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p.11 #1 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


Imagemaster wrote:
Has anyone seen this confirmed in writing from Tamron, or is it just hearsay


(Please note, I am copying my comment from another thread, since this one seems more appropriate for the subject.)
Today, I spoke with a Brian at Tamron USA Service Department. He said he was not aware of a firmware update, but said if I would send in my lens in they would check it out. He did say if I wanted to send my one of my cameras (7D or 5DIII) they would tune the lens to the camera, with usually about a 3 day turnaround.

I am considering sending it in with my 7D, but first want to carefully document my actions and the problems I'm seeing on the next sunny day when I'm off work.

Based on Brian's comments I am not so sure about a FW update.

Steve


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Mar 14, 2014 at 08:36 PM
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p.11 #2 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


Imagemaster wrote:
Has anyone seen this confirmed in writing from Tamron, or is it just hearsay


Imagemaster, sometime ago I posted in another thread on this lens as to the fact that it worked fine on my 1D MkIII and you asked me to prove it. I posted a reply yesterday to the first respondent to my post who also welcomed me to the forum. Subsequently I also replied to your own response to me there and I don't know if you missed it. I appreciate that it is tantamount to illegal to double post but could you take a look for me and tell me what you think. Your views are important.

The thread was https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1270895/7 and I have posted links to 4 photo's which are from a sequence of 11 and all 11, in my personal view of course, were sharp. They were shot in Ai-servo mode on my 1D MkIII but according to some the tracking shouldn't be working on this camera. If you could take a look and scroll a little further you will also see my reply to you.

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Denis.



Mar 15, 2014 at 06:55 AM
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p.11 #3 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


Denis, yes they do look sharp. Were they taken with the shutter button held down half-depressed or the shutter button pumped?

Good to hear it works with your body. Now you just have to try on some smaller birds that are travelling faster.

Tony



Mar 15, 2014 at 10:52 AM
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p.11 #4 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


Mine tracks pretty good, on fast birds too. The lens just isn't quite fast enough to keep up but the Servo does work.

See these.............

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1270350/8



Mar 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM
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p.11 #5 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


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Denis, yes they do look sharp. Were they taken with the shutter button held down half-depressed or the shutter button pumped?

Good to hear it works with your body. Now you just have to try on some smaller birds that are travelling faster.

Tony


Thanks Tony that seems to make things a little clearer for me. They were taken with the shutter button pressed half way to obtain focus then fully depressed and held down.

At the moment though, me, 600mm and small fast birds just don't get on too well. I need much more practice in that field and at f6.3 largest f-stop I would expect the lens to be a little slower than say an f4. I believe all Canon cameras are geared to f5.6 anyway with anything higher giving a different response.

I can "make" my 1D3 have the 7D problem by changing the settings closer to my favourites. In this case though I set the camera to work with the lens from default mode. So, at least in my case the Tamron 150-600 is not faulty. It works on my camera just not at my favourite settings.

Perhaps Canon's fixation with AF up to f5.6 may be part of the problem here although the 1D3 did get a firmware upgrade for f8. Was the 7D upgraded to this as well?

Denis.



Mar 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM
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denisg wrote:
They were taken with the shutter button pressed half way to obtain focus then fully depressed and held down.


That seems odd, since there are 3 seconds between 1039 & 1050.

1039 - 18:03
1044 - 18:04
1048 - 18:05
1050 - 18:06

What about the 8 images missing from the above sequence?

Perhaps Canon's fixation with AF up to f5.6 may be part of the problem here although the 1D3 did get a firmware upgrade for f8. Was the 7D upgraded to this as well?

1D series have always been able to AF at f8. No, the 7D will only AF up to f5.6. The Tamron lens "lies" to the 7D and says it is a f5.6, not a f6.3.



Mar 15, 2014 at 01:20 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
That seems odd, since there are 3 seconds between 1039 & 1050.

1039 - 18:03
1044 - 18:04
1048 - 18:05
1050 - 18:06

What about the 8 images missing from the above sequence?

1D series have always been able to AF at f8. No, the 7D will only AF up to f5.6. The Tamron lens "lies" to the 7D and says it is a f5.6, not a f6.3.


Ai-servo, Lo at 3fps. I can give you dropbox access to all 11 if you wish. Just let me know.

Denis.



Mar 15, 2014 at 04:17 PM
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p.11 #8 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


what is your problem?


Mar 17, 2014 at 08:38 AM
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The Tamron lens "lies" to the 7D and says it is a f5.6, not a f6.3.


