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Build Quality
The Milvus 50 feels very solid, nearly everything is made from metal, markings are engraved and filled with paint. The hood is heavy and made from metal as well, only the locking mechanism of the hood is made from plastics.

Focus and aperture ring show zero play.

Size, Weight and Handling
Wow, this is a massive lens! My a7 looks quite tiny on it:


Here is a reasonably sized lens for comparison:


It isn't well balanced on my a7, my L-bracket helps a bit but I am constantly aware of the size and weight. It's not that ergonomics are actually bad, the lens works fine on my a7 but the camera draws my attention much more than when I have a smaller and lighter lens like the Loxia 2/50 mounted.

The focusing ring is grippy enough but the resistance is higher than I like it, the Loxia 2/50 is about perfect in this regard and very smooth.

With the aperture ring it's the other way round, the Loxia offers more resistance than the Milvus but I think the aperture of the Milvus is a bit too easy to change, the Loxia's resistance feels just right to me. The Loxia stops down in 1/3 steps to f/22, the Milvus in half steps to f/16.






Oct 08, 2015 at 10:44 AM
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Image Quality

Vignetting

I think this is a good performance for a fast normal lens.

The Loxia isn't as well behaved in this regard:


Defocus Color Fringing
Here you see clearly why this lens isn't a member of the Otus family:

Milvus 1.4/50 | f/1.4 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

Milvus 1.4/50 | f/2 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

The Loxia isn't any better though:
Loxia 2/50 | f/2.0 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr






Oct 08, 2015 at 10:54 AM
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Sharpness
Because the weather is absolutely awful here I didn't get the chance to do any infinity testing, this will be added on Monday.

I guess it's safe to say that this is a very sharp lens:
Milvus 1.4/50 | f/1.4 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

100% crop:


and some more 100% crops:







Oct 08, 2015 at 11:11 AM
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Bokeh
Have I mentioned the lousy weather yet?

I didn't use it in a wide range of conditions but what I have seen so for looked really good:
Milvus 1.4/50 | f/1.4 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

Milvus 1.4/50 | f/2 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr

Loxia 2/50 | f/2 by Phillip Reeve Data, on Flickr



Oct 08, 2015 at 11:14 AM
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p.1 #5 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Thanks Phillip, very helpful!


Oct 08, 2015 at 11:30 AM
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philber wrote:
Thanks Phillip, very helpful!


+1! Thank you very much for doing this!




Oct 08, 2015 at 11:48 AM
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p.1 #7 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


This is great, thanks for posting this. I'm interested in the Loxia but I have to say that the bokeh looks much, much better on the Milvus.


Oct 08, 2015 at 12:30 PM
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p.1 #8 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Thanks for the interesting thread. Amazing how sharp the Milvus is @ 1.4

I'm seeing more dof on the f/2 shot with the Loxia, any idea how this happened?



Oct 08, 2015 at 12:55 PM
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mcj0000 wrote:
This is great, thanks for posting this. I'm interested in the Loxia but I have to say that the bokeh looks much, much better on the Milvus.


I'm not that impressed by the background OOF rendering in the images above. Sharp subject, ugly background screaming for attention. I guess I've better stay away from the Loxia. But wth... I also prefer the 50Lux bokeh to the 55mm Otus bokeh.
OTOH, I like the fact that we all are different and that there are several lens options available.

And, a big Thank you! to Phillip.



Oct 08, 2015 at 01:17 PM
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p.1 #10 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Thank you for the comparisons.

Resolution at 1.4 is impressive.

I am not familiar with Otus look, so Milvus looks plenty good. Bokeh does not bother me. ( subjective ) I noticed Milvus has a little bit warmer rendition compare to Loxia. Loxia feels like Sony family. ( no idea who makes it )




Oct 08, 2015 at 01:32 PM
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p.1 #11 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Loxia are made by Cosina, who also make the other Z* lenses for Zeiss


Oct 08, 2015 at 01:38 PM
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p.1 #12 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Interesting. I belive Milvus is also Cosina. So, it is the spec difference ( possibly).


Oct 08, 2015 at 01:44 PM
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p.1 #13 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


The two lenses are different designs, Luka. Loxia 50mm f:2.0 is a Planar, Milvus 50mm f:1.4 is a Distagon.


Oct 08, 2015 at 01:46 PM
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p.1 #14 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


akul wrote:
Thank you for the comparisons.

Resolution at 1.4 is impressive.

I am not familiar with Otus look, so Milvus looks plenty good. Bokeh does not bother me. ( subjective ) I noticed Milvus has a little bit warmer rendition compare to Loxia. Loxia feels like Sony family. ( no idea who makes it )



perhaps it's just white balance differences?




Oct 08, 2015 at 02:18 PM
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p.1 #15 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


I don't want to be that guy, but the results don't look that sharp to me. I downloaded and looked at the original JPEG of the flower with the water beads off Flickr so there shouldn't be any weird processing going on. Were these straight conversions, or did you apply any sharpening to them?

edit: OK, the f/2 photos are significantly sharper than the f/1.4s, and the flower was in a corner, so many mitigating factors.

Edited on Oct 08, 2015 at 02:42 PM · View previous versions



Oct 08, 2015 at 02:37 PM
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p.1 #16 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


WB was the same. I will have ab closer look at color differences. I was a bit surprised as well about how noteable the difference is in these images. I think I will have to do a similar test with another light source to rule out that the lamps my cheap softboxes are the reson for the difference.


Oct 08, 2015 at 02:38 PM
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p.1 #17 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Andre Y wrote:
I don't want to be that guy, but the results don't look that sharp to me. I downloaded and looked at the original JPEG of the flower with the water beads off Flickr so there shouldn't be any weird processing going on. Were these straight conversions, or did you apply any sharpening to them?

edit: OK, the f/2 photos are significantly sharper than the f/1.4s, and the flower was in a corner, so many mitigating factors.


that looks very sharp to me for a corner at f/1.4, dof is also very small of course. most 50/1.4 lenses would look much worse with the subject that far in the corner at f/1.4. obviously you would expect an f/5.6 corner crop to be much sharper and have the whole flower in focus.



Oct 08, 2015 at 02:46 PM
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Andre Y wrote:
I don't want to be that guy, but the results don't look that sharp to me. I downloaded and looked at the original JPEG of the flower with the water beads off Flickr so there shouldn't be any weird processing going on. Were these straight conversions, or did you apply any sharpening to them?

That image was sharpened a bit. For a 1.4/50 thats really good in my experience. Sure thats not as sharp as it gets but compared with other lenses it's quite remarkable.

I also ran a Canon nFD 1.4/50 (my sharpest fast 50mm) and C/Y 1.4/50 in that test with the Minolta cameras and even in the center the difference was huge.



Oct 08, 2015 at 02:52 PM
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p.1 #19 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


thanks for the review, truly helpful!

now any chance you doing the 85 milvus??



Oct 08, 2015 at 03:40 PM
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p.1 #20 · Zeiss Milvus 1.4/50 (and Loxia 2/50) Rolling Impressions


Looks decently sharp, but that CA is atrocious!


Oct 08, 2015 at 05:01 PM
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