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p.12 #1Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
The Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:05 PM
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p.12 #2Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Taylor Sherman wrote:
The Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.


For me it's going further. It's making me re-think my beloved TS-E 17/4L and TS-E 24/3.5L lenses.
I know I would be trading some range and movements for a small/light lens, depending on the new Loxia 21/2.8 IQ, I may adapt to it. Till and shift are great for landscapes but there is no free lunch and both tilt and shift cause edge degradation. It was ok on 20MP sensors but now this issue is much more noticeable on 42+ MP bodies.
After that a small and well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would be a dream.
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:20 PM
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p.12 #3Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I have the VC 15 and Batis 25. They are sort of close but I'm going to squeeze that 21 in there.

This kit is looking good when the 21 comes in. My real problem is bigger than 85. I want native my only choice for that right now is the 70-200. I normally rent twice a year the 70-200 2.8 to do runway after that a simple 200 2.8 or 135 f2 would work just fine. Really a 135 which leads to either a Canon or a Sony 135 1.8 both nice lenses both need adapters. So just for a temp solution the Rokinon 135 might just work.

15,21,25,35,55,85,135 that's one heck of a kit. I've been battling this kit for almost 2 years. My A6000 backup comes Friday. I'm so close to completing this. Folks I tried just about everything in 2 years even bought that crap 24-70 twice. Some may love it but it focuses like a turtle in lower light.

Taylor the A7rII plays in a completely different league. Get one
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:25 PM
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p.12 #4Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
Taylor Sherman wroteThe Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.
For me it's going further. It's making me re-think my beloved TS-E 17/4L and TS-E 24/3.5L lenses.
I know I would be trading some range and movements for a small/light lens, depending on the new Loxia 21/2.8 IQ, I may adapt to it. Till and shift are great for landscapes but there is no free lunch and both tilt and shift cause edge degradation. It was ok on 20MP sensors but now this issue is much more noticeable on 42+ MP body.
After that a small and well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would be a dream.


Fred I had both of the TSE 17 and 24. I have to say the 16-35 even beat the 17 TSE and its just a monster to lug around and started to make little sense. 24TSE best of the lot but again it was just big to lug around. The tilt great but focus stack works great too and for landscape you can do it pretty often without wind. Honestly I think the Batis 25 smokes just about any 24/25 on the market. So now as you know I sit on the VC 15 which I really like and the Batis 25 but I know both of us have our issues with the 35 1.4 with no solutions that we want . Batis 35 f2 would work
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:33 PM
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p.12 #5Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I just bought the Rokinon 135mm and am very happy with my first outing. Sharp and contrasty from wo. Focus throw could be a little longer. Very small delta between focus and close to focus...
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:37 PM
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p.12 #6Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Yea at least until we get a AF solution I need something so the Rokinon looks like a nice low cost solution.


Thanks for that comment it helps. I have seen some really nice shots from it.
Oct 22, 2015 at 05:49 PM
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p.12 #7Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
Taylor Sherman wroteThe Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.
For me it's going further. It's making me re-think my beloved TS-E 17/4L and TS-E 24/3.5L lenses.
I know I would be trading some range and movements but depending on the quality of the new Loxia 21/2.8, I may adapt to it. Till and shift are great for landscapes but there is no free lunch and both tilt and shift cause edge degradation. It was ok on 20MP sensors but now this issue is much more noticeable on 42+ MP sensors.
After that a small and well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would be a dream.


Similar to you Fred, this Loxia is making me take a deep look whether I should stay with my ZM 15 + Kolari route (still the highest UWA performance platform to me, and still my most used lens for a year now). I have built my M-mount line-up from this ZM 15. And I thought I have nearly finished it. A small, well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would change all of that just because I can avoid the hassle of modding the cam down the road. I really wish Zeiss just hints that their next Loxia would be a 15.
Oct 22, 2015 at 06:31 PM
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p.12 #8Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Fred Miranda wrote:
Taylor Sherman wroteThe Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.
For me it's going further. It's making me re-think my beloved TS-E 17/4L and TS-E 24/3.5L lenses.
I know I would be trading some range and movements but depending on the quality of the new Loxia 21/2.8, I may adapt to it. Till and shift are great for landscapes but there is no free lunch and both tilt and shift cause edge degradation. It was ok on 20MP sensors but now this issue is much more noticeable on 42+ MP sensors.
After that a small and well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would be a dream.


I did some careful comparisons of my 17TSE and the 16 end of my 16-35 with keystone correction.
The 16 was surprisingly good even corrected, though not quite as good as the 17. But the most noticeable issue with it was I think due to the plane of focus when you point the lens up: the zone of sharpness now cuts through one plane of the building, instead of being the whole front of the building (in cases where the image is straight on, of course)

Oct 22, 2015 at 06:48 PM
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p.12 #9Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
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I have the VC 15 and Batis 25. They are sort of close but I'm going to squeeze that 21 in there.

