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Archive 2013 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens

  
 
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p.3 #1 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Scott Stoness wrote:
I have an acratek and like it for hiking (light, strong) but based on my experience, it is more of a medium weight ballhead.

It seems to flex with my big TS-17 when I put it on and that makes me nervous.

I also don't ever feel confident with it holding with the quick release clamps. They unclamp too fast.

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I don't consider it a good heavy weight ballhead. But its on my lightweight hiking legs.



I have an Acratech GP-s.

I don't have a TS-17, but I haven't noticed any "flex" in my uses. There is a tensioning knob (for lack of a better description) that changes how the main tightening knob works.

The lever clamp version GP-s I have has an additional piece that must be depressed to unlock the lever- unlike the RRS quick release clamp, for example. I think it would be quite unlikely for it to come undone by itself.

The built-in leveling function works nicely.



Nov 26, 2013 at 07:06 AM
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p.3 #2 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Hey Scott,

I posted earlier about the BH-1 and M10, and just wanted to update. Since that post, I bought a 400/5.6L and have (another) Kirk BH-1 on the way. I bought the BH-1 again for 2 reasons, which are the size (50mm ball, more friction) and finding a used one at a great price. I will likely get a sidekick at some point for the 400, as well. If you'd like, I can post some thoughts on the 400 + BH-1, when I get back from my upcoming trip.



Nov 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM
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p.3 #3 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


jasoninak wrote:
Hey Scott,

I posted earlier about the BH-1 and M10, and just wanted to update. Since that post, I bought a 400/5.6L and have (another) Kirk BH-1 on the way. I bought the BH-1 again for 2 reasons, which are the size (50mm ball, more friction) and finding a used one at a great price. I will likely get a sidekick at some point for the 400, as well. If you'd like, I can post some thoughts on the 400 + BH-1, when I get back from my upcoming trip.


Thanks ]jasoninak. I think that the Kirk is a good ballhead and the heaviest of the bunch listed which ought to result in stability and less vibration.


That said, I have tentatively decided on the arca swiss z1 dp and am just waiting to see it before order it.

So please provide your input that is likely to be helpful to others (or myself if I change my mind after seeing the arca swiss).

My advice is that if you buy a sidekick you will be happy for a while but soon will decide to buy a full wimberly because there is lots of risk of tip over with the side kick. Spend more and save. Risking an expensive lens to save $200 does not make sense.

Scott



Nov 26, 2013 at 10:56 PM
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p.3 #4 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


danski0224 wrote:
I have an Acratech GP-s.

I don't have a TS-17, but I haven't noticed any "flex" in my uses. There is a tensioning knob (for lack of a better description) that changes how the main tightening knob works.

The lever clamp version GP-s I have has an additional piece that must be depressed to unlock the lever- unlike the RRS quick release clamp, for example. I think it would be quite unlikely for it to come undone by itself.

The built-in leveling function works nicely.


There are a number of people that really like acratech as evidenced by this post. I should have put it in the poll.

I have an acratech and really like it for hiking and a light body but I don't like it for for a heavy body with a heavy protruding lens. I don't have the lever but the the screw type.The acratech sticks up high and is light which means more leaverage and vibration off balance then a bigger heavier head.

But thats just my preference. The acratech is a good ballhead. The best ballhead is the one that is biggest that you would carry with you and the acratech is best in that dimension.


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Nov 26, 2013 at 11:09 PM
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p.3 #5 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Of the ballheads you list, I have a Kirk and I really believe it could survive a nuclear blast as mentioned earlier. I have many (many) tripod setups and this head sits on an aluminum tripod (which I use frequently) because the money spent on the lightness carbon fiber tripods would be totally voided by the Kirk. I do love it when I use it, but I don't huff it very far.

At the other end of the spectrum, I have a Markins Emille Q3 Traveller on a Gitzo 1541GT. It's light and pretty good, but not as stiff as what you are considering. I bring this up only because if you are not willing to haul your tripod to the shoot, it is worth exactly zero. Go big, but not so big you are not going to bring it (or plan to buy many setups like me.)



Nov 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM
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p.3 #6 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


I received the BH-1 just in time to take it on my trip, and it held my 7D + grip with 400/5.6 on it, no problem at all. The lens plate I was using was the Kirk LP-5, and not a longer one as some folks like to use with a gimbal. I could see balance being an issue in that scenario, however. The only time it showed any sign of creep was when the lens was pointed upward and the grip was on the camera (aka, when I was using it anyway). With that said, I don't feel the need for a gimbal any time soon. The Kirk is just as nice as I remembered it being


Dec 02, 2013 at 09:07 AM
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p.3 #7 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


I've owned or used many of the ballheads on this list, and the one I own now is the Arca Swiss Z1 DP. The others all suffered from creep/sagging/poor handling when supporting a heavy lens and camera; the Arca heads perform much better due to their patented aspherical ball.

One thing you need to keep in mind is the load factors of most of these manufacturers, apart from A/S, are grossly exaggerated. If you divide their numbers by 5 you get a reasonable approximation of the loads they will handle.



