjustable infinity stop would help.
it's probably the same.
i don't really believe those Q owners, all the other leica focus by wire implementations suck as bad or worse than the rx1's, but i haven't gotten to try one yet.
the rx1 focus ring feels nice, it just changes throw distance depending on turn rate which is the most obnoxious thing ever when you are trying to track a moving subject. it turns out that the rx1 actually has a fully mechanical focus ring too though – the macro ring, it's just a little thin. this is what i use to chase my kids with the rx1, it fixes the issue of the camera not holding focus distance when you shut it off too.
p.14 #8 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
it's probably the same.
i don't really believe those Q owners, all the other leica focus by wire implementations suck as bad or worse than the rx1's, but i haven't gotten to try one yet.
the rx1 focus ring feels nice, it just changes throw distance depending on turn rate which is the most obnoxious thing ever when you are trying to track a moving subject. it turns out that the rx1 actually has a fully mechanical focus ring too though – the macro ring, it's just a little thin. this is what i use to chase my kids with the rx1, it fixes the issue of the camera not holding focus distance when you shut it off too.
Have you tried the X(113)? It's as good as the Q and a huge improvement over previous efforts.
Which is not to say that either of them will fool anyone into believing they aren't using a lens designed for AF, but I would put both of them a couple of steps ahead of the RX1. The T Summicron I tried out in a store appeared to be about as awful as the Sony.
p.14 #9 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I agree with Ron here, that the RXrII will be great for environmental/street/candid portraits and a great backup for weddings. I really hope the AF implementation and speed has greatly improved, as this will make a great street camera.
I never thought I would like AF again after the M9/M240 with the RF experience, but a well implemented AF that is very accurate is fun to use!
In hind sight what turned me off AF was the 5DII with the 50L, 85L as there were so many shots I just missed the critical focus needed when shooting wide open to the point where MF was faster.
With A7rII and FE 35/1.4 this camera set up it is "fun" and "enjoyable" to use. Set up for night street photography, the combo gets out of your way. Of course I wish the FE 35/1.4 was smaller and lighter but I do love the rendering.
The RX1rII with a more accurate and responsive AF will be awesome, in combo the 35 Sonnar which truly stands on its own.
Of course with the 42 MP shutter shake is a concern, but hopefully it will be like the M9 where is was possible to shoot consistently down to 1/10s with a 50mm lens. There may be excellent camera dampening that reduces the vibration particularly with the leaf shutter.
My wife uses the A7s in combo with FE 35/2.8 as she loves this setup. I may just have to upgrade her setup to the RX1rII
p.14 #10 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
freaklikeme wrote:
Have you tried the X(113)? It's as good as the Q and a huge improvement over previous efforts.
Which is not to say that either of them will fool anyone into believing they aren't using a lens designed for AF, but I would put both of them a couple of steps ahead of the RX1. The T Summicron I tried out in a store appeared to be about as awful as the Sony.
is that the newest X with the "summilux"? then, no. just the earlier X cameras.
i imagine having real distance scales and hard stops should be a significant improvement.
p.14 #11 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I really enjoy shooting with my FE 35/2.8. It's light/compact and probably one of the sharpest 35mm lens I've ever had. It's a great companion for landscapes at f/8-11. Sharp across the frame.
Bokeh is somewhat smooth at MFD but a bit harsh at medium distances. I need a faster prime for this focal length and considered the Loxia 35/2. I was impressed with the rendering and sharpness in the center but the corners disappointed me even at f/4. Bokeh wasn't better than the 35/2.8.
Currently that leaves me only one option: the FE 35/1.4 but it's heavy and bulky...(bigger than the Sigma 35/1.4 I used to own)
Does it make sense to get the RX1RII or used RX1R instead of continuing using the A7RII + 35/2.8 for that casual general photography?
p.14 #12 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Fred Miranda wrote:
I really enjoy shooting with my FE 35/2.8. It's light/compact and probably one of the sharpest 35mm lens I've ever had. It's a great companion for landscapes at f/8-11. Sharp across the frame.
