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Archive 2004 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions

  
 
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p.1 #1 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I've had this lens for a couple of days now. I've used it to just walk around and take a few pictures and also done some comparison shots with the 50 f/1.4 and the 17-40 L. For various reasons, I don't want to post any pics just yet - I'll take some more pics at the weekend, and try to get a few samples that I think are representative of the good and bad points. At the moment I haven't used it enough to form a definitive conclusion on the image quality, and hence I can't say that any specific individual pictures would give a fair overall impression. As some people might be considering this lens, I thought I'd just share what I can safely say at this stage:

- The lens feels reasonably well made, it's about the same weight as the 17-40, and there's no wobble of the front element, even when fully extended out. Well, perhaps a very slight bit of movement, but I really do mean very slight, it feels much better made than the 18-55, or the 50 1.8 II, say. It zooms with a double extension action that looks very much like the 70-300 DO's, so it isn't really built to withstand a wet or dusty environment. There's no movement of the front element whatsoever during focusing, and the front element doesn't rotate during zooming.

- The manual focus action is a bit poor. It feels much more like the micro-USM on the 50 1.4 than the ring USM on better lenses.

- When I took some test pictures indoors, it was wider at the same focal length than the 17-40 and 50 1.4. This was when focused just a few feet away, though, it might be different at infinity. Also, I only compared to the 17-40 at 40mm, so the difference might disappear at the wider end. The exif confirmed the reported focal lengths as 41mm and 50mm, but the pictures clearly had a wider field of view. One to investigate further.

- The image quality seems reasonable. It is definitely soft wide open, but improves noticeably at f/8, and is really not bad at all at f/11. At f/5.6, from my tests so far, it looks significantly softer than the 17-40 or 50 1.4, but didn't fare too badly at all when compared at f/8 or f/11.

- The IS doesn't have mode 1 and 2, just on or off.

- What a joy to have this zoom range with IS on a 1.6 crop DSLR. There have been third party offerings that offer similar or longer ranges, but none of those have IS. I took a picture at sunset at ISO 100 1/20th sec handheld that didn't have any camera shake blur. Without IS, I'd have needed to increase the ISO to perhaps 400, which would have given me less ability to lift the shadow detail in the RAW later. To me, IS is very useful as a partial tripod replacement, even on wider lenses.

- I have seen some examples of fairly serious purple fringing at highlights, only at wider angles, and only towards the edge of the frame. This one definitely needs more tests before I can draw definite conclusions, it may have just been something about the subject that would have given the same effect with other lenses, I only saw it in one set of pictures that I took of the same scene at different focal lengths.

As I said, some sample / test pictures will follow at some point over the weekend.

Steve



Sep 17, 2004 at 08:40 AM
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p.1 #2 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I am really looking forward to more from you on the 17-85 IS.
It is the tipping factor for my decison to upgrade from the 10D to a 20D.
The 20D kit with IS lens does not seem to be available in the US yet.
I'm first on the list at my local store and they have no idea when they will get
one in.

If you are interested in doing some objective testing, take a look at
www.imatest.com. I have used Imatest for lens comparison. It's a good
tool.



Sep 17, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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p.1 #3 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


When you say its softer wideopen, how soft are we talking about?

Would USM in photoshop fix any problems?

Do you think its worth $600?

I was torn between this and the 17-40, but I eventually settled for the 17-85, for the extra reach and IS. I hope I made the right choice



Sep 17, 2004 at 11:47 AM
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p.1 #4 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


Imatest is great for comparing wide open with smaller apertures.


Sep 17, 2004 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #5 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I also have this lens, and posted another message on it this morning. I had low expectations for this lens, but have been pleasantly surprised.

You should not expect the same image quality as the 17-40, which is an "L" zoom. But the IS is really nice.

In my opinion, the 17-85IS is a high quality "consumer" lens (not the same image quality as a "L" lens), that is perfect for "walk-around" or casual shooting, but not what you'd want to use for a critical shot that you're going to print at large sizes.

One more thing - there is significant barrel distortion at the wide end, but I'm sure this can be easily corrected by PTLens, once a profile is available for this lens.

Mike



Sep 17, 2004 at 12:11 PM
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p.1 #6 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


Mike, thanks for the review. I have the 18-55mm kit lens, which isn't bad stopped down to f/8 or so (which is where you say the 17-85 is good). Do you have any idea how the 17-85 compares to the 18-55?

Thanks,

Peter



Sep 17, 2004 at 12:28 PM
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p.1 #7 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I might cancel the 17-85 and just go for the 17-40 instead. It's not much more money. I will wait until after the weekend though, to see some examples. Any chance you could post 100% crops of some of the photos, at the center, edges, etc.

Thanks
Den



Sep 17, 2004 at 12:32 PM
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p.1 #8 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I have not used the 18-55, so I have no comment on that lens. I will post some 17-85 shots after this weekend, but it probably won't be until about next Wendesday. Hopefully some other shooters can post some before then.

Mike



Sep 17, 2004 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #9 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


I have the 18-55, I got it with the 300D, so I can try that for comparison with the 17-85 too. I'm still deliberating over exactly what to shoot indoors for comparison shots. It's raining outside, and I don't want to shoot something like a newspaper stuck to a wall, because it always seems to me like that's more of a focusing test when you shoot wide open than a lens quality test as such, and I don't think the 300D's AF is accurate enough to do that sort of test meaningfully. I can't manually focus with its viewfinder any better than it can AF either.

I'll put something together now, and see if I can get some 100% crops to post before I go to sleep tonight in a couple of hours.

Steve



Sep 17, 2004 at 04:04 PM
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p.1 #10 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


can the rear portion be cut to accomodate a 10D?


Sep 17, 2004 at 04:55 PM
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p.1 #11 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


Okay, here are some 100% crops. I've just compared the 17-85, 18-55 and 17-40, as these seem to be the main options people are considering. Only had time to do 17mm for now. Shot some screws embedded in coffee granules, not sure if it's the best subject, but it has certainly shown the 17-85 to be relatively soft in the centre at f/4 and f/5.6 compared to the other lenses. I've done identical processing on all the crops, with some levels adjustment and sharpening to help bring out the detail as this made it easier to see the differences between shots. Tripod, remote release, and mirror lockup was used for all shots. The subject is angled away from the camera so you can see that focus isn't an issue - if it were, the front or back would be sharper, and I can't see any difference. I used a separate target to focus on, next to the centre subject, and confirmed that this was in focus when looking at each shot on the PC.
http://www.breeze.nildram.co.uk/17-85_17_centre.jpg



Sep 17, 2004 at 06:00 PM
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p.1 #12 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


And here are the crops from the edge:
http://www.breeze.nildram.co.uk/17-85_17_edge.jpg



Sep 17, 2004 at 06:01 PM
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p.1 #13 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


hextor, I'd say it probably can be modified to fit a 10D. Here's a picture of the back of the lens, with the 18-55 and 50 1.4 for comparison. The 18-55 and 17-85 are both zoomed to position the rear element as far back as it will go. As you can see, the 17-85 rear element doesn't even go back as far as the 18-55's:
http://www.breeze.nildram.co.uk/backfocus.jpg

Here's a pic of the 17-85 fully extended, next to the 17-40 for a size comparison:
http://www.breeze.nildram.co.uk/extended.jpg

Steve



Sep 17, 2004 at 06:26 PM
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p.1 #14 · 17-85 EF-S IS - my first impressions


Steve,
I am interested in this lens as well. Thanks for taking the time to do some tests.



Sep 17, 2004 at 08:29 PM





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