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Archive 2015 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Jeffrey wrote:
Good report Stan. I want to see how the entire bracket fits, not just the cable access area, thus my comment. No offense, but the title made me expect more.

Well you got your wish - or at least the best I am capable of, and willing to provide

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:22 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

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Good to hear this. I ordered a new plate for the 5DSr from RRS and the pre-order price was $140. Last week I got an email from them I'll copy in below.
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Thanks so much for your pre-order for our B5DS-L L-plate for the new Canon EOS-5DS & -5DSR cameras. Due to a design change that we had not anticipated initially, the price for the L-plate has increased by $45. The new price for the L-plate is $185 instead of $140. We think you'll really like the changes:
• Plate is a modular two-piece design: a base plate and a separate L-component.
• Modular...Show more →

That's helpful!

The 5D3 plate seems to fit perfectly, sticking out far enough on the side so a cable release will clear when tripod mounted. So the "close to camera body for a low-profile fit" can't happen with the 5D3 plate, and would probably only be useful if one doesn't use a cable release.

The main thing seems to be the extra stoutness in this new design, which they say is like the 1DX one: http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-1D-X/B1DX-L-L-Plate.html

Link for the 5D3 plate: http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-5D-Mark-III/B5D3-LA-L-Plate-for-5D-Mark-III.html

It probably flexes less, if that is an issue. The 1DX is a lot heavier, so it probably needs a more "robust" plate.

The 1DX plate is a lot heavier than the 5D3's: 8.8 oz. vs. 3.7 oz.

Is this overkill for the lighter 5DsR, or will the extra rigidity help get sharper results, if a heavy lens is used, for example, one without a tripod collar?

I'd rather carry around less weight, unless the 5D3's plate is too flexy. It's probably hard to test unless one has both plates, to A/B test them.

Jun 16, 2015 at 11:59 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Jeff Fenske wrote:
That's helpful!

The 5D3 plate seems to fit perfectly, sticking out far enough on the side so a cable release will clear when tripod mounted. So the "close to camera body for a low-profile fit" can't happen with the 5D3 plate, and would probably only be useful if one doesn't use a cable release.

The main thing seems to be the extra stoutness in this new design, which they say is like the 1DX one: http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-1D-X/B1DX-L-L-Plate.html

Link for the 5D3 plate: http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-5D-Mark-III/B5D3-LA-L-Plate-for-5D-Mark-III.html

It probably flexes less, if that is an issue. The 1DX is a lot heavier, so it probably needs a more...Show more →

I'd love to be able to test both plates against each other, however, I won't be able to wait. Mid-July is when the new plate is supposed to start shipping and i'm going to be going on a trip to Iceland and Peru at the start of July.

The L-bracket for the gripped 5D3 worked for me, so i'm not sure what improvements the new one will offer at an extra $40. I did have the modular L-bracket for the 1DX and I hated it.

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:33 AM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

khurram1 wrote:
I'd love to be able to test both plates against each other, however, I won't be able to wait. Mid-July is when the new plate is supposed to start shipping and i'm going to be going on a trip to Iceland and Peru at the start of July.

The L-bracket for the gripped 5D3 worked for me, so i'm not sure what improvements the new one will offer at an extra $40. I did have the modular L-bracket for the 1DX and I hated it.

I suppose that if someone has a stout vice on a stout workbench, they could lock the 5D3 plate into it in the vertical, portrait configuration (without damaging the metal, though), and then put the heaviest and longest focal length lens on the 5Ds(R) that they would use that way, and see how easily the camera moves, by focusing on a detailed object, while using live view magnified all the way in, which I think is now 16X.

I've wondered about the stoutness of the 5D3 L-plate while shooting the 5D3. It's possible it could be sturdier in portrait position. On a tripod, though, it's hard to tell if the plate is flexing or the tripod.

Maybe we could mount it on a tripod in the horizontal landscape mode, using live view (zoomed in) and the biggest and longest lens, and see how much it moves when we push it a bit, and then do the same in vertical.

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:52 AM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

I prefer the Kirk 5D III plate, which attaches rigidly to the left side as well as the bottom. Does it also work on the 5DsR?

EBH

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:59 AM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

I'll tell you on Friday

Jun 17, 2015 at 01:16 AM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

At least you have the camera now. Mine is sitting in the box ~1700 miles away until I can retrieve it in August.

EBH

Jun 17, 2015 at 01:52 AM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Jeff Fenske wrote:
Maybe we could mount it on a tripod in the horizontal landscape mode, using live view (zoomed in) and the biggest and longest lens, and see how much it moves when we push it a bit, and then do the same in vertical.

The L-bracket won't budge at all - but you will very likely damage your camera's lens mount. That's why big, long lenses have their own tripod mounts.

Jun 17, 2015 at 09:53 AM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

molson wrote:
The L-bracket won't budge at all - but you will very likely damage your camera's lens mount. That's why big, long lenses have their own tripod mounts.

