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p.1 #1 · Tale of a broken RX1...


Last month, I finally found a used RX1 outfit for a price I was willing to pay and bought it from a local photographer, thus scratching an itch I've had since the camera was released. Unfortunately, after just a day in my hands, it rolled off my bed while I was putting my boots on to go for a hike and landed on the carpeted floor below. While it appeared to have suffered no damage, it refused to focus, automatically or manually, and the infamous error code "E:61:00" message blinked on the display.

So I went to Precision Camera's website, received an estimate of $306.50 to repair the camera (which struck me as perhaps a bit high, but not unreasonably so), and sent it away to them the following day.

Two weeks later, they informed me the lens would have to be replaced and the repair cost would now be just over $1,200 versus the $306.50 I was originally quoted. Alas, having just bought the camera and being unemployed, that was more than I could justify spending right now, so I told them to skip the repairs and return the camera to me.

Which is where things get interesting.

While I was waiting for the broken RX1 to return, my plans suddenly changed when a friend offered me an all-expenses-paid trip to NYC to oversee some work being done to their condo (thanks to my unemployment, I have the time to do this, whereas she and her husband do not) and so I scrambled to find a replacement RX1 ASAP because walking the streets of NYC with a camera in hand is one of my favorite things to do.

Which is how I ended up buying a second used RX1 via an eBay auction, for a price that was nearly $150 less than what Precision Camera had quoted to repair the broken one. So I saved myself a few bucks over having the broken RX1 repaired and now have a parts camera to boot, which could come in handy should the second, new-to-me RX1 ever break.

But when the broken RX1 returned, I turned it on and -- surprise! -- it appeared to work just fine. I don't know what Precision Camera had done to it, if anything, but I laughed out loud at the notion my camera had somehow healed itself while in transit.

Alas, my joy was short-lived, because when I turned the camera on a second time, it was broken again and error code "E:61:00" resumed blinking on the display ... #&@(!

Which is when I discovered something interesting: As I turned the macro ring, the focus plane changed! By turning it carefully, I could focus the camera quite accurately over a range of 4-5 feet to infinity ... who knew? And then I further discovered that I could use the manual focus ring to fine-tune the focus, as spinning the ring through several rotations would shift the focus point forward or backward over a much smaller range of, say, a few inches to perhaps one foot, depending upon the focus distance.

I also discovered that, unlike my working RX1, the camera did not reset the focus to infinity whenever the power was turned off and on again, as it remained set exactly where it had been set previously and didn't change.

My curiosity now piqued, I took the broken camera with me on a hike, manually focusing each shot using the macro ring. I assumed that because the RX1 lens has a floating element, focusing with the macro ring might result in accurately focused images of less than optimal image quality because the lens elements might not be aligned properly.

But when I returned home and took a closer look at the results, to my surprise and joy, they were great!

So then I compared the handful of photos I took of my backyard before the first RX1 broke with photos of the same scenes taken with it after it returned from Precision Camera and could see no significant differences between them.

I next photographed the same scenes with the second, non-broken RX1 and compared them to the before and after photos taken with the broken RX1. While the differences I noted were very, very small, if anything, the images from the broken RX1 look just slightly more crisp (i.e., sharper) than those from the non-broken RX1!

Needless to say, I'm very much confused by what is happening here and I don't know enough about lens design in general or the RX1's lens design in specific to make sense of how the macro ring is able to accurately focus the lens and in so doing, why the image quality isn't degraded.

As it stands now, it appears I have unintentionally created / discovered the holy grail insofar as street photography is concerned: An RX1 that can be manually zone-focused and will hold its focus when the power is turned off and on!

With all of that as background, can anyone shed any light on exactly what is happening here? FWIW, if push came to shove and I could only keep one of the two cameras, believe it or not, but based upon the results I'm achieving and given how I will likely be using the RX1, my inclination would be to keep the broken one, which strikes me as being borderline insane.

Thoughts, anybody?



Apr 16, 2015 at 10:30 AM
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Sounds like an old Volvo 240 I owned that would miraculously fix itself. Sometimes you don't question why, you just go with it!

Might want to keep a backup handy of some sort for the broken RX1 if you sell the other one - just in case...

As far as the slight difference between the first and second RX1, just sample variation would be my guess.



Apr 16, 2015 at 10:59 AM
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OP: I've never had the e:61 problem with my RX1, but it looks like it's not uncommon. One fix I've seen mentioned several times is putting the lens cap on, placing the camera with lens facing downward on a table, and pressing the camera downward gently against the table.

