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Archive 2014Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
p.10 #1Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
uhoh7 wrote:
I said the same thing in another thread--leaving out the pre-asph, and I thought you replied to the effect: "oh no, there are many RF 35s which are great on A7" 
Philber, it's the second biggest RF 35 ever made in history!
But I think you are right, they are trying to prove a point: "we can make something even better performing than FLE"
BTW Still love my zm18, which I own because of you
Well the bokeh talk had me pulling out the CV 35, while we still have leaves:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3887/15261859976_d73953a417_b.jpg
L1020448 by unoh7, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5572/15098324027_ef97ebf140_b.jpg
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Wow, I did not know the Voigt 35/1.2 could give swirly bokeh as in the last example with the dog. Interesting (in a good or bad way, depending on your preference!).
sebboh wrote
the FE 35/2.8, lux asph, FLE, and cv 35/1.2 all perform quite well. the lux pre asph is quite good too if you can handle the classic mandler glow at wide aperture.philber wrote
I am reading the tealeaves, but I think Zeiss may have decided to release the ZM 35 f:1.4 to prove a point. Point being that they are just as capable as Leica to desing cutting edge lenses that are also small.But I think you are right, they are trying to prove a point: "we can make something even better performing than FLE"
BTW Still love my zm18, which I own because of you
Well the bokeh talk had me pulling out the CV 35, while we still have leaves:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3887/15261859976_d73953a417_b.jpg
L1020448 by unoh7, on Flickr
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5572/15098324027_ef97ebf140_b.jpg
L1020457 by unoh7, on Flickr
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Wow, I did not know the Voigt 35/1.2 could give swirly bokeh as in the last example with the dog. Interesting (in a good or bad way, depending on your preference!
).Sep 19, 2014 at 10:40 AM
p.10 #2Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
sebboh wrote:
the FE 35/2.8, lux asph, FLE, and cv 35/1.2 all perform quite well. the lux pre asph is quite good too if you can handle the classic mandler glow at wide aperture.
uhoh7 wrote:
I said the same thing in another thread--leaving out the pre-asph, and I thought you replied to the effect: "oh no, there are many RF 35s which are great on A7"
yeah, i was thinking modern drawing lenses and just threw in the lux pre-asph since we'd been talking about it.
all the crons except the asph one perform well on the a7 as does the canon 35/2 ltm, cv 35/1.4, cv 40/1.4, m-rokkor/summicron 40/2, and probably some others i'm forgetting. as with the lux pre-asph you have to take into account what perform well means – it means they perform about as well as they do on an m9. none of the lenses listed in this paragraph reach the levels of optical perfection at large aperture that the lux asph 35s do or that this new zm does.
interestingly (maybe just to me), i thanks to ron's suggestion about looking through the Puts book, i discovered that the lux pre-asph is actually a better landscape lens at small aperture than the cron v4 (at least judging by mtfs), i had always assumed the opposite.
the FE 35/2.8, lux asph, FLE, and cv 35/1.2 all perform quite well. the lux pre asph is quite good too if you can handle the classic mandler glow at wide aperture.
uhoh7 wrote:
I said the same thing in another thread--leaving out the pre-asph, and I thought you replied to the effect: "oh no, there are many RF 35s which are great on A7"
yeah, i was thinking modern drawing lenses and just threw in the lux pre-asph since we'd been talking about it.
all the crons except the asph one perform well on the a7 as does the canon 35/2 ltm, cv 35/1.4, cv 40/1.4, m-rokkor/summicron 40/2, and probably some others i'm forgetting. as with the lux pre-asph you have to take into account what perform well means – it means they perform about as well as they do on an m9. none of the lenses listed in this paragraph reach the levels of optical perfection at large aperture that the lux asph 35s do or that this new zm does.
interestingly (maybe just to me), i thanks to ron's suggestion about looking through the Puts book, i discovered that the lux pre-asph is actually a better landscape lens at small aperture than the cron v4 (at least judging by mtfs), i had always assumed the opposite.