Yeah, what I was saying to use would be "the heaviest and longest focal length lens on the 5Ds(R) that they would use that way," meaning: a lens that would not have a tripod mount.

I don't have a heavy, short tele lens, or one of the heavy, new 50mm. I put on the old 28-135mm, set at 135mm with IS off. With the 5DsR in vertical, portrait orientation, using RRS' 5D3's bracket, I zoom in 16X in live view, and move the point to the top part of the frame, and then push on the camera at the top a bit to the left or right.

It fairly easily moves, which I've noticed before, when we give it a nudge, and this doesn't happen when in the horizontal, landscape mode. But I don't think it's a problem, even in wind. It seems to be built just about stout enough, but not too stout to be unnecessarily heavy. I have yet to see a real-world situation where it's not stout enough. But I have noticed there is some flex when we touch the camera in portrait mode.

The 1DX is not only heavier, but also taller vertically, so it will put more torque on the mount when positioned vertically in portrait mode.

The 5Ds is still lightweight, like the 5D3, so I don't see the need for anything beefier, for most uses.

I doubt if most shooters would see an advantage from getting the upcoming, heavier mount for the 5Ds.

Jun 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Mine just arrived and I installed the Kirk 5d3 L bracket. It fits fine and the remote fits the same as the 5D3. Thats pretty much the only cable I use.

Jun 17, 2015 at 01:44 PM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

ben egbert wrote:
Mine just arrived and I installed the Kirk 5d3 L bracket. It fits fine and the remote fits the same as the 5D3. Thats pretty much the only cable I use.

Does anyone know if there any differneces in how the Kirk and RRS L-Bracket fit in ballheads (I've got the RRS BH-55 and the Arcatech GP-ss)

I currently have the RRS L-bracket (with grip) for my 5D3 adn was going to order the 5D3 RRS L-bracket (without grip) for my new 5Ds. However, the Kirk L-brackets are available locally, Before purchasing them, I want to make sure that i don't ahve to keep adjusting the tension on the quick releases on the ballheads when switching cameras. I also wanted to know if there is any issues using the RRS Pano system with the Krik plates.

Are there any other significant differences in quality

Jun 17, 2015 at 05:00 PM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

khurram1 wrote:
Does anyone know if there any differneces in how the Kirk and RRS L-Bracket fit in ballheads (I've got the RRS BH-55 and the Arcatech GP-ss)

I currently have the RRS L-bracket (with grip) for my 5D3 adn was going to order the 5D3 RRS L-bracket (without grip) for my new 5Ds. However, the Kirk L-brackets are available locally, Before purchasing them, I want to make sure that i don't ahve to keep adjusting the tension on the quick releases on the ballheads when switching cameras. I also wanted to know if there is any issues using the RRS Pano...Show more →

Not sure what you mean with tension unless you use a quick release (lever) version. I have the screw lock RRS ball head and my Kirk fits just fine.

Jun 17, 2015 at 05:10 PM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

ben egbert wrote:
Not sure what you mean with tension unless you use a quick release (lever) version. I have the screw lock RRS ball head and my Kirk fits just fine.

Yes, i do mean the tension for the quick release lever.

Jun 17, 2015 at 05:13 PM

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khurram1 wrote:
Yes, i do mean the tension for the quick release lever.

Can't help on that I don't trust them.

Jun 17, 2015 at 05:19 PM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Really Right Stuff has posted a paragraph of text about the L bracket for the 5DS and 5DSR, saying that there are differences in the new cameras from the 5D3 that make a new L bracket necessary. See the RRS product page:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-5DS-5DSR/B5DS-L-plate-for-5DS-5DSR.html

I have a new expensive two part L bracket for my 5DSR on order from RRS, and will stick with getting that bracket. One factor for me is that at times I need the bracket for the 5D3 available for shooting it plus the 5DSR both at the same time. I also do not mind the two part L bracket I have for my 1DX, so I expect the one for the 5DSR will be fine for me too.

Jun 19, 2015 at 12:47 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Roland W wrote:
Really Right Stuff has posted a paragraph of text about the L bracket for the 5DS and 5DSR, saying that there are differences in the new cameras from the 5D3 that make a new L bracket necessary. See the RRS product page:

http://www.reallyrightstuff.com/Shop/EOS-5DS-5DSR/B5DS-L-plate-for-5DS-5DSR.html

I have a new expensive two part L bracket for my 5DSR on order from RRS, and will stick with getting that bracket. One factor for me is that at times I need the bracket for the 5D3 available for shooting it plus the 5DSR both at the same time. I also do not mind the two part...Show more →

I have the 5d3 L-bracket (grip) and it fits identical to the the 5D3. I didn't see any differences at all between how the existing bracket fits on the 5D3 or the 5Ds. However, as i'm keeping my 5D, i need a second L-bracket and ordered the regular 5d3 L-bracket (without grip) yesterday and it shipped out today.

