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p.4 #1Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
JonPB wrote:
Does it mimic a little lens window with scrolling numbers or is it more like the top display on SLRs with precise numbers?
Looks like the first, or maybe a combination of the two?
Does it mimic a little lens window with scrolling numbers or is it more like the top display on SLRs with precise numbers?
Looks like the first, or maybe a combination of the two?
Apr 22, 2015 at 08:41 AM
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TheEmrys wrote:
You sure it doesn't use D encoding? I get a distance number in feet for my D lenses when I MF.
What I meant was there's no distance encoding information on the focusing barrel itself, just a rotation sensor on the focus motor itself, which should be a lot more accurate (it's easier to count entire rotations of the motor than to try and sense the position of the focus helicoid).
You sure it doesn't use D encoding? I get a distance number in feet for my D lenses when I MF.
What I meant was there's no distance encoding information on the focusing barrel itself, just a rotation sensor on the focus motor itself, which should be a lot more accurate (it's easier to count entire rotations of the motor than to try and sense the position of the focus helicoid).
Apr 22, 2015 at 08:58 AM
p.4 #3Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influence 
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:08 AM
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teh_rebel wrote:
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influence
+1. Absolutely - so far I found the the look and the build of the Sony FE lenses less than appealing to me ("plastic-fantastic"). Has nothing to do with the optical performance, just my impression from handling some of the lens bodies.
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influence
+1. Absolutely - so far I found the the look and the build of the Sony FE lenses less than appealing to me ("plastic-fantastic"). Has nothing to do with the optical performance, just my impression from handling some of the lens bodies.
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:18 AM
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teh_rebel wrote:
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influence
Looks like the Otus - which is Nikon/Canon mount
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influence
Looks like the Otus - which is Nikon/Canon mount
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:20 AM
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The good thing is that if this is coming in at $1200, the rumored Sony 85/1.8 or 85/2 or whatever it will be should come in significantly less. Maybe in the $800 range. That would be a great thing.
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:52 AM
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matthewm wrote:
The good thing is that if this is coming in at $1200, the rumored Sony 85/1.8 or 85/2 or whatever it will be should come in significantly less. Maybe in the $800 range. That would be a great thing.
It is nice to be a dreamer...this will put pressure on Sony to not over price.
The good thing is that if this is coming in at $1200, the rumored Sony 85/1.8 or 85/2 or whatever it will be should come in significantly less. Maybe in the $800 range. That would be a great thing.
It is nice to be a dreamer...this will put pressure on Sony to not over price.
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:54 AM
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dancook wrote:
Looks like the Otus - which is Nikon/Canon mount
They were all under the same design house. Zeiss mentioned about this when the Otus 55 first came out. To me, it doesn't exude the same build quality feel of the old Contax Zeiss or the modern Leica M.
teh_rebel wrote
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influenceThey were all under the same design house. Zeiss mentioned about this when the Otus 55 first came out. To me, it doesn't exude the same build quality feel of the old Contax Zeiss or the modern Leica M.
Apr 22, 2015 at 09:56 AM
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hiepphotog wrote:
Looks like the Otus - which is Nikon/Canon mountThey were all under the same design house. Zeiss mentioned about this when the Otus 55 first came out. To me, it doesn't exude the same build quality feel of the old Contax Zeiss or the modern Leica M.
Yup. ZE/ZF/ZM are nice as well
dancook wrote
teh_rebel wrote
kinda miss the look of older Zeiss lens. The Touit, Loxia, and now Batis just seems too smooth and "plastic" looking. Maybe its the Sony influenceYup. ZE/ZF/ZM are nice as well
Apr 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM
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p.4 #10Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
matthewm wrote:
The good thing is that if this is coming in at $1200, the rumored Sony 85/1.8 or 85/2 or whatever it will be should come in significantly less. Maybe in the $800 range. That would be a great thing.
Am I the only one who thinks that this is the 85mm f/1.8 FE lens? At least the only one we'll be seeing in a while? So far it looks like Sony and Zeiss are splitting the duties nicely in order not to compete too much with each other and not to skew the overall range of available lenses towards one point.
