p.5 #1 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
alundeb wrote:
Thanks, Roger!
I am a bit surprised that you had to stop down to f/5.6 to reach peak center sharpness. Some of my sharpest lenses peak at f/4 and my copy of the Canon 35L even at f/2.8.
Do you think this is in the lens design, or is it possible that the extreme focus precision required at this sharpness, combined with the poor LV implementation of the D800, could be a limiting factor here?
Given the numbers, I think reality is the center is equally sharp at f/4 and f/5.6 and the small numerical difference there is just 'noise' - the variation of the test. I didn't get to do my usual dozen samples with this lens (and doubt I will anytime soon) so the variation isn't smoothed out by averaging multiple copies like usual.
p.5 #5 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
The portrait looks great. I assume it is at f1.4. This lens will be able to creat a look that none of other can do at f1.4. The image is so 'stable' at f1.4.
The 50lux m (use to be the one) is close but not there yet.
p.5 #6 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
zhangyue wrote:
The portrait looks great. I assume it is at f1.4. This lens will be able to creat a look that none of other can do at f1.4. The image is so 'stable' at f1.4.
The 50lux m (use to be the one) is close but not there yet.
If you were referring to my photo of my son, it was at f/4.0, not wide open.
I should also add that no processing beyond some noise reduction, modest sharpening and cropping was done on any of them. It was getting increasingly dimmer outside and I had to use pretty high ISO - in the case of the portrait, ISO was 3,200.
p.5 #7 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
mwilson wrote:
If you were referring to my photo of my son, it was at f/4.0, not wide open.
I should also add that no processing beyond some noise reduction, modest sharpening and cropping was done on any of them. It was getting increasingly dimmer outside and I had to use pretty high ISO - in the case of the portrait, ISO was 3,200.
Yeh, I was referring your nice portrait. I was in iphone. Such an embarrass mistake now that I see from my work computer. There is no way both eye in focus with about 50-60cm distance.
I usually pretty good about guess aperture, this lens' f1.4 performance in my mind misleading me Hopefully, I can see more samples from it in the near future, especially WO portrait. It happen a bad timing with so many interesting stuff to buy: A7/R, DF, M240 etc...
But worth the asking price, IMHO. more than any Leica Lens. 50lux M is close in value not for pure IQ but for its much smaller size.
Don't want me even talk about 58G, the more sample I see, the less I am in love. sorry, Carsten.
p.5 #8 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
zhangyue wrote:
Yeh, I was referring your nice portrait. I was in iphone. Such an embarrass mistake now that I see from my work computer. There is no way both eye in focus with about 50-60cm distance.
I usually pretty good about guess aperture, this lens' f1.4 performance in my mind misleading me Hopefully, I can see more samples from it in the near future, especially WO portrait. It happen a bad timing with so many interesting stuff to buy: A7/R, DF, M240 etc...
But worth the asking price, IMHO. more than any Leica Lens. 50lux M is close in value not for pure IQ but for its much smaller size.
Don't want me even talk about 58G, the more sample I see, the less I am in love. sorry, Carsten.
Good coma and vignette control and quite even resolution at WO are the main selling points. Described as the descendant of the Noct, it would be a very good wide-field astro lens. Niche of the niche, however (certainly how that Noct got the price point it had). It's good that some find the bokeh pleasing and the AF speed fast enough for wedding work.
p.5 #9 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
hiepphotog wrote:
Good coma and vignette control and quite even resolution at WO are the main selling points. Described as the descendant of the Noct, it would be a very good wide-field astro lens. Niche of the niche, however (certainly how that Noct got the price point it had). It's good that some find the bokeh pleasing and the AF speed fast enough for wedding work.
From night samples I see, not even good coma, mechanic vignette is also visible quite strong. I'd much prefer 2/3 of center sharp than so-so everywhere at f1.4, bokeh looking good but can't sell lens by itself.
And big size only If it is asking price at $999, seems more reasonable. I feel bad because nikon won't update their a high end 50g because of it.
p.5 #10 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
zhangyue wrote:
From night samples I see, not even good coma, mechanic vignette is also visible quite strong. I'd much prefer 2/3 of center sharp than so-so everywhere at f1.4, bokeh looking good but can't sell lens by itself.
And big size only If it is asking price at $999, seems more reasonable. I feel bad because nikon won't update their a high end 50g because of it.
Coma has to be put in a relative scale. I doubt any of current 50/1.4 would have a lower level. A tiny, yet visible, improvement might be all Nikon wants people to see. I did astro shots a few nights ago at f/1.2 with my 55 and 85. The 55 clearly has worse coma than the Nikkor samples I have seen, but not by much in the extreme corners (cropped to 58 would put them on a similar level). I would say my 85 has better coma control. The problem is I have not seen any astro shot comparison (niche of the niche for a reason) of the old Noct, new 58 and other 50s. That would be a good telltale (and I guess we would appreciate it more). Vignette-wise, it's actually better than the Otus.
p.5 #11 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
What an awesome lens.
Nov 18, 2013 at 02:41 PM
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p.5 #12 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
Wow! Those airport photos are great. The IQ is fantastic, the bokeh is very pleasant, and the rendering is very Zeiss but still more evolved from what it looks like. It looks like all the edges are nice and contrasty. Now I want one of these.
Nov 18, 2013 at 06:35 PM
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p.5 #13 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
crosdaddy wrote:
I'm guessing Zeiss is a Labradoodle
lol LAB-radoodle! that would be a suitable pup in this case!
p.5 #14 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
Jorge,
Question about images you posted here and zeissimages.com: Do you correct vignetting in RAW conversion or post processing? (or if you shoot JPG have you enabled the vignetting correction in camera)
Why I'm asking? Because your f/1.4 images show extreme small/non-existing vignetting, even according to Zeiss it should be about 2 stops in the corners (see Zeiss PDF: link)
Did you take your samples with prototype (82mm filter thread) or with production model (77mm filter thread)?
p.5 #16 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
carstenw wrote:
No need to apologise, if it isn't that interesting, that's just the way it is. I had my hopes up, but maybe I am wrong.
I am a little bit conflict myself, sometime, I feel it reminds me 80lux, especially at close distance, but I for 80, it might OK for a portrait lens, but for 50 range prime, it need a little bit more. I feel that this lens could achieve interesting effect with very smooth Bokeh, especially for portrait. Photographer still is the key with this very specialized tool.
p.5 #17 · First Shots with the Otus - Bokeh Samples
The photographer is always the key, no?
hiepphotog wrote: Good coma and vignette control and quite even resolution at WO are the main selling points.(...)
The main selling points may be different from person to person. I don't care about the vignetting, I'm not very concerned about the coma. I like the neutral (boring to some) bokeh and the fact the images are nearly free from LoCA. I have always liked APO, and nearly APO, lenses for the clean images as opposed to the green pollution so often seen in the background OOF areas. It is here as well but there is very little of it.
APO and f/1.4 - there you have the main selling points. Good resolution is OK...
