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p.49 #1Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
ecarlino wrote:
.....- the reason i'm sending this back and am going to wait to see what the Batis 18 turns out to be is - having to set the aperture to f/2.8, focus (which turned out to be a relatively painless experience with the EVF, i'm happy to say) and then having to change to the shooting aperture - what a royal pain in the arse especially how narrow the aperture ring is.
Doh! I completely missed that the Loxia doesn't have an auto aperture.
I would be fine with the MF, but that workflow seems a bit to cumbersome for me. Alternatively I would just set it at f/8 and make an Hyperfocal mark on the focus lens and be done with it.
.....- the reason i'm sending this back and am going to wait to see what the Batis 18 turns out to be is - having to set the aperture to f/2.8, focus (which turned out to be a relatively painless experience with the EVF, i'm happy to say) and then having to change to the shooting aperture - what a royal pain in the arse especially how narrow the aperture ring is.
Doh! I completely missed that the Loxia doesn't have an auto aperture.
I would be fine with the MF, but that workflow seems a bit to cumbersome for me. Alternatively I would just set it at f/8 and make an Hyperfocal mark on the focus lens and be done with it.
Mar 06, 2016 at 07:55 AM
p.49 #2Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Stoffer wrote:
Doh! I completely missed that the Loxia doesn't have an auto aperture.
I would be fine with the MF, but that workflow seems a bit to cumbersome for me. Alternatively I would just set it at f/8 and make an Hyperfocal mark on the focus lens and be done with it.
i thought that might be a possibility for me (ie setting at hyperfocal and forget about it), but i'm more of a streetscape than landscape person and i'd worry that i had bumped it just walking around or just lifting the camera to my eye or resting it in my left hand so i'd be refocusing on every shot.
for those comfortable with MF - it really is fantastic and i admire the patience/skill that results in some amazing photos with this lens.
ergonomics on lenses was never even on my radar (b/c i prefer the aperture dial on the camera and i've always used AF) - but for a lens that requires so much 'touch' they really got that part of it wrong.
ecarlino wrote
.....- the reason i'm sending this back and am going to wait to see what the Batis 18 turns out to be is - having to set the aperture to f/2.8, focus (which turned out to be a relatively painless experience with the EVF, i'm happy to say) and then having to change to the shooting aperture - what a royal pain in the arse especially how narrow the aperture ring is.I would be fine with the MF, but that workflow seems a bit to cumbersome for me. Alternatively I would just set it at f/8 and make an Hyperfocal mark on the focus lens and be done with it.
i thought that might be a possibility for me (ie setting at hyperfocal and forget about it), but i'm more of a streetscape than landscape person and i'd worry that i had bumped it just walking around or just lifting the camera to my eye or resting it in my left hand so i'd be refocusing on every shot.
for those comfortable with MF - it really is fantastic and i admire the patience/skill that results in some amazing photos with this lens.
ergonomics on lenses was never even on my radar (b/c i prefer the aperture dial on the camera and i've always used AF) - but for a lens that requires so much 'touch' they really got that part of it wrong.
Mar 06, 2016 at 08:23 AM
p.49 #3Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I put my fingers against the mount and then feel the grooves. My fingers are sort of brushing the mount as I change aperture.
-Tim
Mar 06, 2016 at 09:33 AM
p.49 #4Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
tsdevine wrote:
I put my fingers against the mount and then feel the grooves. My fingers are sort of brushing the mount as I change aperture.
-Tim
Same here regarding the aperture ring.
Also, to mount/unmount the Loxias:
Mount:
If the hood is on, just hold on the 'hood' and mount the lens.
OR
If the hood is off, bring the focusing ring to the infinity hard stop and hold on the ring as you mount.
Un-mount:
Bring the focusing ring to MFD and hold on the ring as you unmount.
I put my fingers against the mount and then feel the grooves. My fingers are sort of brushing the mount as I change aperture.
-Tim
Same here regarding the aperture ring.
Also, to mount/unmount the Loxias:
Mount:
If the hood is on, just hold on the 'hood' and mount the lens.
OR
If the hood is off, bring the focusing ring to the infinity hard stop and hold on the ring as you mount.
Un-mount:
Bring the focusing ring to MFD and hold on the ring as you unmount.
Mar 06, 2016 at 09:58 AM
p.49 #5Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
Mount:
If the hood is off, bring the focusing ring to the infinity hard stop and hold on the ring as you mount.
Un-mount:
Bring the focusing ring to MFD and hold on the ring as you unmount.
It's a noob question Fred, Will that in the long run create loosening of the focus ring/loss of proper infinity stop etc.,?
Mount:
If the hood is off, bring the focusing ring to the infinity hard stop and hold on the ring as you mount.
Un-mount:
Bring the focusing ring to MFD and hold on the ring as you unmount.
It's a noob question Fred, Will that in the long run create loosening of the focus ring/loss of proper infinity stop etc.,?
