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Archive 2014Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
p.21 #1Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I love your last 2 shots, Jack, the very last one in particular!
Let me put up a couple, including one with the helicoid adapter.
Let me put up a couple, including one with the helicoid adapter.
Mar 22, 2015 at 11:05 PM
p.21 #4Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
It seems that the lens renders quite differently than the ZE-ZF version. Anyone still have both versions ?
This one seems close to the lux FLE version, am I wrong?
Vincent
This one seems close to the lux FLE version, am I wrong?
Vincent
Mar 23, 2015 at 08:31 AM
p.21 #5Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
vitix68 wrote:
It seems that the lens renders quite differently than the ZE-ZF version. Anyone still have both versions ?
This one seems close to the lux FLE version, am I wrong?
Vincent
To me from looking at the samples, I think if anything it is closest to the Contax/Yashica mount version. The high contrast and focus transition (resulting in excellent 3D rendering) remind me somewhat of that lens. This lens may have slightly better bokeh, however, and certainly seems to have less field curvature on the modified cameras and Leica M digital.
It seems that the lens renders quite differently than the ZE-ZF version. Anyone still have both versions ?
This one seems close to the lux FLE version, am I wrong?
Vincent
To me from looking at the samples, I think if anything it is closest to the Contax/Yashica mount version. The high contrast and focus transition (resulting in excellent 3D rendering) remind me somewhat of that lens. This lens may have slightly better bokeh, however, and certainly seems to have less field curvature on the modified cameras and Leica M digital.
Mar 23, 2015 at 08:51 AM
p.21 #6Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
philber wrote:
I love your last 2 shots, Jack, the very last one in particular!
Let me put up a couple, including one with the helicoid adapter.
Wow! Love the close-up. I was definitely hoping to see the performance with the lens.
I love your last 2 shots, Jack, the very last one in particular!
Let me put up a couple, including one with the helicoid adapter.
Wow! Love the close-up. I was definitely hoping to see the performance with the lens.
Mar 23, 2015 at 08:52 AM
p.21 #9Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
A nice image Jack - but also an unfortunate combination of focus distance and background distance and a lens a little too much corrected for SA. To my eyes the "nisen-bokeh" is disturbing. I have seen worse though.
Anyone reading this may think it is about sour grapes. I think I'm spoiled by the RX1.
Anyone reading this may think it is about sour grapes. I think I'm spoiled by the RX1.
Mar 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM
p.21 #10Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Like any lens, the OOF image of the 35mm/1.4 ZM is highly variable with aperture, obviously, but also focus distance, and what kind of subject is OOF. So far I don't think I dislike any photo that I shot with this lens due to its bokeh. It's certainly smoother than any of the current M-mount 35mm lenses except perhaps the Leica Summarit 35mm/2.5, though I don't have that lens to compare anymore.
Mar 25, 2015 at 03:17 PM
p.21 #11Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Yes, very hard to catch out the RX1 even under severe provocation. We'll soon see more images from the FE 35/1.4 in order to assess the house style rendering, Jonas. It might be best not to look at too many from that one.
Mar 25, 2015 at 03:28 PM
p.21 #12Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I agree with Steve. There aren't many options for a smooth bokeh 35mm and certainly even less in the M mount.
Mar 25, 2015 at 10:01 PM
p.21 #13Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I'm a sucker for fast primes, finding the RX1 a tad slow. Excellent rendering but my search for a good fast 35mm lens didn't stop.
My favourite this far, speaking abot rendering is the Summilux-M 35/1.4 ASPH (pre-FLE). Unfortunately that lens can't deliver a critically sharp image border to border so I sold it.
I had high hopes for the ZM35/1,4 but no lens is perfect.The ZM seem to deliver for the most time but fails a little too often ( to my taste). That's all it is; personal preferences and my problem. Nothing new and not meaning the ZM is a bad lens.
My favourite this far, speaking abot rendering is the Summilux-M 35/1.4 ASPH (pre-FLE). Unfortunately that lens can't deliver a critically sharp image border to border so I sold it.
I had high hopes for the ZM35/1,4 but no lens is perfect.The ZM seem to deliver for the most time but fails a little too often ( to my taste). That's all it is; personal preferences and my problem. Nothing new and not meaning the ZM is a bad lens.
Mar 25, 2015 at 11:42 PM
p.21 #14Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
The RX1 is very smooth for sure, but sometimes to the point of mush. The ZM35/1.4 is obviously a totally different animal with a more sonnaresqe bokeh, to the point of distraction here and there, but the OOF definition can enhance many shots for me, as seen in many excellent examples above.
and of course f/1.4 can create alot more bokeh than f/2
I just reviewed many pages of the RX1 thread, and given the choice, I'll take this 35, even with it's sometimes funky diamonds.
Edward, are you used to the handling? How is size, weight and finder blockage wearing?
and of course f/1.4 can create alot more bokeh than f/2
I just reviewed many pages of the RX1 thread, and given the choice, I'll take this 35, even with it's sometimes funky diamonds.
Edward, are you used to the handling? How is size, weight and finder blockage wearing?
Mar 26, 2015 at 12:34 AM
p.21 #15Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
One more bokeh pic for Jonas to dislike, wide open. And one portrait for Steve (you didn' specify human portrait, did you?). It is a 60%-ish crop.
Mar 26, 2015 at 12:44 AM
p.21 #16Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Charlie, I got used to the finder blockage very quickly. It's not an issue for me anymore. The size and weight are just bearable. I would prefer the biogon for every day shooting but the problem is I already sold it so I'm stuck with the distagon for this focal length.
Mar 26, 2015 at 01:07 AM
p.21 #17Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
uhoh7 wrote:
The RX1 is very smooth for sure, but sometimes to the point of mush.
