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Isn't it going to be a hell of a time keeping up with it and/or raise eyebrows at your cell provider?

I don't know about you, but I spent 2 weeks in Africa and between my girlfriend and myself, I think we did about 100gb of data. Even if I assume I did that in a place with 4G infrastructure for the cell phone, it would have been a heck of a challenge.


Depends on a lot of things. My current trip probably won't break even 10GB, and lasts 6 days, so I won't have a problem uploading it through the hotel's WiFi or my phone (unlimited data with 5GB of 4G).

For 100GB, though, yeah, you'll need a local backup. My solution there would be to use the USB OTG ability of my phone, tapped into a USB 3.0 hub with 2 or 3 laptop HDDs (backups of backups) and a card reader, with a high capacity battery (or AC plug if available) to power the hub. Or, if you have enough room/extra weight allotted, a netbook or Windows Surface Pro tablet with USB 3.0 to handle the workload faster, and act as another backup location. The Surface Pro with its IPS screen would allow you to edit on the go, too. Again, transferring overnight, or when there's enough time to set everything up safely between shooting.



Jan 31, 2014 at 08:56 PM
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BlueBomberTurbo wrote:
Depends on a lot of things. My current trip probably won't break even 10GB, and lasts 6 days, so I won't have a problem uploading it through the hotel's WiFi or my phone (unlimited data with 5GB of 4G).

For 100GB, though, yeah, you'll need a local backup. My solution there would be to use the USB OTG ability of my phone, tapped into a USB 3.0 hub with 2 or 3 laptop HDDs (backups of backups) and a card reader, with a high capacity battery (or AC plug if available) to power the hub. Or, if you have enough
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What's the point with all this trouble and hassle (Google Drive, Dropbox, and website FTP through a smartphone) when you gonna shoot less than 10GB on a 6 day trip



Jan 31, 2014 at 09:23 PM
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p.3 #3 · Traveling w/o computer - backup solutions?


Sanho hyperdrive is my method.

For short trips I take an old Asus 10.5 inch netbook and an external drive. I hate travelling with tons of electronic/digital stuff like I see other do, especially when I spend months going from place to place. One plane ride, one destination, yes, take your kitchen sink if you like, but I travel light and far with minimal gear.

It is also possible to just take one small hard drive and transfer files to it in a cybercafe, then possibly have a second small hard drive for a backup, resulting in two files per image shot.

Using all CF or SD cards is very expensive on a image/gigabyte basis. Also, what if you need more and have no source to buy more?



Feb 01, 2014 at 09:16 PM
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Yesterday I dropped a spare 250GB (232GB) drive into a DVD drive HDD caddy from eBay into an unused notebook (Lenovo G460). The notebook has a 500GB 'C' drive - on which I have partitioned 250GB for photos. The notebook recognised the 'new' drive immediately - no installation problems.

On the notebook I have Photoshop CS6 and LR 5.3, and whatever else I want - a couple of crummy games for playing in boring hotels.

I can save to two physical drives - albeit in one physical space.

I have a 14.4" screen, keyboard, WiFi, ethernet, and I can connect a mouse.

I could also save out to a WD Passport (I have two old WD Passport cases lying around) if I wanted and drop that into my bag.

I know it is contrary to the topic of this thread - but that's not a bad for a travel solution.




Feb 01, 2014 at 09:22 PM
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Lars Johnsson wrote:
What's the point with all this trouble and hassle (Google Drive, Dropbox, and website FTP through a smartphone) when you gonna shoot less than 10GB on a 6 day trip


When your in the remote jungle without power and no mobile phone signal or internet then dropbox etc is not accessible. My daughter was on a NOLS course on a sea kayak in Alaska for one month without any power or any form of outside communication and the Sanho supported her well.



Feb 02, 2014 at 12:24 PM
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I recently completed a two-week trip (8 shooting days) without a laptop. Instead I used a Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA and a Nexto ND-2730. Each was fitted with a Crucial 960GB solid state drive that received about 772GB of data. Since the Nexto is more than twice as fast as the Sanho, I swapped a third SSD in and out of that one to make another copy.

I posted the info below previously in another thread, but it bears repeating.

EBH

Here are some new test results using a completely full 64GB Lexar 1000x CF card and 960GB SSD.

Nexto 2700…...…....30.0 MB/sec…...33.8 minutes…..120GB/charge
Hyperdrive UDMA....36.4 MB/sec…...27.9 minutes…..300GB/charge
Nexto 2730…….…....80.9 MB/sec…...12.6 minutes…..420GB/charge



Feb 03, 2014 at 12:56 AM
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I also have the aforementioned Hyperdrive. After dropping my previous device and destroying the internal HDD (and losing images from overseas travel) I purchased it without disk and got an SSD this time. It is lighter, shock resistant and the battery lasts longer.

That said, as a hobbyist, I think I would not bother taking the device anymore. I suppose I would just take enough memory cards with me...



Feb 03, 2014 at 12:59 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
I recently completed a two-week trip (8 shooting days) without a laptop. Instead I used a Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA and a Nexto ND-2730. Each was fitted with a Crucial 960GB solid state drive that received about 772GB of data. Since the Nexto is more than twice as fast as the Sanho, I swapped a third SSD in and out of that one to make another copy.