Mar 06, 2016 at 10:53 AM
p.49 #6Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
ecarlino wrote:
this is going to sound like a stupid question / point - but i've never had a MF lens before - but after reviewing all these amazing Loxia 21 photos, i thought i'd take the plunge - despite some UI concerns about the narrow aperture ring and being so close to the focus ring - which turned out to be a real pain in the ass - the reason i'm sending this back and am going to wait to see what the Batis 18 turns out to be is - having to set the aperture to f/2.8, focus (which turned...Show more →
Well, with peaking turned on (and with the possibility of focus shift as Jim Kasson has shown is more common than we thought) you might just focus at the taking aperture. If you have settings effect turned on, and peaking on, you should be able to focus plenty accurately enough for a 24mm without opening up....
this is going to sound like a stupid question / point - but i've never had a MF lens before - but after reviewing all these amazing Loxia 21 photos, i thought i'd take the plunge - despite some UI concerns about the narrow aperture ring and being so close to the focus ring - which turned out to be a real pain in the ass - the reason i'm sending this back and am going to wait to see what the Batis 18 turns out to be is - having to set the aperture to f/2.8, focus (which turned...Show more →
Well, with peaking turned on (and with the possibility of focus shift as Jim Kasson has shown is more common than we thought) you might just focus at the taking aperture. If you have settings effect turned on, and peaking on, you should be able to focus plenty accurately enough for a 24mm without opening up....
Mar 06, 2016 at 03:15 PM
p.49 #7Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I've been focusing at working aperture and focus peaking at medium. But also look for like a shimmer for lack of a better word. Also at 12x magnification as well.
Mar 06, 2016 at 03:20 PM
p.49 #8Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Have you guys notice that aperture is not fully wide-open at f/2.8? Perhaps the lens could've been a f/2.5?
Mar 06, 2016 at 03:28 PM
p.49 #9Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
Have you guys notice that aperture is not fully wide-open at f/2.8? Perhaps the lens could've been a f/2.5?
Yes, because of this it gives you starbursts even at f2.8.
Have you guys notice that aperture is not fully wide-open at f/2.8? Perhaps the lens could've been a f/2.5?
Yes, because of this it gives you starbursts even at f2.8.
Mar 06, 2016 at 04:22 PM
p.49 #10Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Jochenb wrote:
Yes, because of this it gives you starbursts even at f2.8.
Yes, I examined that too. I think, it could be even faster than f/2.5 because the sunstars are pretty well defined wide open.
Fred Miranda wrote
Have you guys notice that aperture is not fully wide-open at f/2.8? Perhaps the lens could've been a f/2.5?Yes, I examined that too. I think, it could be even faster than f/2.5 because the sunstars are pretty well defined wide open.
Mar 07, 2016 at 02:14 AM
p.49 #11Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Jannik Peters wrote:
Yes, because of this it gives you starbursts even at f2.8.Yes, I examined that too. I think, it could be even faster than f/2.5 because the sunstars are pretty well defined wide open.
I don't think it could have been usefully faster just with the aperture opening up more - the front element would need to be larger to illuminate the edges of the frame at a wider aperture.
Jochenb wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
Have you guys notice that aperture is not fully wide-open at f/2.8? Perhaps the lens could've been a f/2.5?I don't think it could have been usefully faster just with the aperture opening up more - the front element would need to be larger to illuminate the edges of the frame at a wider aperture.
Mar 07, 2016 at 04:26 AM
p.49 #12Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
How many circular filters can you stack on Loxia 21mm without black corners? Can I use Cir-PL and a thin ND for example?
Mar 07, 2016 at 05:59 AM
p.49 #13Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I believe I saw very slight hard vignetting with a Breakthrough Photography ND and CPL. I have to test further. The Breakthrough ND and Cokin Pure Harmonie CPL seemed okay though. I'll try to test sometime this week to confirm.
-Tim
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-Tim
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Mar 07, 2016 at 07:00 AM
p.49 #14Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I have to check my images I just shot last week with the CPL but I don't think I saw anything. I did have to walk into B&W buy two cheap UV filters break the glass out and use that as my hood. The metal one I bought on eBay was just slightly too long. I don't use OEM hoods on any of my lenses which are usually overkill anyway. I did use my CPL on many images with the Loxia 21,50. Ultimately the images I shot are turned into black and white and used for a slide show as I put color text and numbers as overlays on them. I'll have to do a thread on my stuff from that trip. Just have a big model shoot starting tommorrow till Friday so I'm a little tied up.
Btw love these breakthrough filters they are really good.
Btw love these breakthrough filters they are really good.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:03 AM
p.49 #15Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Okay thanks for reporting. It sounds line Zony 16-35 which only just accepts 2 ultra slims stacked via 82mm step-up ring. And even then I had to file away the threads from the other one.
OFC, step-up trick probably works okay without filing anything away with that 52mm thread.
OFC, step-up trick probably works okay without filing anything away with that 52mm thread.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:40 AM
p.49 #16Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Yea if you did a step up to say 58 or 67 you could most likely stack 2. I have step up here and some empty filters in those sizes to see if it vignettes. I'll report in a bit
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:44 AM
p.49 #17Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Okay 21mm at F5 here with Breakthrough CPL. Looks clean to me
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:51 AM
p.49 #18Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
Yea if you did a step up to say 58 or 67 you could most likely stack 2. I have step up here and some empty filters in those sizes to see if it vignettes. I'll report in a bit
I tried it with 58mm and had no luck with a stack. 67mm is probably going to work.
Yea if you did a step up to say 58 or 67 you could most likely stack 2. I have step up here and some empty filters in those sizes to see if it vignettes. I'll report in a bit
I tried it with 58mm and had no luck with a stack. 67mm is probably going to work.
Mar 07, 2016 at 08:54 AM
p.49 #19Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
67mm works . Give me a second Ill have it up
Mar 07, 2016 at 09:00 AM
p.49 #20Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
So here is the look of the setup a 52mm to 67mm step up. Now I don't have two filters but i have a hood that would be actually slightly longer than 2 filters stacked
Mar 07, 2016 at 09:03 AM