Bokeh is somewhat smooth at MFD but a bit harsh at medium distances. I need a faster prime for this focal length and considered the Loxia 35/2. I was impressed with the rendering and sharpness in the center but the corners disappointed me even at f/4. Bokeh wasn't better than the 35/2.8.
Currently that leaves me only one option: the FE 35/1.4 but it's heavy and bulky...(bigger than the Sigma 35/1.4 I used to own)
Does it make sense to get the RX1RII or used RX1R instead of continuing using the A7RII + 35/2.8 for that casual general photography?...Show more →
if you like the FE 35/2.8 but find it's bokeh at medium distances too harsh, you'll probably really love the rx1 lens. it's sharper than the FE on the edges and corners at all apertures (might have a little less central bite though). it also has much smoother bokeh than the FE at medium distances (and all other distances)
the original rx1 is severely limited in its AF abilities though, so we'll have to see how much rx1rII improves on that. i suspect mass of the elements being moved might be a limiting factor.
p.14 #15 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
I think I'm the only one on this whole site who finds the Rx1 bokeh......how can I put this in a nice way.....too smooth
I like things a bit more spicy
But no question these are great cameras, if not quite perfected in some aspects. All cameras are like that, and it comes down to which aspects bug you.
p.14 #17 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
charles.K wrote:
I really hope the AF implementation and speed has greatly improved, as this will make a great street camera.
Good AF is one way to shoot street, it works for some street shooters, but a truly great street camera that works for everyone needs a truly great zone focus implementation. Habitual street shooters will regularly find themselves shooting moving strangers in very close distances with no time to stop or change anything, just framing instinctively. No AF system copes with that.
Its one of the reasons why leicas made such great street cameras, they have lenses with tabs and clear markings that are visible from any angle and distance. Changing zones was easy, accurate and fast. A nightmare with most AF cameras.
p.14 #18 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
Spyro P. wrote:
Good AF is one way to shoot street, it works for some street shooters, but a truly great street camera that works for everyone needs a truly great zone focus implementation. Habitual street shooters will regularly find themselves shooting moving strangers in very close distances with no time to stop or change anything, just framing instinctively. No AF system copes with that.
Its one of the reasons why leicas made such great street cameras, they have lenses with tabs and clear markings that are visible from any angle and distance. Changing zones was easy, accurate and fast. A nightmare with most AF cameras....Show more →
Agreed. I do think the bar is being raised, and I really hope the AF on the RX1rII is as good as the A7rII with FE 35/1.4 or better.
The zone focus works great for 35mm and less FL, but for the likes of 50's the DOF starts to become quite narrow. The 50 Cron works reasonably well, but the 50 Lux I found too narrow for zone. For zone focusing I found the 28mm to be the best IMO.
p.14 #19 · Announced: RX1R II with 42MP sensor and EVF
sebboh wrote:
the original rx1 is severely limited in its AF abilities though, so we'll have to see how much rx1rII improves on that. i suspect mass of the elements being moved might be a limiting factor.
If the improvement is as stated, 30% faster than original, then I still couldn't see it being all that quick, since 30% faster than slow does not equal fast lol
That said, the AF of the RX1 really doesn't bother me much, if at all. Its more of a "okay, ready, and smile for the camera" type of snapshot camera, opposed to a burst shooting candid machine, but for they type of shooting I'd probably want my A7rII and some other glass.
RX1 has always been my, "I"ll carry this camera with me because its not much burden and maybe I"ll take a handful of photos" type of tool. What is nice though is that while maybe I do just take one photo of a scenic, or one shot of a family member posing at dinner etc, it has the potential to be a beautiful one or two photos.
Its one giant leap up from grabbing the same photo using my iPhone (and nearly the same FoV)
