I agree. I never understood the unification of the 1D bodies. The old 1Ds/1D combo was really quite a good model and let people choose what they wanted to prioritize. Will be interesting to see if Canon goes back to it or not. One thing is for sure, we won't see the old price structure. I figure the 1DX2 will probably move into the $7K range and a potential high MP 1D will move towards $10K. Ouch!
Losing a crop 1D series meant much higher price of entry now - $5K 1D IV, $6.8K 1D X. While Canon may well price 1DX2 at $7K and it'll probably have 24MP (max) at 12fps, this is a dangerous move IMO. The curent Sony 24MP and 36MP sensors are clearly very good even without the 1D X's awesome high ISO noise (but not far behind). I think it won't be long before we start seeing 7-8 fps in at least the 24MP models costing $2K and with very good AF. Even 36MP sensor will probably see 6-6.5fps next gen. The huge gap between cameras like 1D X/ D4s and the lesser models has narrowed considerably and it becomes harder to justify the enormous price disparity IMO. In fact there is no reason a new 1D X2 should cost more than $5K max. I know fairly well how much fat is in the price of the 1 series and even at $5K Canon would still be making a very healthy profit. Rather than further erode a shrinking user base they should be changing tack, otherwise these cameras will become less and less relevant to majority of users IMO.
By this point, other than batteries and PCBs, what else drives the 1-series to maintain its film-era bulk? Could the same be achieved with an added grip?
sirimiri wrote:
By this point, other than batteries and PCBs, what else drives the 1-series to maintain its film-era bulk? Could the same be achieved with an added grip?
Mirror drive unit. The weight is then needed in order to minimize mirror slap. And some say it is not a real camera if it is smaller.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Losing a crop 1D series meant much higher price of entry now - $5K 1D IV, $6.8K 1D X. While Canon may well price 1DX2 at $7K and it'll probably have 24MP (max) at 12fps, this is a dangerous move IMO. The curent Sony 24MP and 36MP sensors are clearly very good even without the 1D X's awesome high ISO noise (but not far behind). I think it won't be long before we start seeing 7-8 fps in at least the 24MP models costing $2K and with very good AF. Even 36MP sensor will probably see 6-6.5fps next gen. The huge gap between cameras like 1D X/ D4s and the lesser models has narrowed considerably and it becomes harder to justify the enormous price disparity IMO. In fact there is no reason a new 1D X2 should cost more than $5K max. I know fairly well how much fat is in the price of the 1 series and even at $5K Canon would still be making a very healthy profit. Rather than further erode a shrinking user base they should be changing tack, otherwise these cameras will become less and less relevant to majority of users IMO....Show more →
I doubt we'll see any price reduction. The 1DX2/1DXs may well have new sensors and that will move the price higher on either body. Even at $5K they are low volume sellers which have never been relevant to the majority of users. The other options at 6-8 FPS are nice but once you have 12FPS that's hard to give up. There will still be a lot of 1D users who will pay the price even if it's in the 7-10K price range.
The only hope you would have is that the 7D2 at 10FPS and new AF would have some effect on the 1DX2 but I have a feeling that Canon will distance the 1DX2 quite a ways from the 7D2 to justify the cost.
sirimiri wrote:
By this point, other than batteries and PCBs, what else drives the 1-series to maintain its film-era bulk? Could the same be achieved with an added grip?
Possibly but they need to come up with a better grip design as the 7D and 5D3 ones never felt all that great to me. I like the solid feel of the 1D bodies. It's a subjective thing that may have a built in user base legacy type of dynamic in which Canon is hesitant to alienate. Although they screwed us on the AF point illumination so who knows.
sirimiri wrote:
By this point, other than batteries and PCBs, what else drives the 1-series to maintain its film-era bulk? Could the same be achieved with an added grip?
Not sure if you've ever used a 1-series, but using the integrated grip is a completely different experience than the awkward add-on grip on the rest of the models.
Shooting primarily sports, 90% of my shots are in portrait orientation so this is a big deal for at least some of us.
rolette wrote:
Not sure if you've ever used a 1-series, but using the integrated grip is a completely different experience than the awkward add-on grip on the rest of the models.
Shooting primarily sports, 90% of my shots are in portrait orientation so this is a big deal for at least some of us.
Jay
Kind of an unfortunate side effect of using a 1D/D4 style body. All add-on grips feel cheap afterwards.
Been 4 days Frank since anyone posted. I haven't forgot. How about posting a countdown clock? I sense through my telepathic powers your feeling quite confident?
jjoejr wrote:
Been 4 days Frank since anyone posted. I haven't forgot. How about posting a countdown clock? I sense through my telepathic powers your feeling quite confident?
Canon worked really really hard to plug all the leaks
Monday, October 13, 2014 18:00 EST - 18 days until until u "see impossible"
rolette wrote:
Not sure if you've ever used a 1-series, but using the integrated grip is a completely different experience than the awkward add-on grip on the rest of the models.
Shooting primarily sports, 90% of my shots are in portrait orientation so this is a big deal for at least some of us.
Jay
I used an EOS-1N all throughout college. It was a solid machine.
I'm not saying sports shooters can't have what they want; only that choice is my preference.
alundeb wrote:
Mirror drive unit. The weight is then needed in order to minimize mirror slap. And some say it is not a real camera if it is smaller.
Batteries and PCBs could be the two biggest reasons plus perhaps a much larger display screen.
After all a larger pcb would be needed for larger processors and or more of them - quad core etc?
misterphil wrote:
Batteries and PCBs could be the two biggest reasons plus perhaps a much larger display screen.
After all a larger pcb would be needed for larger processors and or more of them - quad core etc?
And having a fully enclosed magnesium body that is comfortable to use and stable in both landscape and portrait orientations takes a lot of metal to achieve. Though, the idea of using carbon fiber sounds more and more appealing after nikon tossed it into the D750 sounds better and better. More rigid, lighter weight. Unfortunately, it doesn't take direct impaxt damage nearly as well as metal since CF essentially explodes into thousands of tiny pieces on impact instead of being more malleable.
Psychic - I hope you aren't maing this stuff up. This would be pretty exciting news. Though, right now I just find canon impossible to put up with
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