I posted the info below previously in another thread, but it bears repeating.

EBH

Here are some new test results using a completely full 64GB Lexar 1000x CF card and 960GB SSD.

Nexto 2700…...…....30.0 MB/sec…...33.8 minutes…..120GB/charge
Hyperdrive UDMA....36.4 MB/sec…...27.9
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Thanks for sharing the detailed data. Do you have the original Hyperdrive UDMA or the newer UDMA 2?



Feb 03, 2014 at 01:05 AM
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It is the original UDMA. I don't think the new one is any faster in the spec sheet, and there have been some comments about bugginess, so I did not buy one. If the new one is faster in reality, I'd sure like to know.

The UDMA has plenty of nice features as it is, but the quality of the display and sluggishness of the preview zooming made me give up on reviewing images in the device and simply use the LCD on the camera.

EBH



Feb 03, 2014 at 01:14 AM
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I ran the original UDMA from when it came out to about 2 months ago when the SD card slot failed to function any longer. Funny, the card slot I hardly ever used and it failed first.
I then broke down and got the UDMA 2

The UDMA 2 has an improved interface and is electrically more refined. A little lighter (miniscule amount due to mechanical optimizations). Comes with a a wifi attachment for use with various iPad type devices. That is still in the box on mine as it consumes the battery that much more. On the old UDMA you could recharge from just about any USB port. They say you can't on the newer one. Haven't tried that just yet. The UDMA 2 is in real world use no faster then the original. If you are choosing between either I would definitely go for the UDMA 2. Mine came with v36 of its OS. I personally don't take the screen too seriously for review as again the more you play with it the less time between battery charges.
I currently use a 500GB drive in mine from my old one. Purchased the "shell" only and threw a drive in in under 5 minutes.



Feb 03, 2014 at 07:00 AM
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Are any of these (hyperdrive etc) available as usb 3?


Feb 03, 2014 at 09:39 AM
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EB-1 wrote:
I recently completed a two-week trip (8 shooting days) without a laptop. Instead I used a Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA and a Nexto ND-2730. Each was fitted with a Crucial 960GB solid state drive that received about 772GB of data. Since the Nexto is more than twice as fast as the Sanho, I swapped a third SSD in and out of that one to make another copy.

I posted the info below previously in another thread, but it bears repeating.

EBH

Here are some new test results using a completely full 64GB Lexar 1000x CF card and 960GB SSD.

Nexto 2700…...…....30.0 MB/sec…...33.8 minutes…..120GB/charge
Hyperdrive UDMA....36.4 MB/sec…...27.9
...Show more


That is great info, the SSD seems a real winner in this scenario both speed and power saving.




Feb 03, 2014 at 11:45 AM
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mabidally wrote:
That is great info, the SSD seems a real winner in this scenario both speed and power saving.


Interestingly enough, I tested four types of SSDs in the ND2730 and all were rather warm after continuous write use. I'd say that they were similar to an HDD. However, the battery life is much improved with an SSD. Since the transfer rates are a third higher, a given card is copied faster. There is only a minimal improvement in copy speed with an SSD in the Hyperdrive. Battery life is improved, but I did not measure it contemporaneously.

Of course the main travel advantage of an SSD is the ruggedness.

EBH



Feb 04, 2014 at 12:48 AM
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Flowernut wrote:
Are any of these (hyperdrive etc) available as usb 3?


No. Unfortunately the UDMA 2 was only a minor upgrade, and is disappointing for the most part. It could have a much better display, USB 3.0, and a faster transfer rate.

The Nexto ND2730 has FW, but that is not so useful with most computers nowadays. The older 2700 had eSATA and USB OTG, which are both missing from the 2730.

EBH



Feb 04, 2014 at 12:53 AM
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With no USB 3.0 it looks as if they are due for updating - worth keeping an eye on in the future.


Feb 04, 2014 at 02:35 AM
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions! I will have a ton of memory cards - just in case. I mean it is Iceland after all


Feb 08, 2014 at 09:54 PM
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p.3 #17 · Traveling w/o computer - backup solutions?


I use a hyperspace UDMA reader with a 1tb HDD and it has a small screen. I DL cards directly upon removal from the camera so there is a backup of the card and before rewriting the card would burn the images to another HDD or cd/DVD somehow


Feb 09, 2014 at 02:39 AM
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Paul Mo wrote:
With no USB 3.0 it looks as if they are due for updating - worth keeping an eye on in the future.



it was just updated about a year ago to v2. there are reasons not to bother going to USB3 especially an a small battery powered device like this

I use one regularly



Feb 09, 2014 at 07:06 AM
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Well, the lack of USB 3.0 limits the device for use as an external drive. It's ridiculous not to have USB 3.0 at that price point. I remove the drive and pop it into a computer for transfer, but that's not an option for all.

The reality is that the class of portable storage devices is rapidly becoming obsolete, so we get what we get.

EBH



Feb 09, 2014 at 09:45 AM
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yep, that's been said for a few years now. not going down that easy though.

remember it didn't limit it a few years ago when there was no USB3.



Feb 09, 2014 at 09:51 AM
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