Dec 02, 2013 at 10:10 AM
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p.3 #8 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


They are all good. Get the one you like using. This is just a popularity contest.


Dec 02, 2013 at 02:15 PM
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p.3 #9 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Jeffrey wrote:
They are all good. Get the one you like using. This is just a popularity contest.


But not many people know which one they like using And it's not easy to try one of each brand



Dec 02, 2013 at 02:52 PM
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p.3 #10 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Yes, unfortunately you are correct. That's why it is better for the OP to find a way to handle a few of the models rather that start a thread that will never provide the same experience.


Dec 02, 2013 at 05:56 PM
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p.3 #11 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Ive the Arca-Swiss Z1 and the RRS BH-55. The RRS head is bigger and very well made no one should be disappointed with it and its handling is easy. However the Arca-Swiss head is like a precision watch, smooth & easy to operate and simply in my mind the undisputed King of ball heads.


Apr 17, 2015 at 10:18 AM
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I use the RRS BH-55 and love it. After trying a couple off brand knock offs, I bought this. I had the old Arca-Swiss head, bought used, but after a short while the adjustment knobs were in need of adjustment/calibration. I did want something on the short side to reduce torque when using my Astrotrac as well. It seems the RRS is the shortest head, but I doubt that is an advantage 99.999% of the time

I not only use the RRS BH-55 for general landscapes, but also for tracking the night sky. I've been in modestly gusty winds at the Athabasca glacier tracking multiple 7 minute exposures, and in nicer weather with the 400mm DO attached tracking the Rose nebula. I love it and trust it to hold true under torque and not sag a lot when I clamp it down. I like the screw release plate.

Maybe I should try the new ArcaSwiss, but for whatever gain there is in smoothness, I wind up using the Manfroto Geared head to precisely frame deep space objects. It is too hard making small adjustments otherwise. Wish I could justify the AS cube.

David



Apr 17, 2015 at 11:57 AM
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p.3 #13 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


I have the Markins Q-20. A work of art. A highly-performant and functional work of art. Like an AH-64 Apache helicopter designed by Faberge. I used to have an RRS BH-40. I loved it (still do). But I much prefer the Markins. I know: the Q20 is one weight/capacity class higher than the BH-40. But even taking that into account, I think the Q20 is simply a better ballhead.

Both Markins and RRS make great ballheads, but the difference basically comes down two things, and thus the choice might be driven by how important these things are to you: movement under tension and weight/strength ratio.

## Movement Under Tension

When loose, both are as smooth as you want a ballhead to be. When locked up, both were rock solid. When in an in-between state, i.e. under drag/tension, that is where the difference lies. The BH-40 "sticks and slips like an old car jerking down the road in the wrong gear on a cold day". I am under the impression (but have no first-hand experience/knowledge), that the design and hence functioning of the RRS BH-55 is the same. The Markins remains buttery-smooth, with a viscous damped movement. Nobody I know operationally uses (or admits to using) RRS ballheads under tension: the ballhead is either completely locked-up or completely free. The Markins allows you to fine-tune the drag so you can adjust and shoot without doing the lock/unlock cycle. This is the famous Markins "sweet-spot". In practice, I have found this feature not as useful as it seems, though, because the amount of tension to hit that sweet-spot varies not only from lens to lens, but also on angle of offset of the lens.

## Weight/Strength Ratio

Comparing the Markins Q20 and the BH-55: Markins wins this, hands down. Sure, I know: you cannot compare those manufacturer capacity ratings. But I think both the Markins and RRS can probably support a schoolbus (exaggeration, but you get the point), so for all practical purposes (i.e., load/stress of actual usuage), they are equal in strength, regardless of what failure threshold numbers actually are. But the Markins is half the weight of the RRS.

Having said all that, I think you should go with the AS. I believe (and I could be wrong) that the Markins design is a clone of the AS, and for a slightly higher weight it appears you get more capacity.


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Apr 17, 2015 at 12:37 PM
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p.3 #14 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Hi Scott,

I guess I'd have to vote for what I use - the Arca Swiss Z1 with a panning head on top. Note that the panning index on the base is rather annoying as it has no numerical markings.

This isn't on your list, but one head you might want to take a look at - the FLM Centerball 58 FTR. I'd probably buy that today if I didn't have the Z1.



Apr 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM
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p.3 #15 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Jeet,
The RRS can be a little jerky, but it does not seem to have a practical impact on me, yet. I almost bought a Markins for this reason, but I had read a number of complaints that the panning base did not lock down as well. Ordinarily this would not be an issue, but I may have a significant load with some torque on the base while tracking the night sky. I needed something absolutely fixed, locked down.

David



Apr 17, 2015 at 12:57 PM
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p.3 #16 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Sirui, https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1309471/0?keyword=bal,head#12493892


Apr 17, 2015 at 03:13 PM
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p.3 #17 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


dgdg wrote:
The RRS can be a little jerky, but it does not seem to have a practical impact on me, yet.