This kit is looking good when the 21 comes in. My real problem is bigger than 85. I want native my only choice for that right now is the 70-200. I normally rent twice a year the 70-200 2.8 to do runway after that a simple 200 2.8 or 135 f2 would work just fine. Really a 135 which leads to either a Canon or a Sony 135 1.8 both nice lenses both need adapters. So just for a
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That's a great kit indeed. There is even room for the new CV10 and 12 mil lenses.
Oct 22, 2015 at 06:48 PM
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p.12 #10Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
Fred Miranda wrote
Taylor Sherman wroteThe Loxia 21 is definitely making me re-think my "will never sell the 21 Super-Elmar" stance.

It's getting tempting to change from A7-Kolari + A7ii + 21SEM to A7R2+Loxia21.
For me it's going further. It's making me re-think my beloved TS-E 17/4L and TS-E 24/3.5L lenses.
I know I would be trading some range and movements but depending on the quality of the new Loxia 21/2.8, I may adapt to it. Till and shift are great for landscapes but there is no free lunch and both tilt and shift cause edge degradation. It was ok on 20MP sensors but now this issue is much more noticeable on 42+ MP sensors.
After that a small and well corrected Loxia 15/2.8 would be a dream.
Fred I had both of the TSE 17 and 24. I have to say the 16-35 even beat the 17 TSE and its just a monster to lug around and started to make little sense. 24TSE best of the lot but again it was just big to lug around. The tilt great but focus stack works great too and for landscape you can do it pretty often without wind. Honestly I think the Batis 25 smokes just about any 24/25 on the market. So now as you know I sit on the VC 15 which I really like and the
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Honestly, my 16-35/4 does not beat my TS-E 17/4 edges at infinity. That is of course un-shifted/tilted. A small amount of shift or even 1 degree of tilt will throw the extreme edges to blurry land and only stopping to f/16 somewhat fixes it with the expense of diffraction. As I wrote, no free lunch. Focus stacking is a great alternative to tilt and I use it all the time now. Based on the MTF, it seems like the new Loxia 21/2.8 will rival the TS-E performance.

The CV15 is a great choice for landscapes and it beats my 16-35/4 center and mid frames. The only issue I have with it is the last "mm"s of extreme edges at infinity. I really like the sunstar, flare performance and rendering of this lens though. Waiting to test their new versions.
Oct 22, 2015 at 07:02 PM
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p.12 #11Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I used to carry a Canon 17 T/S and a 21mm prime (Zeiss 2.8) and I was much happier when I replaced both with Leica WATE, which I still use. The Leica covers the range well and is way lighter and smaller so my pack got lighter and smaller too. I have not regretted it but looking at MTF numbers makes me tempted by the Loxia 21 as it is small and looks really good. After WATE, I have Batis 25, FE 35/2.8 (tiny), then 55 1.8, 75 Lux, 90/2AA and then 180 and 280 mm Leixa R lenses. Am waiting for native mount fast 135. I have, but intend to sell my 70-200/4 ("sold" it 3x so far). I prefer primes for quality but WATE is a good enough zoom I make an exception for it.
Oct 22, 2015 at 10:21 PM
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p.12 #12Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
^ I second that. I sold my CV15 vIII, CV21/1.8, and Batis 25 shortly after I got my WATE for a smoking deal. It handles my wide-angle shots beautifully. I absolutely love the rendering and colors. There may be alternatives, including the new Loxia 21, that offer better correction or sharpness, but replacing a 335-gram 16-21mm zoom is a near impossible proposition for someone that prefers to travel light.

I also carry the 90AA, and when my 35-70mm zoom (RX1R II) gets here, my 2kg lightweight kit will be complete.
Oct 22, 2015 at 11:47 PM
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p.12 #13Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I stopped by the Zeiss booth at PhotoPlus in New York City yesterday. and had a look at the new Loxia 21mm f2.8. I mentioned to the Rep that we on FM were pleased with the improved performance of the lens over the previous 35mm and 50mm Loxia lenses. The Rep indicated that the new Loxia was designed from the ground up while the previous 2 lenses were made from modified versions of the M versions of the lenses so they do not perform as well. He indicated that future Loxia lenses will also be made and designed from the ground up. The new 21mm lens will be available in December.

Now for the bad news for those hoping for more Loxia lenses, Zeiss is going to wait for the response and sales of the Loxia 21mm. He indicated that there will probably only be one or possibly 2 additional Loxia lenses to be announced and released for 2016. So, this could be a very slow and painful wait for those wanting the smaller and lighter MF lenses for their Sony FE A7 series cameras.