Frankly i think they changed it to a modular design as a cash grab to sell more L-brackets to those that have the old one. There was absolutely zero difference on howthe 5D3 L Bracket fits on a gripped 5D3 or 5Ds and I switched back and forth between the two cameras at least 4 times. I couldn't see any differences in how the L-bracket fit on the cameras and if there was no restriction to how cables would be attached on the 5Ds.

I also checked the Kirk site and Kirk is actually selling the same L-bracket for both the 5Ds and 5D3. So if there really was an actual difference between the design of the two cameras, I think Kirk would have changed their L-bracket as well.

I had pre-ordered the 5Ds L-bracket back in April when RRS said that there were differences in the new camera. Than around and two or three weeks ago, i got an email from them saying they changed the design to a modular L-bracket and it is an extra $40 and the new one will ship out mid-July. Personally, I'm not willing to pay $40 extra for the modular design, which i really don't like, or wait an extra month (or longer) o get the L-bracket, when the existing one fits fine.

Jun 19, 2015 at 01:02 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

I just spent a fair amount of time comparing the fit of the Really Right Stuff L bracket for the 5D3 on both my 5D3 camera, and my new 5DSR. While the RRS B5D3-L bracket does come close to fitting on the 5DSR, the two cameras are slightly different, and the description that RRS has added on their site is correct. The slightly raised hard rubber area around the tripod threads of the 5D3 is gone on the 5DSR, and the bottom of the 5DSR is now flat metal over a larger area. The back edge of each of the cameras are also slightly different contour. The result is that the L bracket for the 5D3 does not make contact with the bottom of the 5DSR, but rather is slightly raised off. If you tighten the bracket on to the 5DSR, the plate pulls down in the middle around the screw, but the areas away from the screw are left slightly off the base of the camera. The curved edges of the 5D3 L bracket still cup the camera to minimize twist type action, but the main flat contact surface mostly have a small gap. The 5D3 plate will grossly function on the 5DSR, and will probably not directly damage the camera, but it will not provide the best possible support.

Until I can get my new properly fitting B5DS-L bracket made for the 5DSR from RSS, I will be adding some high quality aluminum tape to key places on the 5D3 L bracket to fill the slight gap, in order to get a better fit and better support. And I congratulate RRS on insisting on a perfect fit, that should give the maximum possible support to the camera. And remember, the high resolution of the 5DSR kind of demands excellent support to achieve the very best results.

Jun 19, 2015 at 03:55 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

Roland W wrote:
I just spent a fair amount of time comparing the fit of the Really Right Stuff L bracket for the 5D3 on both my 5D3 camera, and my new 5DSR. While the RRS B5D3-L bracket does come close to fitting on the 5DSR, the two cameras are slightly different, and the description that RRS has added on their site is correct. The slightly raised hard rubber area around the tripod threads of the 5D3 is gone on the 5DSR, and the bottom of the 5DSR is now flat metal over a larger area. The back edge of each of...Show more →

If the lack of the rubber gasket and raised base was an issue, wouldn't this also be an issue for the battery grip that is the same for both cameras?

Jun 19, 2015 at 06:31 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

I purchased the - Neewer Black Aluminum QR Quick Release L-Plate Bracket for Canon 5D Mark III 5D3 Camera Arca Swiss RRS Compatible. I wasn't sure if I was allowed to post a link to Amazon here so you will need to search.

From the description the RRS plate sounds like it doesn't have a flat plate at the bottom? I believe this one does. It fits quite well to a 5DS, I don't see any movement. I chose the Neewer because the lock nut slides and I can push the bracket slightly away from the body. I rely upon having a USB cord tethered to the camera so I also use the Kirk LBA block.

The downside is that I can't fit the remote cable if the Neewer plate is adjusted away from the body to accomodate the USB. I have ordered a couple remote cables and will try to create a straight cable instead of right angle cable and hopefully that will fix the problem. I like the Kirk block, with it the USB cable won't wiggle in place, a problem that I have had in the past which required repair.

Jun 19, 2015 at 07:59 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Photo: RRS plate on 5DS R

The day I pre-ordered my Canon EOS 5DS and my Canon EOS 5DS-"R" I went ahead and ordered 2 each of the EOS MARK 5 D III L Plates (the one one for use with the Canon BG-E11 Battery Grip (As I use the battery grip on all my canon bodies due to my business).
I am pleased to report that the RRS plates installed easily and looked well. The L Plates are tight and secure without forcing them into place. The cable guide works well with this L Plate made for the Canon EOS 5D Mark III.
At this time I see no reason to wait for the re-manufactured plate for the Canon EOS 5DS and 5DS "R".
Even IF they continue custom making the two (2) piece plate fro the EOS 5DS & 5DS"R" I doubt that it would appeal to me. Fooling around with two pieces that become one have never been fun for me and I have never had a product such as that which ended up being as strong as a single piece and the poor esthetics make me want to set it aside.

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