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p.1 #1 · My review of the a7RII (with lots of tips and mentions of electronic 3-axis gimbal stablizers)


I've had the Sony a7RII for about a month now, and here my review of it: http://www.ethereality.info/ethereality_website/about_me/wordpress/?p=2518

Included are lots of tips for working around the limitations/problems of the a7RII, as well as cover the option of adding electronic 3-axis gimbal stabilizers.



Sep 24, 2015 at 05:25 PM
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Great review and I agree with your findings as well. I have the 55 too, and love that lens, so sharp and light ! I am also selling off my canon gear as I just love the sony A7R2! Your wife is lovely BTW . Thank you for sharing !


Sep 25, 2015 at 02:19 AM
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How crazy is it that Sony saves the user settings to the memory card?! I couldn't believe they do that with A7s and they keep doing it now with the Mark 2's.

I format my card every night when I transfer the photos to my computer and every day when I start shooting I need to take the AF from the shutter button, for example.

You pay thousands of dollars for a camera and they couldn't spend a couple of bucks on some internal memory for this.

Also the custom functions seem to still not cover everything they should. Again, not enough memory on the camera for that.



Sep 25, 2015 at 03:02 AM
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p.1 #4 · My review of the a7RII (with lots of tips and mentions of electronic 3-axis gimbal stablizers)


You list two "Reasons to upgrade from 5DMK3" that I find odd:

-No articulated LCD (a7RII has tilt screen)

-No touchscreen (a7RII doesn’t have it either)"

If neither has an articulating screen then why mention it? Maybe just say it has a tilt screen instead of beating around the bush. An articulating screen would be 2x better for my uses.

Neither has a touchscreen, OK. How can that be a reason?

Also, you fail to list some of the main reasons to keep a 5DIII. Lens selection and prices have to be a big plus for Canon. It's not just about one or two f/2.8 zooms. There are many more lenses at all focal lengths. There are also some real values, which can't be found in Sony/Zeiss. The examples of your wife are pretty enough, but the Zeiss 55/1.2 and Sony 24-70/4 don't seem to be the best tools for that.

I'm also seeing a lot of bad color and some posterization in the shadows and highlights on the skin. I think the Canon is better for skin tones. I often wonder how much of the bad color/posterization is due to the lossy compression. I see it all the time in the sky of my landscape pics from my A7R during moderate PP. I didn't have the same issue with Canon files, and my Samsung NX500 doesn't have the issue. If it's not due to lossy compression then maybe internal Sony processing.



Sep 25, 2015 at 03:31 AM
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p.1 #5 · My review of the a7RII (with lots of tips and mentions of electronic 3-axis gimbal stablizers)


Fully agreed the APS-C 'crop' mode should def. be assignable to a custom button.


Sep 25, 2015 at 04:43 AM
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pdmphoto wrote:
You list two "Reasons to upgrade from 5DMK3" that I find odd:

-No articulated LCD (a7RII has tilt screen)

-No touchscreen (a7RII doesn’t have it either)"

If neither has an articulating screen then why mention it? Maybe just say it has a tilt screen instead of beating around the bush. An articulating screen would be 2x better for my uses.

Neither has a touchscreen, OK. How can that be a reason?

Also, you fail to list some of the main reasons to keep a 5DIII. Lens selection and prices have to be a big plus for Canon. It's not just about one or two f/2.8
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The review I posted was originally just a list of pros and cons and things to consider for myself, during the period when I was tyring to decide whether to buy the a7RII. That is why all the reason for why I want to upgrade and what features I want to keep are listed in full, regardless if the a7RII was able to fulfill every single one of them. I was simply tallying up the points of pros and cons and then trying to make a final decision.

While lenses do make a difference, and I really struggled with the compromise of only having f/4 in all the native E-mount full-frame lenses, in the end, the pros outweighed the cons for me. There is no other full-frame camera of similar size/weight that's available from any other company. As much as I had looked forward to the 5D Mark IV, I know it's not going to miraculously become smaller and lighter, or offer tilted LCD, or have fast AF in live view, or have Sony sensor's dymnamic range or high ISO performance, even if it'll have other upgraded features I'd be interested in. That is why I didn't wait for the 5D Mark IV to be announced and went ahead and switched to Sony. The future of cameras is mirrorless IMO, and I got a taste of it with the E-M1, and I realized I prefer the mirrorless experience over the DSLR experience. Now I'm 100% mirrorless.