Sep 19, 2014 at 11:32 AM
p.10 #3Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Wow, I did not know the Voigt 35/1.2 could give swirly bokeh as in the last example with the dog. Interesting (in a good or bad way, depending on your preference!).
Hmm, I havent seen swirls anything close to that from my CV35/1.2II. Are you sure (Uhoh) it is that lens, is it Ver I or something? Or a mix-up?
Wow, I did not know the Voigt 35/1.2 could give swirly bokeh as in the last example with the dog. Interesting (in a good or bad way, depending on your preference!
).Hmm, I havent seen swirls anything close to that from my CV35/1.2II. Are you sure (Uhoh) it is that lens, is it Ver I or something? Or a mix-up?
Sep 19, 2014 at 11:52 AM
p.10 #4Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
wfrank wrote:
).Hmm, I havent seen swirls anything close to that from my CV35/1.2II. Are you sure (Uhoh) it is that lens, is it Ver I or something? Or a mix-up?
those are pretty weak swirls aided by the environment. i'm sure you could get something similar from nearly any fast lens if you tried hard enough.
Tariq Gibran wrote
Wow, I did not know the Voigt 35/1.2 could give swirly bokeh as in the last example with the dog. Interesting (in a good or bad way, depending on your preference!).those are pretty weak swirls aided by the environment. i'm sure you could get something similar from nearly any fast lens if you tried hard enough.
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM
p.10 #5Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Okay, agree that grass at that distance can make swirl swirlier. But I've seen similar from the old Summitar 50/2 (from the 40's) but I thought it was a glass property thing not so much due to the speed.
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:34 PM
p.10 #6Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I'm probably wrong but I always associated swirly bokeh with lenses that suffer from strong coma.
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM
p.10 #7Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
wfrank wrote:
Okay, agree that grass at that distance can make swirl swirlier. But I've seen similar from the old Summitar 50/2 (from the 40's) but I thought it was a glass property thing not so much due to the speed.
it's both. some lenses (e.g. helios 58/2) can make nearly any background swirl at the correct subject background distance even a concrete wall. some other lenses have a more mild predilection to swirl like the 75 summilux and still others (most macros) are nearly impossible to get swirls from. most lenses will show a somewhat swirly pattern due to physical vignetting if you have oof point lights ources at just the right distance. any lens can show swirls if you if you arrange a swirly pattern and then put it out of focus (a good way to accidentally do this to take picture down a backlit orchard column or tree tunnel).
Okay, agree that grass at that distance can make swirl swirlier. But I've seen similar from the old Summitar 50/2 (from the 40's) but I thought it was a glass property thing not so much due to the speed.
it's both. some lenses (e.g. helios 58/2) can make nearly any background swirl at the correct subject background distance even a concrete wall. some other lenses have a more mild predilection to swirl like the 75 summilux and still others (most macros) are nearly impossible to get swirls from. most lenses will show a somewhat swirly pattern due to physical vignetting if you have oof point lights ources at just the right distance. any lens can show swirls if you if you arrange a swirly pattern and then put it out of focus (a good way to accidentally do this to take picture down a backlit orchard column or tree tunnel).
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM
p.10 #9Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The swirly bokeh in that particular shot is strong to my eyes but it's likely a situation where some see it more than others (I see very clear concentric rings formed by the bokeh shape behind the dog). To me, it almost looks like a filter type effect, as if the dog is being transported into another dimension.
.Sep 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM
p.10 #10Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
sebboh wrote:
most lenses will show a somewhat swirly pattern due to physical vignetting if you have oof point lights ources at just the right distance.
Optical vignetting, actually. It's because the image circle simply isn't big enough to draw complete circular blur discs in the corners. It's not that the lens barrel is in the way -- if you took away the barrel the cat's eye bokeh would remain the same.
Edited on Sep 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM · View previous versions
most lenses will show a somewhat swirly pattern due to physical vignetting if you have oof point lights ources at just the right distance.
Optical vignetting, actually. It's because the image circle simply isn't big enough to draw complete circular blur discs in the corners. It's not that the lens barrel is in the way -- if you took away the barrel the cat's eye bokeh would remain the same.
