p.5 #1 · p.5 #1 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
Eyeball wrote:
I would suggest having those prints conspicuously placed around the house for when prospective boyfriends come calling.
And ones of Dad with a shotgun and a clock!
Nice to see proper trigger finger control. I have a 10 year old who is going to start firearms training in May. I thought a pro trainer (ex-special forces and good with kids) would be a better choice than doing it myself.
Another firm 2A supporter here, even though I live in California.
Now, on the pics. I don't think that holding *those* guns is necessarily edgy in the context of the rest of the pics. Given the setting and outfit, I would think cowboy shooter guns would be a little more congruent (and "tactical" boots less so...).
All in all, I like the pics and your daughter is a trooper to get photographed so much. It is like pulling teeth to get my son to sit still long enough for a pic so candids are about all I have. When I grow up I want to PP like you do!
p.5 #3 · p.5 #3 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
Since this has been a bit of a running commentary on 2A and guns in a picture, I'll add my piece to the conversation. With full disclosure, I grew up with hunting rifles in my family and my dad was an avid hunter. I'm an Army veteran. And yet, I am totally against any guns being in MY house. I'm not against guns being in other people's houses. I can't imagine an America where it was illegal to have guns.
But with all that aside, here's the deal. There are elements of art that are meant to provoke us socially. From what I've read, Lisa didn't do this with the idea that she was going to stir up a 2A debate, in fact she asked that a debate not get started. But... put together a beautiful desert sunset, a pretty girl, and an assault weapon -- and you're going to get a debate. But that's the beauty of art. And when an artist is brave enough to create art even if it's going to be controversial, to me, that's awesome. How many times have people said to Lisa that she's brave for risking her reputation or just upsetting people with these images. Others have asked for a storyline with the pictures.
What if it's just an artist expressing herself with her work?
That's it, nothing more. The debate is going to happen, that's granted, and Lisa has done well to stay out of it and let her art speak for herself. The bottom line is that if artists were all afraid of truly expressing themselves, what would we have for art? I applaud Lisa for expressing herself as an artist whether I agree with my vision of her art or not. The critiques about how Calista is dressed are all valid (in the sense that we all have our differing opinions), but as Lisa has explained, Calista is dressed exactly as Lisa wanted her to for this image.
Apr 21, 2014 at 03:13 PM
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p.5 #4 · p.5 #4 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
Sharona wrote:
Several years ago, my oldest and dearest friend lost her 24-year-old nephew. He was found, wrapped in a blanket and duct tape, stuck in a closet in his apartment. As the story played out, he and his roommate were messing around, and Jake (not real name) was accidentally shot. Jake was a longtime hunter; he and his dad enjoyed that past time and Jake had all the requisite gun training. Yet, Jake is dead. Jake's dad nearly died, too. He drank himself into oblivion, lost his job, nearly lost his home and his life. His life was completely shattered when he lost his best buddy. He can no longer work, and barely scrapes by. He is nothing but a shell. This could happen to any parent. Even those whose children are well trained in handling weapons.
I saw the photos and comments on Facebook, and had planned to just ignore it all. I was actually stunned that these photos weren't a joke. I thought the photographer was having a laugh with her daughter holding that large rifle. I was wrong. The right to bear arms, train your children, I won't deny that and I won't judge it. But some sensitivity on this subject, and in your responses to people - when children at school and shoppers at malls are being gunned down by people who are unstable but have access to guns - is definitely warranted in my humble opinion.
These photos, as ART, are open to interpretation, and not everyone will interpret them the way the artist does. On Facebook, there was a photo of Calista, lying on the ground face up, eyes staring blankly into the sky, with her holding the gun pointing up into the sky. The title of the photo: Daydreaming. A lot of people were scratching their heads, wondering what the heck a teenager, holding a gun, staring into the sky, might be daydreaming about. Many suggested suicide. All anyone got from Lisa were snide comments, about it being the artistic right of the photographer, guns don't kill people, people kill people... These were questions by people who totally love Lisa's work and were confused about the photos. They really didn't SEEM like Lisa's style.
I would very much like to hear from Lisa on what the artistic vision was. I agree that the gun photos just look forced. I don't see any artistic statements about this set, and many people have asked. All I hear is I believe in my 2A rights and I am the photographer, therefore I have the right to photograph my daughter with a gun. Sure, you do. But what was the artistic vision behind the photos? I would love to know.
And, I'm sorry, I know the photographer isn't interested in this part of the discussion, but when images are posted, commentary is fair game. As my mom taught me, you gotta take the bitter with the sweet. And I will edit to add that I have always enjoyed and have been inspired by Lisa's work and often post complimentary things in her posts. ...Show more →
Providing the bitter, is this part of your resume? My cousin committed suicied, with a "gun", because his ife cheated, my other cousin, hung himself, is the rope a visual of this?
p.5 #6 · p.5 #6 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
Beautiful photos.
The one with the assault rifle is gut-wrenching for me. Abstractly, when I look at the image, I see a symbol of sacred fertility comfortably wielding a tool of indiscriminant death. The image is, to me, strongly and painfully dissonant. This may be because my life has associated guns with warfare, crime, and accidental death. Others likely see firearms as an integral part of community survival and cultural heritage, so there is no dissonance for them in this image. What is unfortunate is that some people, perhaps experiencing a similar unpleasant sensation as I do, have reacted against the artist rather than the underlying issues.
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
I am not looking for nor do I want to hear your...anti-freedom drivel.
