Beni wrote:
It's a pain in the neck. 3 button presses. Just as much a pain with my A7r. Shouldn't be necessary but then Sony do menus by committee rather than asking someone who actually uses the camera.
Hmm . . . I press one of my buttons 2 times to get to 12.5x and it takes way less than a second.
EDIT: Sorry, yes it is 3 button presses. Once to initiate MF assist so that you can move the box around, then two more to get to 12.5x. Still three quick presses - less than a second - and you are at 12.5x.
I'm used to a 2-button press in A7R, however I"m not entirely used to unsharp, blocky, heavily compressed quality of the image displayed in the EVF (even at 12.5, set to High Quality mode). It's not as apparent during the day, but shooting at night makes focusing harder as there aren't really any hard edges to find.
jhinkey wrote:
Hmm . . . I press one of my buttons 2 times to get to 12.5x and it takes way less than a second.
EDIT: Sorry, yes it is 3 button presses. Once to initiate MF assist so that you can move the box around, then two more to get to 12.5x. Still three quick presses - less than a second - and you are at 12.5x.
It certainly would be a nice idea if Sony let us adjust that in the menu's to got directly to lets say 12.5 and skip the 5x. Or whatever you like. My theory is this . I love the options but I also love the option to turn things off and to adjust them to taste.
I think we all can agree on this function right here is a PITA
I think their EVF would be a lot more useful if it had a PIP like mode where you saw your full screen size on one side of the screen and the zoomed value on another side it would make things a lot more useful for non landscape style shooting.
What is annoying about this piece is that its nothing but software that they need to change to make it happen.
davewolfs wrote:
I think their EVF would be a lot more useful if it had a PIP like mode where you saw your full screen size on one side of the screen and the zoomed value on another side it would make things a lot more useful for non landscape style shooting.
What is annoying about this piece is that its nothing but software that they need to change to make it happen.
secondclaw wrote:
I'm used to a 2-button press in A7R, however I"m not entirely used to unsharp, blocky, heavily compressed quality of the image displayed in the EVF (even at 12.5, set to High Quality mode). It's not as apparent during the day, but shooting at night makes focusing harder as there aren't really any hard edges to find.
I just don't see that in mine and I'm very picky about manual focusing with my legacy glass. There must be a settings difference between various people's A7RII's.
davewolfs wrote:
I think their EVF would be a lot more useful if it had a PIP like mode where you saw your full screen size on one side of the screen and the zoomed value on another side it would make things a lot more useful for non landscape style shooting.
What is annoying about this piece is that its nothing but software that they need to change to make it happen.
Yes, a PIP-like ability would be very welcomed for non-landscape (more candid type) shooting.
Software/UI of their cameras, as I've said in other posts, is one of the major areas that Sony needs to drastically improve upon. I liken it to their cameras being designed and integrated by engineers (I'm an engineer so I can make this criticism) who are not photographers at all and thus don't know how the whole package needs to smoothly work together - software & hardware.
secondclaw wrote:
I'm used to a 2-button press in A7R, however I"m not entirely used to unsharp, blocky, heavily compressed quality of the image displayed in the EVF (even at 12.5, set to High Quality mode). It's not as apparent during the day, but shooting at night makes focusing harder as there aren't really any hard edges to find.
I noticed that too when i was focusing in a dark scene. Hard lines were really blotchy. I can't remember if i had this on the a7r. But as i was so surprised to see that i cannot believe the a7r had this.
jhinkey wrote:
I liken it to their cameras being designed and integrated by engineers (I'm an engineer so I can make this criticism) who are not photographers at all and thus don't know how the whole package needs to smoothly work together - software & hardware.
Yes. This. So many times this.
People keep saying we should forgiven Sony for some ridiculous mistakes because of these being their first (now second) generation of cameras (nevermind the 187 iterations of the NEX). Except, many of the mistakes have nothing to do with the new technology. Many of them, like the ridiculous ergonomics, were solved by CaNikon long ago. All they had to do was look at those cameras or have any half-witted photographer test their products for ten minutes.
Well, at least Sony's notion of ergonomic controls is consistent: half the A7x buttons come from the 30-year old Walkman parts bin. My copy of the D-25 worked on my desk for 20 years, so I know exactly how those little metal buttons feel:
People keep saying we should forgiven Sony for some ridiculous mistakes because of these being their first (now second) generation of cameras (nevermind the 187 iterations of the NEX). Except, many of the mistakes have nothing to do with the new technology. Many of them, like the ridiculous ergonomics, were solved by CaNikon long ago. All they had to do was look at those cameras or have any half-witted photographer test their products for ten minutes.
Yes, but you get 10 photographer together and you'll ger 10 different opinions of what is the right way. After all I hear so many complaints by photographers saying the other cameras whether it be Canon, Nikon or say Fuji ergonomics just suck I'd they would never use it.
chez wrote:
Yes, but you get 10 photographer together and you'll ger 10 different opinions of what is the right way. After all I hear so many complaints by photographers saying the other cameras whether it be Canon, Nikon or say Fuji ergonomics just suck I'd they would never use it.
I'd agree, but if you then change the question and ask those same 10 photographers which ergonomic setup they could live with you'll separate the truly horrible ergonomics vs those that just need some tweaking.
I'm coming from a huge OVF in the Canon EOS-1D X, so I was a bit anxious about going to be using the EVF in the a7rII, but I have been pleasantly surprised.
I know it is a matter of taste - maybe even acquired taste?! - but I find it good enough and it obviously brings features to the table that you won't have with a OVF. The High setting does give a more detailed view, but I assume it uses more energy and might have a slower refresh rate?
chez wrote:
Yes, but you get 10 photographer together and you'll ger 10 different opinions of what is the right way. After all I hear so many complaints by photographers saying the other cameras whether it be Canon, Nikon or say Fuji ergonomics just suck I'd they would never use it.
Actually, no you won't get 10 completely different opinions - sure they will be slightly different, but they will quickly identify poor external controls placement, poor UI, poor software functionality, etc. I put it down to either poor management or they are under such a schedule crunch that they don't have time to work these things out - just get it out the door mentality.
and why is the Sony Playmemories remote control app limited to the few functions that allow "snapshots" but lack bracketing and control of other functions that would make remote shooting with Sony cameras robust like the remote software for Canikon? And why does Sony make it so difficult for 3rd parties so there is no CamRanger for the A7x series?
Canon and Nikon have mature pro remote software and I can only wish for something for my A7R.