I think the 55mm f/1.8 is just fine for shooting full to half-figure, up to a bust crop shot. Any closer than that and distortion will start to become more noticeable. I might get the Zeiss Batis 85mm f/1.8 at some point, but for now, I can use the Super 35 mode and turn the 55mm f/1.8 into an 82.5mm f/2.6, which is pretty good.

The 24-70 f/4 isn't as bad as some people say it is, and for outdoors where there's enough separation of subject and background, I think f/4 can work quite well for shallow DOF. Indoors and low light is a bit of a problem though, which is why when/if Sony releases a f/2.8 version, I'd be first in line to get it.

I'm not sure what you mean by a lot of bad colors and posterization. Maybe it's the way I push the RAW files during processing that you don't like, and not the fault of the camera?



Sep 25, 2015 at 04:48 AM
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p.1 #7 · My review of the a7RII (with lots of tips and mentions of electronic 3-axis gimbal stablizers)


pdmphoto wrote:
You list two "Reasons to upgrade from 5DMK3" that I find odd:

-No articulated LCD (a7RII has tilt screen)

-No touchscreen (a7RII doesn’t have it either)"

If neither has an articulating screen then why mention it? Maybe just say it has a tilt screen instead of beating around the bush. An articulating screen would be 2x better for my uses.

Neither has a touchscreen, OK. How can that be a reason?

Also, you fail to list some of the main reasons to keep a 5DIII. Lens selection and prices have to be a big plus for Canon. It's not just about one or two f/2.8
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Nope the posterization is caused by post processing. Sometimes by the RAW converter, sometimes by the user. It is a colour space issue. It is not caused by lossy compression. See the recent posts by the Suede in another thread in which he explains this in more detail.

This is now a lot easier to examine as the new firmware allows you to shoot in uncompressed RAW. The same posterization effects can occur with uncompressed RAW so it isn't the compression.



Sep 25, 2015 at 05:29 AM
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p.1 #8 · My review of the a7RII (with lots of tips and mentions of electronic 3-axis gimbal stablizers)


Are you sure thats right? I format the card (in the camera) each time I download and I haven't had to redo any of my custom settings.

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How crazy is it that Sony saves the user settings to the memory card?! I couldn't believe they do that with A7s and they keep doing it now with the Mark 2's.

I format my card every night when I transfer the photos to my computer and every day when I start shooting I need to take the AF from the shutter button, for example.

You pay thousands of dollars for a camera and they couldn't spend a couple of bucks on some internal memory for this.

Also the custom functions seem to still not cover everything they should. Again, not enough memory
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Sep 25, 2015 at 07:21 AM
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I'm no prude, but something about those images really bothers me. They feel uncomfortable, like mock voyeurism, or something, in direction (clothing/pose choice) and composition. The unease, mind you, is emotional/autonomic, not analytical.

I suspect beyond composition, it also has to do with the color/lighting: there are a lot of non-organic purples and blues, and what looks like heavy noise reduction or skin smoothing, which give an under-fluorescent, seedy tinge. It feels very forced to me, and though I know the images to be totally voluntary between subject and photographer-- to me they feel very objectified, dark, and uncomfortable. This probably contributes to my unease when seeing the images.

I don't think I'd characterize the AF trouncing the 5dmk3 by any measure of the imagination in low light. My 5D2 feels about as fast, or faster than my A7rII in dimly lit situations (unscientifically); at most I'd say they are in the same general spot.

I don't really get the point of using crop mode with a FF lens like the 55FE for stills; you give yourself more flexibility shooting it in FF, visualizing where ~85mm framing would be, and cropping in post. Cropping in camera forces you to have only 18mp and smaller as options (it provides a small benefit in seeing/composing, but nothing you can't learn to do while preserving your options in FF mode).