Apart from the Loxias (which are MF and therefore a niche product) the assortment is pretty linear. It was the same with Olympus and Panasonic within the MFT alliance until pretty recently: apart from basic zooms, they have not been making lenses with highly similar specs (it's not so anymore).
The good thing is that if this is coming in at $1200, the rumored Sony 85/1.8 or 85/2 or whatever it will be should come in significantly less. Maybe in the $800 range. That would be a great thing.
Am I the only one who thinks that this is the 85mm f/1.8 FE lens? At least the only one we'll be seeing in a while? So far it looks like Sony and Zeiss are splitting the duties nicely in order not to compete too much with each other and not to skew the overall range of available lenses towards one point.
Apart from the Loxias (which are MF and therefore a niche product) the assortment is pretty linear. It was the same with Olympus and Panasonic within the MFT alliance until pretty recently: apart from basic zooms, they have not been making lenses with highly similar specs (it's not so anymore).
Apr 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM
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Someone please remind me how Leica will not go out of business one day? I feel like this only strengthens the case for Sony and Zeiss eating into their sales.
Apr 22, 2015 at 11:04 AM
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davewolfs wrote:
Someone please remind me how Leica will not go out of business one day? I feel like this only strengthens the case for Sony and Zeiss eating into their sales.
Why is there still Rolex? The potentates and wannabes of the world will always like to show off their wealth.
Someone please remind me how Leica will not go out of business one day? I feel like this only strengthens the case for Sony and Zeiss eating into their sales.
Why is there still Rolex? The potentates and wannabes of the world will always like to show off their wealth.
Apr 22, 2015 at 11:11 AM
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davewolfs wrote:
Someone please remind me how Leica will not go out of business one day? I feel like this only strengthens the case for Sony and Zeiss eating into their sales.
Admittedly the FE system is becoming more attractive but Sony is still missing the point in their body design. This could change however. It only suffices for them to release just one body with the right ergonomics and they will score big time. For the first time ever, the weakness is not in the lenses, since the line up is impressive, but the bodies suck imho.
PS. Before someone asks me what would be a good body design, I would say something along the lines of the Fuji xt1 or x pro1 or even the nex7.
Apr 22, 2015 at 11:56 AM
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retrofocus wrote:
The Canon 85/1.8 EF lens has a filter thread of 58 mm...and is of course a DSLR lens. So I wouldn't consider 67 mm filter diameter size small.
The Canon 85/1.8 is an $350 lens I really liked mine. It was excellent optically except for the rare blue/purple fringing. It was sharp from wide open on my 22MP 5DII.Cheaper, lighter, smaller...fast focusing. That and the 100/2 are real bargains.
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TheEmrys wrote
67mm filter threads are very encouraging, even if it is f/1.8. 72mm is most common among high end Sony's (24-70/2.8, 85/1.4, 70-400g, etc.) with the 77mm being for biggest (135/1.8, 70-200/2.8 G). 67mm seems doenright dainty. The lens may come in at the same size as the 24-70/4, which seems pretty nice to me.The Canon 85/1.8 is an $350 lens
I really liked mine. It was excellent optically except for the rare blue/purple fringing. It was sharp from wide open on my 22MP 5DII.Cheaper, lighter, smaller...fast focusing. That and the 100/2 are real bargains.Edited on Apr 22, 2015 at 12:24 PM · View previous versions
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM
p.4 #15Zeiss "Batis" AF lens line to be released for FF E-mount
I'm definitely tempted by the 85 mm. I've got the FE 28mm f/2 still on pre-order, so I'll likely hold off on the 25 mm for a while. Great to see Zeiss producing these lenses.
Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.
Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:22 PM
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michael49 wrote:
I'm definitely tempted by the 85 mm. I've got the FE 28mm f/2 still on pre-order, so I'll likely hold off on the 25 mm for a while. Great to see Zeiss producing these lenses.
Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.
Well MFD and actual magnification (i.e. how large the subject is relatively to the frame) is two different things. The Fuji and Olympus might have shorter MFD, but the magnification might be the same or worse than lenses on FF.
I'm definitely tempted by the 85 mm. I've got the FE 28mm f/2 still on pre-order, so I'll likely hold off on the 25 mm for a while. Great to see Zeiss producing these lenses.
Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.
Well MFD and actual magnification (i.e. how large the subject is relatively to the frame) is two different things. The Fuji and Olympus might have shorter MFD, but the magnification might be the same or worse than lenses on FF.
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:39 PM
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pdmphoto wrote:
The Canon 85/1.8 EF lens has a filter thread of 58 mm...and is of course a DSLR lens. So I wouldn't consider 67 mm filter diameter size small.The Canon 85/1.8 is an $350 lens I really liked mine. It was excellent optically except for the rare blue/purple fringing. It was sharp from wide open on my 22MP 5DII.Cheaper, lighter, smaller...fast focusing. That and the 100/2 are real bargains.
If you are satisfied with cheap consumer grade lenses, then these Zeiss lenses probably aren't for you.
retrofocus wrote
TheEmrys wrote
67mm filter threads are very encouraging, even if it is f/1.8. 72mm is most common among high end Sony's (24-70/2.8, 85/1.4, 70-400g, etc.) with the 77mm being for biggest (135/1.8, 70-200/2.8 G). 67mm seems doenright dainty. The lens may come in at the same size as the 24-70/4, which seems pretty nice to me. I really liked mine. It was excellent optically except for the rare blue/purple fringing. It was sharp from wide open on my 22MP 5DII.Cheaper, lighter, smaller...fast focusing. That and the 100/2 are real bargains.If you are satisfied with cheap consumer grade lenses, then these Zeiss lenses probably aren't for you.
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:42 PM
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hiepphotog wrote:
Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.Well MFD and actual magnification (i.e. how large the subject is relatively to the frame) is two different things. The Fuji and Olympus might have shorter MFD, but the magnification might be the same or worse than lenses on FF.
True.
Its just nice to be able to take a shot like this with a 85/100mm lens in addition to portraits. Most FF 85/100mm non-macro lenses can't take a shot like this without significant cropping.....
Oly 45 1.8......
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/Other/Favorites/i-nsKLG39/0/L/PB160081-12-L.jpg
michael49 wrote
I'm definitely tempted by the 85 mm. I've got the FE 28mm f/2 still on pre-order, so I'll likely hold off on the 25 mm for a while. Great to see Zeiss producing these lenses.Did anyone post the MFD for the 85 mm lens? - that's been the one drawback of most full frame 85/100 mm lenses for me. MFD is usually much better with the Fuji X lenses or Olympus micro 4/3. It's just nice to have a 85/100 mm lens that can do portraits as well as a close-up flower shot.
True.
Its just nice to be able to take a shot like this with a 85/100mm lens in addition to portraits. Most FF 85/100mm non-macro lenses can't take a shot like this without significant cropping.....
Oly 45 1.8......
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/Other/Favorites/i-nsKLG39/0/L/PB160081-12-L.jpg
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:45 PM
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vitix68 wrote:
This new line makes me confusing...
Sony sony
Sony G
Sony Zeiss
Zeiss loxia
and now Zeiss Batis! with both two series "Zeiss" with AF, last one could/should be made by Cosina.
They are probably being made by Fuji, just like the Zeiss Touits...
This new line makes me confusing...
Sony sony
Sony G
Sony Zeiss
Zeiss loxia
and now Zeiss Batis! with both two series "Zeiss" with AF, last one could/should be made by Cosina.
They are probably being made by Fuji, just like the Zeiss Touits...
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:47 PM
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molson wrote:
Sony sony
Sony G
Sony Zeiss
Zeiss loxia
and now Zeiss Batis! with both two series "Zeiss" with AF, last one could/should be made by Cosina.They are probably being made by Fuji, just like the Zeiss Touits...
As far as I know, Zeiss lenses are put together in the Cosina factory (not to be confused with Sony branded Zeiss).
vitix68 wrote
This new line makes me confusing...Sony sony
Sony G
Sony Zeiss
Zeiss loxia
and now Zeiss Batis! with both two series "Zeiss" with AF, last one could/should be made by Cosina.
As far as I know, Zeiss lenses are put together in the Cosina factory (not to be confused with Sony branded Zeiss).
Apr 22, 2015 at 12:58 PM