This one I can't agree.
TBH, only a few days, my view on this 35 Ditangon change quite a bit. You can see the hint in one of my early comment here in this thread. It is still one of better 35mm out there, but I feel I prefer RX1, ZE/ZF to this one. I thought I will keep it, but exact the reason of RX1 in hand make me hard to justify the purchase. I put it on sale with $150 loss without any taker, so I decide return it since it is still within return window.
OK, let us talk a little about RX1 sonnar, this lens is amazing. I could put this one as the best lens I ever used. It beat my $8000 Summarit or 28cron, 50lux in term of cross frame sharpness and rendering.
Is it really smooth, I agree only half, because at f2, its contrast is as high as 100MP Zeiss I had, none of my Leica lens look like that and even focus transition is very brutal, at least to my eyes. But Bokeh? it is simply beautiful.
To my eye, for wide angle lens, what is beautiful bokeh? I feel background need keep its relative shape well without edge, doubt line, high contrast, it is just like human eyes seeing. RX1 made it. Distagon 35 did not. (in some situation, it is can be weird that really bother me, it remind me of FE55, another awsome lens, but don't take it out for night photography, the bokeh highlight is ugly. )
I will at least find some RX1 samples to illustrate what I think it is wonderful Bokeh, Even though I use RX1 mostly after f5.6.
f2
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/12764474604_3da402d99e_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/12764459344_cf18d62b69_b.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7320/12648367055_7515a07fcb_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2668/13098705695_212efc8ec0_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14522666679_3b2a74e46f_b.jpg
f2.5
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3824/12815353374_9d92dc725a_b.jpg
f4
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2841/12501754343_6e90ca252b_b.jpg
So sum it up, I agree with Jonas.
The RX1 is very smooth for sure, but sometimes to the point of mush.
This one I can't agree.
TBH, only a few days, my view on this 35 Ditangon change quite a bit. You can see the hint in one of my early comment here in this thread. It is still one of better 35mm out there, but I feel I prefer RX1, ZE/ZF to this one. I thought I will keep it, but exact the reason of RX1 in hand make me hard to justify the purchase. I put it on sale with $150 loss without any taker, so I decide return it since it is still within return window.
OK, let us talk a little about RX1 sonnar, this lens is amazing. I could put this one as the best lens I ever used. It beat my $8000 Summarit or 28cron, 50lux in term of cross frame sharpness and rendering.
Is it really smooth, I agree only half, because at f2, its contrast is as high as 100MP Zeiss I had, none of my Leica lens look like that and even focus transition is very brutal, at least to my eyes. But Bokeh? it is simply beautiful.
To my eye, for wide angle lens, what is beautiful bokeh? I feel background need keep its relative shape well without edge, doubt line, high contrast, it is just like human eyes seeing. RX1 made it. Distagon 35 did not. (in some situation, it is can be weird that really bother me, it remind me of FE55, another awsome lens, but don't take it out for night photography, the bokeh highlight is ugly. )
I will at least find some RX1 samples to illustrate what I think it is wonderful Bokeh, Even though I use RX1 mostly after f5.6.
f2
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/12764474604_3da402d99e_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/12764459344_cf18d62b69_b.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7320/12648367055_7515a07fcb_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2668/13098705695_212efc8ec0_b.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2927/14522666679_3b2a74e46f_b.jpg
f2.5
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3824/12815353374_9d92dc725a_b.jpg
f4
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2841/12501754343_6e90ca252b_b.jpg
So sum it up, I agree with Jonas.
Mar 26, 2015 at 01:10 AM
p.21 #18Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
uhoh7 wrote:
The RX1 is very smooth for sure, but sometimes to the point of mush. The ZM35/1.4 is obviously a totally different animal with a more sonnaresqe bokeh, to the point of distraction here and there, but the OOF definition can enhance many shots for me, as seen in many excellent examples above.
and of course f/1.4 can create alot more bokeh than f/2
I just reviewed many pages of the RX1 thread, and given the choice, I'll take this 35, even with it's sometimes funky diamonds.
couldn't disagree more, but i'm still planning on replacing my rx1 with this lens despite preferring the look of the rx1 – i just don't like focus by wire...
The RX1 is very smooth for sure, but sometimes to the point of mush. The ZM35/1.4 is obviously a totally different animal with a more sonnaresqe bokeh, to the point of distraction here and there, but the OOF definition can enhance many shots for me, as seen in many excellent examples above.
and of course f/1.4 can create alot more bokeh than f/2
I just reviewed many pages of the RX1 thread, and given the choice, I'll take this 35, even with it's sometimes funky diamonds.
couldn't disagree more, but i'm still planning on replacing my rx1 with this lens despite preferring the look of the rx1 – i just don't like focus by wire...
Mar 26, 2015 at 01:27 AM
p.21 #19Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
I completely agree Michael. For me the 35/2 Sonnar of the RX1 is the best 35mm lens (the focal length) ever made. It's smoothness and across the frame sharpness are unreal.
Yesterday I received the new FE 35/1.4 and so far I'm quite optimistic about that lens too. It seems to have a smoother rendering than the ZM.
Yesterday I received the new FE 35/1.4 and so far I'm quite optimistic about that lens too. It seems to have a smoother rendering than the ZM.
Mar 26, 2015 at 01:36 AM
p.21 #20Zeiss ZM 35 1.4
Congratualtions on your new lens, Jochen! I look forward to seeing your images, even though, for once, we have taken separate paths. That shouldn't worry you, as I am crazy enough not to be in love with the RX-1's lens...
Mar 26, 2015 at 01:45 AM