Aside: Pretty sure I just formatted my card and retained all my settings. I even switched between NTSC and PAL after the formatting and retained settings. Hmm.



Sep 25, 2015 at 07:58 AM
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I have no experience with any of those two cameras, either A7RII nor 5dmk3.
But, I exchanged a few emials with a guy who is selling a7rii right now (locally here). I asked him how good really AF on that camera is. This is what he answered to me.
"My 5diii destroyed it....but had low dynamic range. A7rii hdr off one picture compares to 5diii three exposure hdr"
I am confused with this review stating that is actually opposite, so confusing.



Sep 25, 2015 at 08:21 AM
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hmm, nsfw


Sep 25, 2015 at 08:26 AM
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I won't comment on the pictures . But as far as AF concerned in terms of speed and accuracy for still photography of both the A7r II and 5D Mark III, they are close. None strikes or struck me as "destroying/trouncing" the other. I didn't do any direct comparison since my I sold my 5D Mark III long before I received the A7r II. Of course, the A7r II has a fancier AF features, such as eye AF, face detection AF, etc., which lack from the 5D Mark III.


Sep 25, 2015 at 08:58 AM
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With recent updates to the Metabones IV and the FW by Sony, on a number of Canon lenses, I get as fast a focus as my 5DIII for all practical purposes. The 135L, which didn't work at all at first is not fast and spot on as is the 35L. The 24-70L II is great.

When I reformat, which I do every time I offload images, I don't lose my custom setting.

Good review, thank you.



Sep 25, 2015 at 01:48 PM
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justruss wrote:
I'm no prude, but something about those images really bothers me. They feel uncomfortable, like mock voyeurism, or something, in direction (clothing/pose choice) and composition. The unease, mind you, is emotional/autonomic, not analytical.

I suspect beyond composition, it also has to do with the color/lighting: there are a lot of non-organic purples and blues, and what looks like heavy noise reduction or skin smoothing, which give an under-fluorescent, seedy tinge. It feels very forced to me, and though I know the images to be totally voluntary between subject and photographer-- to me they feel very objectified, dark, and uncomfortable. This
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I guess you dislike glamour/fashion photography in general?

The whole point of glamour/fashion is to capture and express allure, and I'm influenced by that in the casual portrait and candids I shoot of my wife. I've been shooting in that style ever since I first picked up a camera, and I've been a fan of glamour/fashion photography long before I picked up a camera. I like other types of photography too (journalism, fine art, abstract, etc.), and I shoot other styles sometimes too. It just happens that I enjoy shooting my wife more than anything else, and she happens to be very photogenic and enjoys the attention I lavish on her.

She's very comfortable in front of the camera because she was an actress and model in her youth, but more importantly, she's very comfortable in front of my camera, because we have an amazing marriage and she's so used to having a camera around her 24/7 for the last 14 years. It's one of the really fun aspects of our relationship and brings us a lot of joy. What you don't see from the photos is us goofling around while I'm taking the photos, her making funny faces and dorky gestures, the hilarious conversations we have, etc. To us, it's like two children having fun together.

She doesn't feel objectified and she shares the photos with her friends and families. She's a bit more conservative in how she curates them on her end, but only because her social circle in China is much more conservative than my social circle of westerners. Otherwise she's fine with photography of feminine allure and she enjoys looking at glamour/fashion photography herself. When we go out, she would point out really beautiful women to me if I wasn't paying attention, which is very different from what a lot of women are like--those who would get upset at their husbands looking at other women. She's confident enough and trusts me enough to not feel threatened at all, and in the past she used to assist me when I took glamour/fashion photos of other women, and she would keep an eye out for beautiful women for me to photograph such as friends and relatives she thinks are very photogenic.

As you can see, your feelings reflect your own values and your assumptions, but in reality, how my wife and I feel about the photos we take is very different. We're just having fun and it's a part of our relationship we really enjoy.