Are you sure about that?
Judging by exif data, the lens reports itself as f/6.3, not f/5.6 at the focal lengths where f/6.3 is the maximum aperture.




Mar 17, 2014 at 09:52 AM
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birdbrain wrote:
what is your problem?


Who are you even talking to? It would help if you quote the post you are replying to.



Mar 17, 2014 at 11:36 AM
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alundeb wrote:
Are you sure about that?
Judging by exif data, the lens reports itself as f/6.3, not f/5.6 at the focal lengths where f/6.3 is the maximum aperture.



The normal focusing is at the maximum aperture of a lens, with the lens stopping down to your selected aperture to take the photo. So when he says it is lying, it is probably telling the camera that the lens has a maximum aperture of 5.6 and a selected aperture of 6.3 (or 8, 11, etc.) that is recorded with the exif data of the photo.



Mar 17, 2014 at 11:53 AM
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alundeb wrote:
Are you sure about that?
Judging by exif data, the lens reports itself as f/6.3, not f/5.6 at the focal lengths where f/6.3 is the maximum aperture.



Well someone is lying, either Tamron or Canon:

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/TC_contrast_detection_AF.html

Most DSLRs will only autofocus with lenses which are f5.6 or faster. A few models, such as the Canon EOS series 1 DSLRs can AF at f8, but only using the center AF zone. For most lenses this isn't a big issue since all Canon lenses are f5.6 or faster. There are a few 3rd party AF lenses which are as slow as f6.3 but which still AF on all EOS bodies. f6.3 is only 1/3 stop slower than f5.6 and these lenses "trick" the EOS AF system into believing the lens is actually f5.6 so that the camera will...Show more



Mar 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM
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p.11 #13 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


mitesh wrote:
Who are you even talking to? It would help if you quote the post you are replying to.


Well check all his other two posts. It may just be because he is a Newbie, or really a BirdBrain.



Mar 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM
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Sjjindra wrote:
The normal focusing is at the maximum aperture of a lens, with the lens stopping down to your selected aperture to take the photo. So when he says it is lying, it is probably telling the camera that the lens has a maximum aperture of 5.6 and a selected aperture of 6.3 (or 8, 11, etc.) that is recorded with the exif data of the photo.


I am fully aware how focusing works. Check an image taken at 600 mm f/8 and it will report f/8 as the aperture and f/6.2 as the maximum aperture.

Actually it reports f/6.2 not f/6.3 as the maximum aperture.



Mar 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM
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Imagemaster wrote:
Well someone is lying, either Tamron or Canon:

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/technical/TC_contrast_detection_AF.html



That article does not mention this 150-600 lens, does it?

Because some f/6.3 lenses report f/5.6 doesn't mean that all of them do it.




Mar 17, 2014 at 12:04 PM
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p.11 #16 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


birdbrain wrote:
what is your problem?


mitesh wrote:
Who are you even talking to? It would help if you quote the post you are replying to.


I think birdbrain is a troll. Recently registered and three out all three posts are negative personal attacks.



Mar 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM
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p.11 #17 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


alundeb wrote:
That article does not mention this 150-600 lens, does it?


No, who said it did?

Because some f/6.3 lenses report f/5.6 doesn't mean that all of them do it.

Just like the link said, There are a few 3rd party AF lenses ..........

A few is not the same as all.



Mar 17, 2014 at 12:15 PM
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p.11 #18 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/tamron/sp-150-600mm-f5-63-di-vc-usd/steves-conclusion-samples-4.html

While capturing our sample images, both a Canon 50D and Canon 60D were used. With both cameras we had some difficulty using the AF system. Since this happened with both camera bodies, we are looking at an issue with the lens. In both cases, we would have to manually focus and get close before the AF system would take over.



Mar 17, 2014 at 10:07 PM
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p.11 #19 · Tamrons Response To AI Servo Issue.


Apparently Tamron US hasn't recieved the same notice. Contacted them again and they are still saying there are no problems. Mine is going back for credit against an EF 400 f5.6. Monday is the last day for return so I'm out of time. Only a little over 200 more right now with the rebate and I'm sure a lot less hassle. Its a shame really. I have other Tamron lenses that work just fine. As I told the rep I can deal with you not knowing how to fix problem right now I can understand it taking some time what I can't deal with is stone walling.



Mar 18, 2014 at 09:13 AM
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Does anyone know whether the Tamron 150-600 will perform well on my T3i?


Apr 01, 2014 at 08:59 AM
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