I apologized to the Zeiss Rep when I took my Leica M WATE out for comparison in size. His comment was that the WATE was not a bad lens, but the 21mm f2.8 Loxia was new and just out. He also noted the large size of the filter/adapter (67mm) that I had attached to the lens. I indicated that the adapter with the 67mm thread size was needed to cover the 16mm setting for the lens and that when the adapter was removed the lens was much smaller. As to the size and the weight comparison, the WATE is smaller and lighter (I believe even for weight I believe when using the adapter to the E mount Sony cameras). I also mentioned to the Zeiss Rep that though the 21mmm Loxia may perform better, I had purchased the WATE last year and I just returned from taking photos in Shenandoah NP and the Loxia 21mm would not have been sufficient for my latest shooting of Dark Hollow Falls. I did not mention the following information to the Rep, but I will share it with you. It had rained 16" several weeks back and water was quite high for this time of year. The Water Fall and the stream/river were flowing fairly quickly. I first took my photos of Dark Hollow Falls in 1992 with my Linhof Super Technika 4" X 5" camera with my Rodenstock 90mm f6.8 Grandagon N MC lens on Fujichrome 50 film. The exposure at that time was 6 seconds and we were still trying to figure out the reciprocity for the recently introduced film. For that photo which was taken in early May the photo was taken at the base of the pool below the waterfall with a large rock in the lower right corner of the image with mosses and lichens. The rock was maybe 4 to 5 feet from the camera lens. I photographed this again in later May of this year with my tripod mounted A7r and the WATE. In the vertical orientation I took the image set at 21mm and in both the vertical and horizontal orientation at 18mm. In May of 2015 the water of the Water Fall and the stream/river were much lower and I included the same rock in the image. But, when I took the photo of the water fall Monday, October 19 of this week I had much less room to work with and took the image in the Vertical orientation set at 21mm and in the horizontal orientation and included the same rock. When I switched to the horizontal orientation, I had to switch to the 18mm setting to include the top of the 60+ foot water fall from base at the bottom of the pool and included the rock without tilting the camera. Had I not done that I could have fallen into the stream/river and be swept or rolled down stream.

So, you can't always take that step forward or backward in some instances. In order to take that same image I could have had I had and owned the FE 16-35mm zoom but this option would have been still larger, bulkier, and heavier than the weight.

So, as I mentioned to the Zeiss Rep, these are a fine lenses but they can't fit all needs.

Rich

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Oct 23, 2015 at 07:47 AM
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p.12 #14Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Someone at that show please get in Zeiss ear Batis 35 F2 , 135 f2 or even 2.8 , 180 or 200 2.8, Loxia 15mm 3.5

These are serious needs we need them today especially the Batis 35 and 135.

I wish I was there, I would be pounding this in.
Oct 23, 2015 at 08:08 AM
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p.12 #15Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
Someone at that show please get in Zeiss ear Batis 35 F2 , 135 f2 or even 2.8 , 180 or 200 2.8, Loxia 15mm 3.5

These are serious needs we need them today especially the Batis 35 and 135.

I wish I was there, I would be pounding this in.


I asked the Zeiss Rep yesterday about adding telephoto lenses longer than 135mm to their range of lenses. He indicated that they were considering it. But, had no other input than that.

Rich
Oct 23, 2015 at 08:10 AM
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p.12 #16Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
Good. They need to be listening to us end users
Oct 23, 2015 at 08:25 AM
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p.12 #17Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I'm starting to "worry" that I'm more of a prime guy that I previously thought.

I love shooting with the FE 35mm f/1.4 but somehow the FE 16-35mm feels more like a sensible workhorse than an emotionally enjoyable lens. The image quality is high no doubt, but I'm starting to think that the Loxia 21mm f/2.8 could offer more of a love affair. Hmmm....
Oct 23, 2015 at 08:47 AM
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p.12 #18Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
I think the Loxia 21 is a prime example of what serious shooters want in there bag. Great performance at a decent cost, small, light and very easy to travel with.

Size I know many people make big issues out of this and not on purpose but I bought what I needed without regard to size and weight. I need what I need and that's all there is to it. But along the way my bags have gotten a lot smaller, I mean a lot small. I actually consider the two Batis lenses smallish but there very light more importantly. The biggest lens I have is the 35 1.4 now it's big and heavy but considering the other 5 lenses I have are small and light it's not such a big deal.

I just bought a TT Glass taxi from a forum member . I got my whole kit in this bag and that's pretty amazing and I have a open slot to boot. Coming from Nikon I could have never gotten 6 lenses in a bag like this. Never
Oct 23, 2015 at 09:06 AM
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p.12 #19Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
GMPhotography wrote:
I think the Loxia 21 is a prime example of what serious shooters want in there bag. Great performance at a decent cost, small, light and very easy to travel with.

Size I know many people make big issues out of this and not on purpose but I bought what I needed without regard to size and weight. I need what I need and that's all there is to it. But along the way my bags have gotten a lot smaller, I mean a lot small. I actually consider the two Batis lenses smallish but there very light more importantly.
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I just brought this home yesterday from Mind Shift Gear (TT sister company) in the Green from Photo Plus.

http://www.mindshiftgear.com/products/backlight-26l

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Oct 23, 2015 at 09:11 AM
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p.12 #20Zeiss Unveils the Loxia 21mm f/2.8
They are really nice bags. Little big for my needs but if you can't it all in there than you got a serious GAS issue. Lol
Oct 23, 2015 at 09:24 AM
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