Regarding the colors--I tend to like a bit more stylized and saturated colors, and again, that's part of the influence from glamour/fashion photography--especially Japanese gravura photography. But I love B/W too, and sometimes muted colors--it depends on the situation. Also, if you're using a web browser that does not have color management feature, you'll see much more saturated colors than what the photos actually look like. If that's the case, try a web browser that has color management: http://www.color-management-guide.com/web-browser-color-management.html

The AF of the a7RII will only trounce the 5DMKIII when it's extremely dark and forces the a7rII to use its AF illuminator, and it's only when the 5DMKIII does not have a flash attached and cannot use AF assist illumination from the flash that the a7RII wins. I explained this in the review--I'm not sure why you guys missed it.

Using the Super 35 crop mode is just more intuitive when composing the shot, that's all. I can certainly just shoot wider and crop later, but it feels less immediate to me in the moment of the shot.

When you formatted your card, you retained all of your settings in the memory slots 1, 2, M1, M2, M3, M4? Or are you talking about the general settings in the menu? If you're seeing all the memory slot settings reserved, then this is something I'll need to investigate because when I posted about this in other forums, everyone agreed it should be fixed and they all had the same problem.

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cvrle59 wrote:
I have no experience with any of those two cameras, either A7RII nor 5dmk3.
But, I exchanged a few emials with a guy who is selling a7rii right now (locally here). I asked him how good really AF on that camera is. This is what he answered to me.
"My 5diii destroyed it....but had low dynamic range. A7rii hdr off one picture compares to 5diii three exposure hdr"
I am confused with this review stating that is actually opposite, so confusing.


See my reply above about the AF assist illuminator.

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JimUe wrote:
hmm, nsfw


I can add a "slightly NSFW" warning, but objectively, the photos don't show more than what the average entertainment/media website will show even in just their sidebar links to articles or ads. But I suppose you shouldn't be looking at those entertainment/media sites while at work either.



Sep 25, 2015 at 01:57 PM
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Hmmm you should not be losing your custom settings. I'm wonder in your memory M1,M2 you are actually saving it or just setting it up but not saving.

The images are nice , your wife is very pretty and some nice shots. Color is a little different but that's you and your style. Which is fine but not really representing accurate color out if camera. Not sure why folks don't understand that. It's your creative pursuit which does not always jive with technical folks. I get it have fun enjoy you photography and more important enjoy your relationship . That part is nice to hear



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The memory card statement is easily proved wrong. Take the card out and check your custom settings. Guess what - They are still there!!!

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I was thinking M1 and M2 you have to save them I thought. I don't use them per say but I thought you set them up but you have to hit something to actually save it.


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GMPhotography wrote:
Hmmm you should not be losing your custom settings. I'm wonder in your memory M1,M2 you are actually saving it or just setting it up but not saving.

The images are nice , your wife is very pretty and some nice shots. Color is a little different but that's you and your style. Which is fine but not really representing accurate color out if camera. Not sure why folks don't understand that. It's your creative pursuit which does not always jive with technical folks. I get it have fun enjoy you photography and more important enjoy your relationship . That
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I just tried it again, and M1-M4 memory slots will be deleted (becomes blank) when you format the card in-camera, but slot 1 and 2 remains.

I'm guessing the M stands for "memory," as in stored on the "memory card"? Slot 1 and 2 does not have the "M" designation, so they're stored in-camera?

And thanks for the kind words. It's a big world and there are all kinds of people with different tastes and values and cultural background, so it's natural that we don't all agree, even when among people who share similar passions. But as long as we have mutual respect and empathy, everything will be fine.



Sep 25, 2015 at 02:29 PM
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xpfloyd wrote:
He has posted the same thing on POTN here - http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1440773 - and I told him that this is misinformation but no response. Hes now posted this review on FM and POTN saying the same thing again.

The memory card statement is easily proved wrong. Take the card out and check your custom settings. Guess what - They are still there!!!


So if you reformat your SD card in-camera, your M1-M4 settings are all intact? Slot 1 and 2 should remain since those don't have the M designation, but M1-M4 will be deleted if you reformat your card in-camera. It's like that on my end with the multiple SD cards I've tried.




Sep 25, 2015 at 02:35 PM
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Yea I knew slot 1 and 2 did not change but never tried m1-m4. Have to try it and see.



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