p.1 #1 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
DxOMark puts the Sony α7R sensor to the test and although predictable, the results are incredible for such small mirrorless camera. The scores are pretty much identical to Nikon's DxOMark champion D800E.
"Compared to the 36-Mpix Nikon D800 models, the results are very similar indeed, implying the new Sony A7R uses the same (Sony made) sensor."
"Although we can’t provide any commentary on image sharpness at this stage in our tests, the sensor in the Sony Alpha 7R performs exceptionally and is on a par with that found in the D800 models. Given the Sony’s small size, low weight and outstanding sensor performance, it’s one of the most intriguing and compelling new additions in recent times." - Read more
p.1 #2 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Results are basically equal to a D800E. 18% gray SNR is 1/6 stop behind the D800E. Dynamic range about the same save for the weird D800E blip at ISO 200, color response looks very close to the D800E but slightly worse. All the results look to be within the margin of error. Would have liked to see Sony improve the High ISO DR, although if it doesn't have the D800/E's amp noise it will still be a noticeable improvement over those bodies.
p.1 #6 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Mescalamba wrote:
Yea and CFA almost exactly like D800E. No A7R for me then..
I thought it has slightly worse colors than A99, but said to myself, well its JPGs. Apparently it wasnt JPGs. Sigh. :/
Well, f*ck that.. back to dSLRs.
Ehm what? The A7R is awesome, at least in the eyes of us canonites with our ancient low DR and over-milked sensor tech.
I can understand you a little bit if you already have a D800 / D800E though.. But just a little bit.
p.1 #8 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Mescalamba wrote:
Yea and CFA almost exactly like D800E. No A7R for me then..
I thought it has slightly worse colors than A99, but said to myself, well its JPGs. Apparently it wasnt JPGs. Sigh. :/
Well, f*ck that.. back to dSLRs.
I take it you are referring to the individual "color response" measurement and not the overall "Portrait (Color Depth)" score? Interestingly, it appears that it might be the case that Sony sensors with AA filters have a higher color response measurement than those without an AA filter. That is the case with the RX1 vs RX1r anyway. I don't know ultimately how important that measurement is - that it actually makes as much difference as it might seem...at least I believe theSuede said something to that extent. It was a while back when discussing the A900 (which does have amazing color and color response #s?) so I'm not 100% sure.
p.1 #9 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
uhoh7 wrote:
First negative comment I've heard about it. Is that all u got?
what else you hate?
That's really the first negative?
How about slow flash sync, no electronic first curtain, it's not free, no dual SD card slots, no IBIS, it'll be managed by Sony, my photos will still be average, no built-in flash, and it won't solve world issues
That said, I have to agree the grip is butt-ugly. Probably pretty comfortable, though.
p.1 #11 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
When people talk about "ugly" cameras or "ugly" grips, are they seriously talking about the looks of the product, or are they referring to the ergonomics?
Sad and ridiculous if it's the former. Do these people use their cameras as some kind of chick-magnets?
p.1 #12 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Rickuz wrote:
When people talk about "ugly" cameras or "ugly" grips, are they seriously talking about the looks of the product, or are they referring to the ergonomics?
Sad and ridiculous if it's the former. Do these people use their cameras as some kind of chick-magnets?
I find it a little odd that someone who is apparently interested in the visual art of photography wouldn't be interested in the visual design from a camera maker. I'm not saying that function should follow form, but they're both important.
p.1 #13 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I take it you are referring to the individual "color response" measurement and not the overall "Portrait (Color Depth)" score? Interestingly, it appears that it might be the case that Sony sensors with AA filters have a higher color response measurement than those without an AA filter. That is the case with the RX1 vs RX1r anyway. I don't know ultimately how important that measurement is - that it actually makes as much difference as it might seem...at least I believe theSuede said something to that extent. It was a while back when discussing the A900 (which does have amazing color and color response #s?) so I'm not 100% sure. ...Show more →
Simply called SMI. A7R result of 78/75 is a "meh". D800E has 77/74 (I guess these sensors are really very similar). And for example 1D-X has 73/74, which is a bit.. tragic. Especially compared to 1D/s MK3 .
Bottom is currently 6D with 69/70. Thats somewhere around "tragicomedy" level. Quite visible in all pics taken with it.
Obviously people dont have same vision of colors and some are more or less colorblind. Since most photographers are still men, which are even more colorblind, it doesnt matter that much as it could.
That said, SMI is directly tied to CFA used. Better you get, better SMI you will have as results. Downside is that thicker CFA means also less light = more noise (tho in case of something like D4 sensor, it wouldnt have exactly big impact on SNR).
