I see the uneven background on the cowboy shot now. I'll probably be joining "watch the dust settle first" group. Maybe Olympus or Fuji will have a FF answer. Or maybe the Hasselblad edition will be out by then, making this camera seem like a bargain/no brainer in comparison.
edwardkaraa wrote:
I'm not sure about you guys, but I'm loosing hope of using RF lenses on these cameras.
I decided to wait until end of 2014, and see what Zeiss is planning to introduce for this mount. By then, I should be able to get the A8R with the 58mp sensor that automatically adjusts the angle of the microlenses according to the lens you're using
I am not sure right now if I will stick with the 5N plus the ZM18 or switch to the a7 plus C/Y Distagon 28/2.8 Since this is my most used FL everything depends on how well lenses in this area do. I am in no hurry right now, I actually wanted to invest in the 50/1.8 Sony but the announcement made me postpone that purchase too - I normally only need two lenses, a 28 and something longer mainly for head and shoulder portraits. Unfortunately, the 28/2.8G seems to be out, I would do with the ZM35/2 also because I already have it, but if it's not really shining I might as well stick with my 5N with EVF.
The question that’s burning still for many of is is this…
Which one a7 or a7r for M-mount exclusive users?
(Not interested in autofocus…but want the best corners + resolution for the following, for example…)
M mount 28mm, 35mm, 40mm and 50mm.
So…preorder which camera for the entire Leica M replacement package?
The question remains, if it’s the a7 are we giving up that much resolution of the a7r just be able to shoot under 35mm? Is it worth it? Or just give up on 28mm and below entirely because the a7r is that much more superior visually and go with 35mm and up?
Calidreamin wrote:
The question that’s burning still for many of is is this…
Which one a7 or a7r for M-mount exclusive users?
(Not interested in autofocus…but want the best corners + resolution for the following, for example…)
M mount 28mm, 35mm, 40mm and 50mm.
So…preorder which camera for the entire Leica M replacement package?
A7/A7r doesn't replace M bodies. But for those of use who can't go there, might be useable.
Thanks to abysmal, clueless reporting, we have no idea how the A7r does with M glass.
Where the hell is wikileaks when you need them?
wait.......:
"Hi Steve,
I’ve got the ZM 35 f2 as well, but heard it suffers from magenta cast due to its symmetrical design. When used on my nex 7, it seems that magenta cast is rather obvious in an outdoor setting with strong sunlight. I’ve had no noticeable problems for indoor shots as well as low-light outdoor conditions. Is that true for the a7r as well? It’s one sharp lens with rich Zeiss colours and it will be a shame if I were to sell this because of the magenta cast.
Thanks
Reply
Steve Huff says:
October 31, 2013 at 6:00 am
“heard” is the key word. No issues on the A7 or 7r that I have found yet and i have been using them. Now, I have only used certain lenses a few times but the only ones I saw out of what I have with issues is the Voigt 12mm, 15mm and 21mm 2.8 Zeiss. The Voigtlander 21 1.8 seems just fine."
(back to me)I was wondering about the 21/1.8 and thinking it might be the "one" UWA in M. Heavy, but fantastic for events.
I’ve got the ZM 35 f2 as well, but heard it suffers from magenta cast due to its symmetrical design. When used on my nex 7, it seems that magenta cast is rather obvious in an outdoor setting with strong sunlight. I’ve had no noticeable problems for indoor shots as well as low-light outdoor conditions. Is that true for the a7r as well? It’s one sharp lens with rich Zeiss colours and it will be a shame if I were to sell this because of the magenta cast.
Thanks
Reply
Steve Huff says:
October 31, 2013 at 6:00 am
“heard” is the key word. No issues on the A7 or 7r that I have found yet and i have been using them. Now, I have only used certain lenses a few times but the only ones I saw out of what I have with issues is the Voigt 12mm, 15mm and 21mm 2.8 Zeiss. The Voigtlander 21 1.8 seems just fine....Show more →
i actually do have high hopes for decent performance from the cv 21/1.8 given it's design and what i've seen from 21 lux and the cv 35/1.2. time will tell of course.
Huff, like our own sebboh, are UWA snobs "not my thing", but trailer trash like moi luvvvvvvvvv them
I would look for used prices on this lens to stabilise......
If this proves to be the only 21mm RF lens to perform well for the A7r, it is still almost 4 oz less than the Contax 21mm f2.8 Distagon SLR lens and 6.6 oz less than the current Zeiss ZF 21mm f2.8 Distagon SLR lens.
uhoh7 wrote:
A7/A7r doesn't replace M bodies. But for those of use who can't go there, might be useable.
EXACTLY... with years of using my 5n with EVF, I've become smitten by the peaking experience. And now prefer it to RF most of the time. I considered a m240 when Leica tried to incorporate peaking, but lets just say for me it's not quite as usable... but thats an entirely different conversation anyway... To each his own.
For me the future is mirrorless FF with EVF, whichever the brand.
Looking for the machine, like many of us are, that will take advantage of the native focal lengths of their collection.