Edited on Sep 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM · View previous versions
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM
p.10 #11Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
edwardkaraa wrote:
I'm probably wrong but I always associated swirly bokeh with lenses that suffer from strong coma.
probably.
nearly any lens aberration that is radially symmetric can cause it in the right circumstances (vignetting, coma, astigmatism, field curvature, etc).
I'm probably wrong but I always associated swirly bokeh with lenses that suffer from strong coma.
probably.
nearly any lens aberration that is radially symmetric can cause it in the right circumstances (vignetting, coma, astigmatism, field curvature, etc).
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:49 PM
p.10 #12Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
AhamB wrote:
Optical vignetting, actually. It's because the image circle simply isn't big enough to draw complete circular blur discs in the corners. It's not that the lens barrel is in the way -- if you took away the barrel the cat's eye bokeh would remain the same.
thanks, i always get mixed up between the words for those two.
sebboh wrote
most lenses will show a somewhat swirly pattern due to physical vignetting if you have oof point lights ources at just the right distance.thanks, i always get mixed up between the words for those two.
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:51 PM
p.10 #13Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Tariq Gibran wrote:
The swirly bokeh in that particular shot is strong to my eyes but it's likely a situation where some see it more than others (I see very clear concentric rings formed by the bokeh shape behind the dog). To me, it almost looks like a filter type effect, as if the dog is being transported into another dimension.
you have a low tolerance for swirls.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/14005562847_20c9af1f49_b.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1131/5125934595_fe229398ce_b.jpg
The swirly bokeh in that particular shot is strong to my eyes but it's likely a situation where some see it more than others (I see very clear concentric rings formed by the bokeh shape behind the dog). To me, it almost looks like a filter type effect, as if the dog is being transported into another dimension
.you have a low tolerance for swirls.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/14005562847_20c9af1f49_b.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1131/5125934595_fe229398ce_b.jpg
Sep 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM
p.10 #14Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Found some swirl in a shot of mine. CV35/1.2II, a bit faint but they're there
Sep 19, 2014 at 01:08 PM
p.10 #15Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
uhoh7 wrote:
sebboh wrote:
Philber, it's the second biggest RF 35 ever made in history!
Fair enough, but compared to the "large 35 f:1.4" that is, for example, the Sony-Zeiss FE 35 1.4, the ZM is still very much in the "small" category IMHO.
sebboh wrote:
Philber, it's the second biggest RF 35 ever made in history!
Fair enough, but compared to the "large 35 f:1.4" that is, for example, the Sony-Zeiss FE 35 1.4, the ZM is still very much in the "small" category IMHO.
Sep 19, 2014 at 01:12 PM
p.10 #16Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
sebboh wrote:
.you have a low tolerance for swirls.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/14005562847_20c9af1f49_b.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1131/5125934595_fe229398ce_b.jpg
Ha, probably. The ones you and wfrank have posted do not register to me as being as strong as the dog example, probably because there are more distinct hard edges to the concentric rings in that one maybe.
Tariq Gibran wrote
The swirly bokeh in that particular shot is strong to my eyes but it's likely a situation where some see it more than others (I see very clear concentric rings formed by the bokeh shape behind the dog). To me, it almost looks like a filter type effect, as if the dog is being transported into another dimension.http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/14005562847_20c9af1f49_b.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1131/5125934595_fe229398ce_b.jpg
Ha, probably. The ones you and wfrank have posted do not register to me as being as strong as the dog example, probably because there are more distinct hard edges to the concentric rings in that one maybe.
Sep 19, 2014 at 01:14 PM
p.10 #18Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Nothing wrong with swirls..I just was not aware that it was a "feature" of the Voigt. 35/1.2.
Sep 19, 2014 at 01:45 PM
p.10 #19Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
anybody knows when this lens will be available ? I checked BHPhoto, zeiss site but did not find that.
Sep 21, 2014 at 07:58 AM
p.10 #20Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
4th quarter of 2014. Could be anytime from 10 days to 3 months and 10 days
Sep 21, 2014 at 08:21 AM