Yep, me too! I mentioned it because it was the most clearest operational difference between the RRS and Markins, or, at least, the one that stood out to me. But, as I noted, since I am used to the 'unlock-adjust-lock-shoot' workflow, rather than the 'adjust-shoot' workflow, plus the "sweet-spot" of drag (required for the latter) requires re-adjustment (you cannot expect the drag for a 40mm STM to be the same as a 100-400 II), there was no practical difference for me as well.

dgdg wrote:
I almost bought a Markins for this reason, but I had read a number of complaints that the panning base did not lock down as well.


Again, me too! When I first got the ballhead, I did put it through its paces. This included putting it in the freezer overnight, because I had read that it tends to get locked up when cold (it did NOT) [^1], loading up the ball with a bunch of weights and weird/awkward angles and trying to get it budge (it did not, either), etc., as well as "experiments" with the panning base. I locked the panning base and tried to see if I could get it to rotate by hand force (i.e., not using grips or a strap wrench or something). I could not get it to budge. I also tried to subject the pan base to the largest load stress that I imagined I would be using. For example, I had the rotated the center post of the Gitzo Explorer so it was parallel to the ground, and then mounted a 6D by its L-bracket side. On the 6D were: 2 SB580 speedlights on macro arms with receivers + remote flash triggers + TS-E 24mm f/3.5 iI + Samsung tablet on mount. All of this was at an angle, so that any give in the ballhead rotation axis would result in the entire rig drooping. No droop. Admittedly, in the grand scheme of things, this is not too much weight, but those macro arms + flash result in a lot of fulcrum force. A lot. Sufficient to make, e.g., the FLM leveling base shift like it was wide open even when it was locked down. Still, there is a huge difference between the weight I am describing and, e.g., an 800 f/5.6 or something, so maybe it would not work. In addition, by Markins' own admission, the pan lock is not a pan lock but a pan brake, and I imagine that this design decision itself may be sufficient for you to discount it, no matter how strong it is, depending on your use/loads.

Right now, when I lock down the panning base and apply torque, the ballhead unscrews from the tripod mount before the panning base twists (I am not using loctite or a braking screw on the ballhead + tripod attachment), so the weak point wrt rotation is the ballhead +tripod attachment, which means that the pan lock is satistfactory enough for me.

^1: Humidity, or lack thereof, may have played a part here. In humid cold conditions, or when you take the ball from a warmer/humid environment directly to a subfreezing environment, if the layer of moisture between the bald and its cradle freezes, it may immobilize the ball. At least that is what has been reported as the reason for the freezing incidents. Markins recommends a light application of WD-40 to the ball to exclude moisture between the ball and its cradle in these conditions if it is a worry.

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Apr 17, 2015 at 03:53 PM
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p.3 #18 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


Lots of good comments above. I own 3 ballheads that are on the list or similar.

ArcaSwiss B1 - the original and xlnt; I had it lock up once or twice - seems to do that every 10 years, but it has been bounced over every backroad in Oregon and many in Wyo. Not sure how long I've owned it - 2,3, or 4 decades tho.

RRS BH-40 - bought this as I found a used one ($100 off - it's the old version with dual slots) I wanted to try it and see how it felt based on a few years of experience with a BH-25 and many decades with their plates & clamps I had high expectations, which have been fulfilled.

AcraTech - bought a used one a few years ago to go light and try it out in sand, dirt, etc. Not as easy to access controls as the above, but does seem easy to clean out. I didn't like the clamp on top so tossed it and put one of my RRS clamps on it instead.

A buddy has a Markins and loves it but I have not yet tried it as his trip over from Idawho was delayed.

I am pretty sure that all the above 4 are xlnt as others noted above. Get the lightest if you have long carries in mind. Probably the AcraTech if you will work a lot in the central dust-blown deserts of Wyoming (or the Takla Makan). Otherwise, the decision factor might be ergonomics, service & support, warranty, or availability used. I expect you'll be happy with any. My original plan was to decide which one I like best and sell the others, but since I like them all I may just keep them all....



Apr 17, 2015 at 03:53 PM
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p.3 #19 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


the kirk bh1 is a bargain, got one for a little over 100. No doubt, it'll do the job, however the BH55 is the best. It's nice to look at, the clamp is outright excellent (assuming lever clamp), holding power will probably be a wash. My bh1 is probably even smoother than the BH55, but it doesnt matter much, the bh55 feels better in use. Their knobs are better, lever clamp, everything about it. Very secure, very confident.

If you're ok with single row panos, consider the Arca swiss P1. I use the P0 for the A7r, and it's a very unique ballhead. Happens to be super lightweight with great holding power, and single gear tightening is a pleasure to work with.



Apr 17, 2015 at 04:57 PM
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p.3 #20 · Best Ballhead Markins or RRS or Arca Swiss or Kirk for 5diii and TS Lens


I have a RRS BH55 and it has been a completely solid performer for me.

I also have an Acratech Ultimate Ballhead for things like backpacking photography, where the weight reduction is welcome.

Dan



Apr 17, 2015 at 08:51 PM
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