I didn't write what I wrote above as a (negative) criticism of the art or the artist. I place both in high esteem. Rather, I wrote it in hope that it might help Lisa (and others) understand why some people have a visceral and profoundly negative reaction to these images when others see nothing objectionable. The words "anti-freedom drivel" suggest that the artist was writing from a defensive mindset, which would be entirely expected from someone who has been attacked for her art, though I hope that particular phrase refers to knee-jerk reactions rather than disagreeing but thoughtful opinions.
It is difficult for people, myself included, to discuss the ideas rather than the discussion. Regarding the ideas--
elliotkramer wrote:
Responsible parents should not introduce a lethal device to their children.
If that's the case, parents shouldn't allow their children to operate motor vehicles. I say that as someone who probably agrees with your interpretation of the 2d Amendment but who would never consider deeming a parent irresponsible for teaching firearm safety.
Also regarding the issues--while I think most people agree that true art raises issues, I don't think people expect artists to answer the questions. Regardless of anyone's opinion about politics or legal rights, the responses to these images show that they are evocative, and in my mind that means Lisa's work has been artistically successful, even if they aren't interpreted as she intended or expected them to be.
So, regarding the photos--
Lisa, stunning, as always. Frightening, perhaps, but this is the best art I can recall seeing here on FM. I hope to be able to see your future work, and I hope you will continue to explore your visions without regard as to popular opinion of them.
p.5 #9 · p.5 #9 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
No matter what anyone's says about the photos, no one can argue that the young lady doesn't have some of the most beautiful blue eyes I have ever seen.....
p.5 #10 · p.5 #10 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
I wish the Sig was more in focus in the second-to-last photo. Also that sky is just wonderous!
My only complaint is that she's not actually shooting the firearms, and that they're not full-auto.
There are so many ignorant people out there, never EVER give in to them, their foolish beliefs, or their cries that what you're doing is somehow wrong or sick or misguided or horrific or anything else negative! When I see your daughter in these pictures, I see a young woman that can take care of herself.
I don't hunt at all, and I am a firearms instructor. I teach people how to protect themselves from the evils of this world, and believe me there are a lot. I think you're aware of this, as the firearms (not weapons, they're not doing anything yet) are not of the docile "fair weather freedom fighters" "I hunt so that means I'm pro gun but only when it means a double barrel shotgun" types, but of the far more important type. Without firearms like these, our country simply wouldn't exist. Well, actually the ones pictured a a bit nerfed and dumbed down compared to the ones back in the day, as they were the same as what the military was using. Now we can't even have those, except if we want to pay thousands of dollars and jump through tons of hoops.
So go forth! Take more pictures! But next time have muzzleflash. Let the oh so "tolerant" people that are "peace-loving" do what they may. They'll thank you later when you save their ass from some crazed murderer or a too over-zealous government that thinks it can do whatever it wants.
If they don't like this country and the principles it was founded on and the things it was founded for, they can move to Canada.
p.5 #13 · p.5 #13 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
Lisa,
My first thought was "now Lisa's just so good she can shoot holes in the clouds to create rainbows!"
I think you did a great job creating the images you desired, as always. I find the modernity of weaponry to be an additional juxtaposition to the more "classic" garb. The rainbow just tops it off to be full of contrast that could pass as a behind-the-scenes shoot from a Rodriguez movie.
p.5 #14 · p.5 #14 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
She has braces. I couldn't pay her enough to smile for a picture right now. She rocks the serious look anyways and is ALWAYS beautiful, in my opinion. I am also quite positive that a huge grin would not have gone with the feel of these images even a tiny bit.
p.5 #16 · p.5 #16 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
No, I was not aware and no it was not intentional. Additionally, these photos have absolutely NOTHING to do with Columbine. If someone wants to be offended, that is their issue and not mine. Contrary to the beliefs of some, a person with a gun does not equate to a homicidal mass murderer or a school massacre. People are easily played by lamestream media.
p.5 #17 · p.5 #17 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
I think a lot of you are looking WAY to much into this. I think it's pretty obvious that Lisa wasn't trying to make a political statement or whatever with these photos, like she said, it's just a experiment of juxtaposition.
That being said, I really don't think these work. Other people have said it, and I agree. The gun definitely seems just thrown in there for the sake of contrast. It comes off as gimmicky and forced. Maybe if she was actually firing it, or had some sort of intense look, maybe looking angry, hell I dunno. She could be holding a turkey leg and it would come across the same...yeah, that's an extreme analogy...but it still raises the same question, why? The pretty, innocent girl with a gun shot has been done a million times.
Don't get me wrong here, I LOVE your work and the photos are stunning. But juxtaposition for juxtaposition's sake, just seems beneath you.
p.5 #18 · p.5 #18 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
I love the photos - as usual! They're great.
I have one suggestion/request: When the braces are off, I'd like to see photos of Calista smiling! Perhaps she could suggest the setting for that shoot. I know that you and she prefer the serious expressions . . . . Consider this as a request from one of your and her fans.
p.5 #20 · p.5 #20 · My Stunning Daughter - an experiment in contrast and juxtaposition
It's just a title - relax. I see all sorts of silly titles on threads here from 'hot and sexy' to 'gorgeous', etc etc. It's no more or less corny than any of those. And my daughter IS quite stunning. So there.
GCasey - I will definitely do that! I do prefer serious expressions but she has a beautiful smile too. Her braces are *supposed* to come off in September.