Will you prefer digital medium format for landscape/travel over Canon/Nikon high mp for example?
I was wondering if you could easily rent stuff in the UAE. Maybe there's a business opportunity there! Can you buy each one and return the one that doesn't work for you?
Regarding medium format vs a high MP DSLR, to my mind that's a very user and budget-specific call. I shoot everything from architecture (mostly for extra cash), landscapes (sell prints but not profitable - just for fun really), wildlife (mostly whales, bears and eagles - again mostly for fun but some editorial and print sales), still lifes - abstract and not (all for fun) and portraits (only for friends). For all of that, I need a general purpose camera. Medium format, as much as I would love it for a lot of the stuff I shoot, isn't the best choice for a do everything camera. And, truth be told, I kinda hate using tripods. I mean, I do use them when appropriate but I much prefer "free-hand" shooting. I also don't think a medium format cam would be the best for travel, which, given that I live in the middle of almost no where, I do a lot Oh, and I simply can't afford to add medium format to my gear list at this point If I could figure out a way to justify and afford it I would tho but it'd be a luxury and wouldn't replace my DSLR gear.
There are a couple other forums you might want to check out (and probably others as well but I know these):
I just noticed that if Canon doesn't think there's an interest or demand for a high MP, high DR sensor, they should take a look at the A7/A7R + Canon lenses thread here. 1800+ posts and nearly 125,000 views. That makes it one of the most watched threads here.
I think if it came to the point where Canon felt threatened by the Sony/Toshiba sensors, they'd either license those or sink more $$ into their own R&D. I'm sure Sony or Toshiba would be happy to sell them (somewhat reminiscent of Apple's switch to Intel processors from Motorolas). And while they seem to be emphasizing video, they can't ignore their stills shooters. Though actually, I'm actually doubtful that many stills shooters out there are really missing 36MP or 14 stops of DR.
Fortunately, as AKclimber mentined above, now Sony has provided a 36MP Exmor option to Canon glass owners with the A7r! I'd LOVE to have the 5D Mark III/A7r combo to use with Canon glass, but I just don't have that kind of cash around.
retrofocus wrote:
Why? DxO makes good tests, what is wrong there? Of course marginal differences might not really affect IQ in the real world, but it is interesting still. DxO provides some parameters in their tests which are not provided by others (T-stop in lenses for example).
I especially like the D800 vs. 1DX comparison where the D800 wins in low light ISO for sports. When you look at the graphs the 1DX is equal or better then the D800 in all their tests especially DR at higher ISO's but the D800 is still the winner in their score. Naaaahhh, no skewing of data there.
ggreene wrote:
I especially like the D800 vs. 1DX comparison where the D800 wins in low light ISO for sports. When you look at the graphs the 1DX is equal or better then the D800 in all their tests especially DR at higher ISO's but the D800 is still the winner in their score. Naaaahhh, no skewing of data there.
wasn't that based on ISO performance up to 3200 or so? I think it was also based on detail and color. maybe i'm thinking of the d800 vs 5d3?
either way, the d800 is no slouch in terms of ISO performance.
jamesmorophoto wrote:
wasn't that based on ISO performance up to 3200 or so? I think it was also based on detail and color. maybe i'm thinking of the d800 vs 5d3?
either way, the d800 is no slouch in terms of ISO performance.
DxO's own charts show that at higher ISO's the 1DX clearly wins and extends high ISO beyond the capability of the D800. DxO is delusional if they think low light sports should be capped at 3200 ISO. I shoot many venues in the 10K+ range. Sadly, they have lost credibility with this type of "analysis".
ggreene wrote:
I especially like the D800 vs. 1DX comparison where the D800 wins in low light ISO for sports. When you look at the graphs the 1DX is equal or better then the D800 in all their tests especially DR at higher ISO's but the D800 is still the winner in their score. Naaaahhh, no skewing of data there.
define, skewing of data
is it about color depth?
Landscape, DR
Low light
akclimber wrote:
I was wondering if you could easily rent stuff in the UAE. Maybe there's a business opportunity there! Can you buy each one and return the one that doesn't work for you?