Have you tried this?



Apr 16, 2015 at 11:13 AM
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bhollis wrote:
OP: I've never had the e:61 problem with my RX1, but it looks like it's not uncommon. One fix I've seen mentioned several times is putting the lens cap on, placing the camera with lens facing downward on a table, and pressing the camera downward gently against the table.

Have you tried this?


I have, along with every other miracle cure I found referenced on the internet. To date, none of them have worked.



Apr 16, 2015 at 11:21 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
Sounds like an old Volvo 240 I owned that would miraculously fix itself. Sometimes you don't question why, you just go with it!


Alas, I drive an Audi and a Porsche, so I've never experienced a "self healing" car. I have, however, experienced their evil twin, which is a car that breaks for no obvious reason... 8^/

Might want to keep a backup handy of some sort for the broken RX1 if you sell the other one - just in case...

I'll probably keep them both, but I have several other cameras available to me if either of them should break ... again.

As far as the slight difference between the first and second RX1, just sample variation would be my guess.

That's my suspicion, too.




Apr 16, 2015 at 11:23 AM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Alas, I drive an Audi and a Porsche, so I've never experienced a "self healing" car. I have, however, experienced their evil twin, which is a car that breaks for no obvious reason... 8^/



I drive a Volkswagen group vehicle now as well, just a little lower on the food chain . Hopefully I will not run into the dreaded, random breakdown.





Apr 16, 2015 at 11:32 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
I drive a Volkswagen group vehicle now as well, just a little lower on the food chain . Hopefully I will not run into the dreaded, random breakdown.



FYI, mine are both older cars -- one is nearly a decade old and the other is more than a decade old -- and the only way I can afford to own / drive them is to do all of the maintenance and repairs myself.

In that respect, I have also worked on a few cameras and lenses over the years as well, and am potentially tempted to open up the broken RX1 to see if I can repair it myself.

But with it working the way it is now, I'm not sure that restoring it to its original form will actually improve it!


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Apr 16, 2015 at 11:46 AM
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p.1 #8 · Tale of a broken RX1...


Its voodoo.


Apr 16, 2015 at 12:01 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
FYI, mine are both older cars -- one is nearly a decade old and the other is more than a decade old -- and the only way I can afford to own / drive them is to do all of the maintenance and repairs myself.

In that respect, I have also worked on a few cameras and lenses over the years as well, and am potentially tempted to open up the broken RX1 to see if I can repair it myself. But with it working the way it is now, I'm not sure that restoring it to its original form will
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I think everyone on this forum is a DIY'r of sorts. The old vehicles I have owned like the Volvo I also worked on to keep them going. I did break down a buy the VW new a few years back though as I did not want to take a chance on a used one - particularly a TDI (where how it has been maintained and fed is everything).

I don't think I would open up the RX1 myself - and I have taken apart, repaired/cleaned many a lens/ camera/ old Compur shutter, etc.



Apr 16, 2015 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #10 · Tale of a broken RX1...


well crap, sounds like i should break my rx1 instead of selling it...


Apr 17, 2015 at 03:10 AM
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sebboh wrote:
well crap, sounds like i should break my rx1 instead of selling it...


Actually, while playing with my non-broken RX1 while I was half-heartedly watching TV last night, I discovered the macro-ring focusing trick works with it as well.

In fact, what I found even more interesting is that the macro-ring can be used as a focus limiter for the autofocus function, because the autofocus will still focus the lens for shorter distances, but not longer ones. In other words, if one uses the macro ring to focus the lens at, say, 15', the autofocus will still focus the lens at shorter distances, but not longer ones, and instead of resetting to infinity each time the camera is turned out, it will reset to the roughly the same focus distance where it was left. Better still, the macro ring isn't fly by wire, so you are focusing the lens using a silky smooth mechanical helicoid in the traditional manner and the image really pops in the viewfinder when the desired focus point is achieved.

Try it! I make no guarantees as to image quality with the camera focused this way, but it definitely allows one to zone-focus the camera accurately and contrary to my earlier comments, the camera doesn't need to be broken, either!



Apr 17, 2015 at 06:35 AM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
Actually, while playing with my non-broken RX1 while I was half-heartedly watching TV last night, I discovered the macro-ring focusing trick works with it as well.