For me - if I can get these 3 to work wonderfully - I will sell everything else and call it a day.
M-Hexanon 28
M-Hexanon 35
Summicron 50 - type 5
Will it be the a7 or a7r or none of the above Or are we still waiting..."till next year"?
uhoh7 wrote:
53 pages and we may have our first UAW finalist?
412 grams (ugh)
lets not get to carried away yet, i just said i have high hopes for it. nobody's deigned to give me an a7 of any sort to test out yet (not that i have that lens anyway).
slungu wrote:
I am not sure right now if I will stick with the 5N plus the ZM18 or switch to the a7 plus C/Y Distagon 28/2.8 Since this is my most used FL everything depends on how well lenses in this area do..
slungu, are you satisfied with the performance of the 18 zm on your NEX as to colour shift and smearing? As it is a retro-focus, it might be expected to work better than short-focus lenses on the a7(R); but I hardly see this lens in the tests so far. So maybe the performance of this lens on the NEX can be an indication?
Calidreamin wrote:
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For me - if I can get these 3 to work wonderfully - I will sell everything else and call it a day.
M-Hexanon 28
M-Hexanon 35
Summicron 50 - type 5
Will it be the a7 or a7r or none of the above Or are we still waiting..."till next year"?
I have the M-Hexanon 28, 35, 50, and 90 lenses. (I was intrigued by the 21-35mm f/3.4-4 M-Hexanon Dual but I'm a hardcore UWA Snob and couldn't see the point of paying $2000+ for a 35mm f/4.)
I've been happy with the results from all four of my M-Hexanons on the NEX-5N. I don't shoot landscapes so performance at infinity isn't important to me but the M-Hex 28 and 35 will be among the first lenses I test when my A7r arrives (hopefully before the end of November). But I will do some infinity shots, given that enquiring minds want to know...
uhoh7 wrote:
A7/A7r doesn't replace M bodies. But for those of use who can't go there, might be useable.
It might be more than "usable" for those of us that are replacing large and heavy SLR:s though. Just because RF lenses below ~40 mm or so won't do very good, you can use tons of smallish and very good SLR lenses on it, that was dwarfed and sort of pointless on the SLR. I can live with larger WA lenses since I seldom use anything below 35 mm, and the FE 35 looks extremely good and is indeed very small and light.
Right now I just want to know on which of the cameras the CV 35/1.2 works best. It looks OK on the a7 in Rons test, but not really exciting. I might as well keep the fantastic ZF 35/1.4 for those days when I don't care about weight, and use the FE for everything else.
Edit: By the way, many here want to see samples at infinity. I'm more interested in corner-to-corner sharpness at a few meters or even close up. That's where I had the most trouble with the NEX-5N and the Summicron 28 and Summarit 35, who both gave a very curved field that needed stopping down A LOT to get sharp corners, even for websized images.
elroos wrote:
slungu, are you satisfied with the performance of the 18 zm on your NEX as to colour shift and smearing? As it is a retro-focus, it might be expected to work better than short-focus lenses on the a7(R); but I hardly see this lens in the tests so far. So maybe the performance of this lens on the NEX can be an indication?
Thanks!
I am very pleased with the ZM18 in terms of both color shift and non-smearing. My problem is with it being sensitive to thin adapters even with the F4.0 aperture and the fact that it "only" has 4.0 aperture. My ideal combination would be a FF 5N with something like the 28 Elmarit or even the ZM/28.
Thanks sebboh and michael. If I get one of the Sony bodies, it definitely will be the A7; 24MP is enough for me (I worked professionally with 12MP for years, after all).
The lens in the Voigtländer range that excites me the most is the 40/1.4; using the GX7 bodies (mostly for video), the body I walk out the door with 90% of the time is the one with the 20/1.7 on it. Terrific lens.
I can see the A7 with the 40/1.4 being perfect for me. Did I mention the 40 is tiny?
Kit Laughlin wrote:
Thanks sebboh and michael. If I get one of the Sony bodies, it definitely will be the A7; 24MP is enough for me (I worked professionally with 12MP for years, after all).
The lens in the Voigtländer range that excites me the most is the 40/1.4; using the GX7 bodies (mostly for video), the body I walk out the door with 90% of the time is the one with the 20/1.7 on it. Terrific lens.
I can see the A7 with the 40/1.4 being perfect for me. Did I mention the 40 is tiny?
And if that lens doesn't work very well, you also have the option for a smallish 40 mm SLR lens, like the Konica 40/1.8, the Voigtländer 40/2 or the Olympus 40/2. I almost forgot that I have the Konica, which is sharp and contrasty on film, so I'll have to get an adapter for that one. Bokeh is nervous at times, but distortion is low.
Huff's wrap up [1]. I find it amusing how he links to his review of zm35 that contains 100% corner crop yet a) does not give a single full-size jpeg of m lens and b) shows full-size FE 35/2.8 brick-wall shot yet not same shot of any m-lens. Anyways, as said in this thread countless times truth will come via independent tests once cameras will start shipping. And thanks to Ron once again.