Issue with SMI is that it doesnt tell "where those color errors are". It doesnt tell if camera cant find difference between violet and blue flowers, or pink vs red skin tone. Even then its rather good tool for getting overall idea how much good or bad colors will be.
In case of A7R, if you are fine with current Nikon and Canon offerings, you will be fine with this. Actually you will probably gain in colors too.
Me? I will pass and wait if Nikon came to senses with Nikon "Pure" DF or whatever that will be and see then.
p.1 #14 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
douglasf13 wrote:
I find it a little odd that someone who is apparently interested in the visual art of photography wouldn't be interested in the visual design from a camera maker. I'm not saying that function should follow form, but they're both important.
Maybe it's just me, but as long as the camera delivers in the IQ department and feels good in my hands, I wouldn't care if the Camera is pink with neon-green smiley faces all over it.
Actually, an ugly camera is probably less prone to theft also.
p.1 #15 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
douglasf13 wrote:
I find it a little odd that someone who is apparently interested in the visual art of photography wouldn't be interested in the visual design from a camera maker. I'm not saying that function should follow form, but they're both important.
A7/R looks slightly "strange" and that grip seems to follow rest of the body. It might look better, but Im not sure it would be comfortable.
Both A900 and A99 have bit "strange" grips, but both are great.
But ofc, Im always happy when camera looks nice too.
p.1 #17 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
cputeq wrote:
That's really the first negative?
How about slow flash sync, no electronic first curtain, it's not free, no dual SD card slots, no IBIS, it'll be managed by Sony, my photos will still be average, no built-in flash, and it won't solve world issues
That said, I have to agree the grip is butt-ugly. Probably pretty comfortable, though.
First negative about the grip, I mean, haha
Rickuz wrote:
Do these people use their cameras as some kind of chick-magnets?
They use them instead of chicks.....
Simply called SMI. A7R result of 78/75 is a "meh". D800E has 77/74 (I guess these sensors are really very similar). And for example 1D-X has 73/74, which is a bit.. tragic. Especially compared to 1D/s MK3 .
Bottom is currently 6D with 69/70. Thats somewhere around "tragicomedy" level. Quite visible in all pics taken with it.
Obviously people dont have same vision of colors and some are more or less colorblind. Since most photographers are still men, which are even more colorblind, it doesnt matter that much as it could.
That said, SMI is directly tied to CFA used. Better you get, better SMI you will have as results. Downside is that thicker CFA means also less light = more noise (tho in case of something like D4 sensor, it wouldnt have exactly big impact on SNR).
Issue with SMI is that it doesnt tell "where those color errors are". It doesnt tell if camera cant find difference between violet and blue flowers, or pink vs red skin tone. Even then its rather good tool for getting overall idea how much good or bad colors will be.
In case of A7R, if you are fine with current Nikon and Canon offerings, you will be fine with this. Actually you will probably gain in colors too.
Me? I will pass and wait if Nikon came to senses with Nikon "Pure" DF or whatever that will be and see then....Show more →
So, if we take the RX1 (84/81) and RX1r (79/75) example I cited, your conclusion is that these two cameras are using a completely different CFA which is why they differ? I suspect there is more to it, perhaps including the AA filter as well as software tuning. Anyway, I bet the A7 with it's AA filter will likely have a better measurement. Incidentally, the Leica M 240 only scores 75/71 but I really don't hear folks talking about how bad Leica color is. I suspect the delta has to be pretty large to really matter. Per DxO:
"In practice, the SMI for DSLRs ranges between 75 and 85, and is not very discriminating." Given the somewhat arbitrary nature of these scores you mentioned (and theSuede previously also mentioned), I don't think these scores really mean that much in practice.
p.1 #19 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
Rickuz wrote:
Sad and ridiculous if it's the former. Do these people use their cameras as some kind of chick-magnets?
not effectively.
i'm curious though, is there a manufacturer that actually does make visually appealing grips? i sure haven't seen one. to be fair though, i think pretty much all cameras are objectively ugly.
p.1 #20 · Sony A7R sensor gets high scores from DxOMark
cputeq wrote:
my photos will still be average
Rickuz wrote:
cameras as some kind of chick-magnets
I guess I really need to start reading spec sheets for what they don't include. I'm stunned that those aren't included in the box.
I think I should start a meta-rumors site about what people will complain about next, for everyone who wants to be on the cutting edge of curmudgeonry.
Do these people use their cameras as some kind of chick-magnets?