In fact, what I found even more interesting is that the macro-ring can be used as a focus limiter for the autofocus function, because the autofocus will still focus the lens for shorter distances, but not longer ones. In other words, if one uses the macro ring to focus the lens at, say, 15', the autofocus will still focus the lens at shorter distances, but not longer ones, and instead of resetting to infinity each
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i made the same discovery myself last night.

thanks for posting about this, never would have occurred to me!




Apr 17, 2015 at 09:30 AM
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p.1 #13 · Tale of a broken RX1...


Thank you very much for this revolutionary discovery!


Apr 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM
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It's quite remarkable that no one (to my knowledge) has discovered this "feature" until now. Wish I still had my RX1 to check it out.


Apr 17, 2015 at 10:54 AM
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Tariq Gibran wrote:
It's quite remarkable that no one (to my knowledge) has discovered this "feature" until now. Wish I still had my RX1 to check it out.


I have to agree with you, as it seems these days that the internet collectively knows everything there is to know about every camera and often before they're released, even!

That said, had this focusing hack been known sooner -- surely I can't be the only one who's figured it out? -- I likely would have bought an RX1 sooner, as the fact that zone-focusing with the camera wasn't so easily done was one of the reasons that caused me to stay away until now, when the prices for used ones are low enough to make it an attractive purchase regardless.



Apr 17, 2015 at 11:30 AM
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The lack of proper manual focus was stopping me from buying RX1, but i had this suspicion about macro ring focusing for a long time. Few months earlier i got my hands on RX1 to play for a very short time and the first thing i did was to check how macro focusing was working. And it was, really. But that wasn't very accurate test and i haven't found RX for myself, so i wasn't 100% sure about it :} I'm very glad somebody found out about it and confirmed it.


Apr 19, 2015 at 05:56 PM
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Launagis wrote:
The lack of proper manual focus was stopping me from buying RX1, but i had this suspicion about macro ring focusing for a long time. Few months earlier i got my hands on RX1 to play for a very short time and the first thing i did was to check how macro focusing was working. And it was, really. But that wasn't very accurate test and i haven't found RX for myself, so i wasn't 100% sure about it :} I'm very glad somebody found out about it and confirmed it.


Because the RX1 is still fairly new to me, I took it out this morning on a shakedown run in advance of my upcoming outing to NYC. You'll be pleased to know that macro-ring focusing worked just as well as I had hoped and exactly as it did when I first started walking the streets with a Minolta Hi-Matic 7SII all those years ago ... except for the missing finger tab on the focus ring, that is. I really miss those, too!



Apr 19, 2015 at 08:29 PM
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I'm also having this problem with the camera. :/ I'll have to try the DIY methods.


Nov 04, 2016 at 04:00 PM
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p.1 #19 · Tale of a broken RX1...


As an update on my broken RX-1 discussed above, to my surprise, nearly 18 months after it broke and I reverted to focusing it using the macro ring exclusively, it mysteriously healed itself a few weeks ago.

I've not said anything about this so as not to jinx it, but it's been almost a month now, so I think I'll be okay. <knocks on wooden head>

I have no idea what happened -- I've taken more than 10,000 photos with it since then, always using the macro ring to focus it -- but Hey, I'm not complaining!



Nov 25, 2016 at 07:46 PM
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Audii-Dudii wrote:
I also discovered that, unlike my working RX1, the camera did not reset the focus to infinity whenever the power was turned off and on again, as it remained set exactly where it had been set previously and didn't change.


With my RX1RII, the camera always reset the lens to infinity, but whenever the macro focusing ring is set to a different distance, and because the camera can't reset a mechanical setting, it is remembered by the camera whenever powered in turned on. (fantastic news)


Audii-Dudii wrote:
As an update on my broken RX-1 discussed above, to my surprise, nearly 18 months after it broke and I reverted to focusing it using the macro ring exclusively, it mysteriously healed itself a few weeks ago.

I've not said anything about this so as not to jinx it, but it's been almost a month now, so I think I'll be okay.

I have no idea what happened -- I've taken more than 10,000 photos with it since then, always using the macro ring to focus it -- but Hey, I'm not complaining!


This is great info and I will be using the macro ring for manual focus for types of shots where I need the camera to remember previous distances. (street shooting, etc)

It's worth mentioning that any 'fine tuning' using the regular manual focusing ring does not get saved when turning off the camera. Basically the camera defaults to 'infinity' but the macro ring is mechanically set to a given distance with infinity as reference.



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