Regarding medium format vs a high MP DSLR, to my mind that's a very user and budget-specific call. I shoot everything from architecture (mostly for extra cash), landscapes (sell prints but not profitable - just for fun really), wildlife (mostly whales, bears and eagles - again mostly for fun but some editorial and print sales), still lifes - abstract and not (all for fun) and portraits (only for friends). For all of that, I need a general purpose camera. Medium format, as much as I would love it for a lot of the stuff I shoot, isn't the best choice for a do everything camera. And, truth be told, I kinda hate using tripods. I mean, I do use them when appropriate but I much prefer "free-hand" shooting. I also don't think a medium format cam would be the best for travel, which, given that I live in the middle of almost no where, I do a lot Oh, and I simply can't afford to add medium format to my gear list at this point If I could figure out a way to justify and afford it I would tho but it'd be a luxury and wouldn't replace my DSLR gear.
There are a couple other forums you might want to check out (and probably others as well but I know these):
Yes, i understand, i also shoot everything so no way i can give up any of those 35mm DSLRs, but i was saying if you have the opportunity to own a digital medium format for dedicated and still photography or that kind of photography where you can take your time, will you choose MF or you still go with only 35mm DSLRs? For sports and actions i will never use MF, but what about landscapes, still life, fashion, some portraiture,...etc?
Paul Mo wrote:
Obsession with measurements is a very male thing. You're either the type that loves maths and evidence or you couldn't care less - admittedly I'm in the latter group.
DxO labs and its followers who use miniscule data points to try and prove technical superiority are a little sad, IMHO.
We are photographers not theoretical mathematicians.
Admittedly I loathe measurebation.
Images are what it's all about.
go back some years and look at Canons ads about their cameras, then all could read that is about resolution, dynamic range and other parameters that were presented as important by Canon and for the consumer to get a better picture and Canon was off course the leader.
Today when Canon is not leading the race these criteria are less important due many of you, especially at forums like Canon Rumors..
If we would believe Chuck W the Canon's U.S. spokesman every time Canon presented a new camera we would today have at least 25 stops DR .
Sorry, Canon has has dug their own grave and their sensors have not been developed in any major steps for the last 10 years regarding a parameter as DR and now they are falling behind in resolution etc and it was showing up today in different comparison as for example DXO
Mikael Risedal wrote:
Sorry, Canon has has dug their own grave and their sensors have not been developed in any major steps for the last10 years and it was is showing up today in comparison
well, then read DXO and their presentation of the sensor development from Canon and Sony ,it is quite telling about read out noise, QE , resolution etc
Im still waiting for a high resolution camera with a DR at least as in D800.
Any indication of a such camera-nope
Any indications of a sensor line with accuracy to be able to produce similar producter as Toshiba, Sony and others are doing right now?
Maybe Santa will come with new sensor lines to Canon , without this being seen in the annual report regarding investments
akclimber wrote:
I just noticed that if Canon doesn't think there's an interest or demand for a high MP, high DR sensor, they should take a look at the A7/A7R + Canon lenses thread here. 1800+ posts and nearly 125,000 views. That makes it one of the most watched threads here.
Not only here, everywhere, Dpreview, and even at Canon Rumors
Fiction is but a distraction, mostly elusive of fact, born of limitless minute details arranged to satisfy and horrify, an imagined reality some embrace fully, thinking now they know the mindset of another.
Canon is doomed, grave dug deep and wide, but there's no body to be buried, there out shooting, in actual use, fueling smiles for many and profits for a diverse global company
Mikael Risedal wrote:
define, skewing of data
is it about color depth?
Landscape, DR
Low light
DxO's own measurements in the low light sports category show the 1DX is equal or superior to the D800 beyond 1600 ISO. So why does the D800 outscore the 1DX for low light sports?
ggreene wrote:
DxO's own measurements in the low light sports category show the 1DX is equal or superior to the D800 beyond 1600 ISO. So why does the D800 outscore the 1DX for low light sports?
Because DxO has never made a lick of sense and probably never will
Can you buy each one and return the one that doesn't work for you?