I talked to someone at Sony today, and it seems the next lenses that will be launched next year will be the 85/1.8 and 16-35/4 Zeiss. That makes an interesting line up with the Zeiss 24-70/4, 35/2.8 and 55/1.8 of native AF lenses. Add to that the MF Zeiss lenses by end of 2014.
edwardkaraa wrote:
I talked to someone at Sony today, and it seems the next lenses that will be launched next year will be the 85/1.8 and 16-35/4 Zeiss. That makes an interesting line up with the Zeiss 24-70/4, 35/2.8 and 55/1.8 of native AF lenses. Add to that the MF Zeiss lenses by end of 2014.
It's odd that Sony decided to make a wide angle prime (16/2.8) the first major prime for the NEX system, and now they may not have a wider than 30mm FE prime available for the first couple of years of the new system.
I mean, if Sony were able to just make an initial lineup of something like a 28, 35, 50 and 85 at inception, it would go a LONG way. Sure, it wouldn't make everyone happy, but it would probably cover a lot of bases.
douglasf13 wrote:
It's odd that Sony decided to make a wide angle prime (16/2.8) the first major prime for the NEX system, and now they may not have a wider than 30mm FE prime available for the first couple of years of the new system.
I mean, if Sony were able to just make an initial lineup of something like a 28, 35, 50 and 85 at inception, it would go a LONG way. Sure, it wouldn't make everyone happy, but it would probably cover a lot of bases.
Douglas,
Maybe Sony is anticipating that many will be using our lenses from other systems in the WA and UWA lenses both as SLR and RF lenses as well as the MF Zeiss lenses that are to be released in 2014 at least to start.
douglasf13 wrote:
It's odd that Sony decided to make a wide angle prime (16/2.8) the first major prime for the NEX system, and now they may not have a wider than 30mm FE prime available for the first couple of years of the new system.
I mean, if Sony were able to just make an initial lineup of something like a 28, 35, 50 and 85 at inception, it would go a LONG way. Sure, it wouldn't make everyone happy, but it would probably cover a lot of bases.
I agree that a wide angle prime (~24mm or less) would have been an excellent start. I was worried about the lack of a short tele, but if the 55mm turns out to be as good as its marketed as being, just turning on an apsc crop will make it a fine 90 equiv portrait lens. I don't need more than 16mp for portraits, for *my* work. (no fashion/advertising, just standard business headshot stuff).
With that said, the lineup is looking really good. If they can have the three primes and three f/4 zooms out by the end of 2014, thats a pretty solid setup. Like most the other people on this thread, I have some RF glass I would love to play with, but thats just for fun or art work, doesnt make or break the camera for me, particularly with the lineup above and a hopeful later high end ultrawide prime.
Maybe Sony is anticipating that many will be using our lenses from other systems in the WA and UWA lenses both as SLR and RF lenses as well as the MF Zeiss lenses that are to be released in 2014 at least to start. I would rather seen a prime in the 18-28mm range come before the 85/1.8, if the rumors are true.
Rich
If anything, they should have anticipated that manual WA/UWA lenses are the potential "problem" lenses, at least in terms of RF lenses, so that's a gap they should have filled.
naturephoto1 wrote:
Maybe Sony is anticipating that many will be using our lenses from other systems in the WA and UWA lenses both as SLR and RF lenses as well as the MF Zeiss lenses that are to be released in 2014 at least to start.
+1
I suspect that the issues with WA/UWA on digital are going to be sufficiently well served with existing SLR glass in the (adapted) Zeiss arsenal (same 24x26) and the additional (if much at all) gains to be realized with a redesign for mirrorless will be nominal for the amount of $$$$ to do so ... at least for now.
I think the telling tale will be how much the rangefinder group loves/hates the results they get with their glass on FF mirrorless as to whether or not they make a move for some killer prime UWA. I think it'll come ... just not quickly.
Given the popularity of the 17-40L/4 ... I think the 16-35/4 is a good move (even though I'd prefer a killer prime).
coffeeshakes wrote:
but if the 55mm turns out to be as good as its marketed as being, just turning on an apsc crop will make it a fine 90 equiv portrait lens. I don't need more than 16mp for portraits, for *my* work. (no fashion/advertising, just standard business headshot stuff).
That's a great point I hadn't thought of (not to mention another excuse to get the 55).
At this point, I don't think Sony could have done anything better. They have wiped the floor. They have cleaned house. Beyond all expectations, by anyone.
The camera is now sold out until January. It's all anyone is talking about anywhere.
douglasf13 wrote:
It's odd that Sony decided to make a wide angle prime (16/2.8) the first major prime for the NEX system, and now they may not have a wider than 30mm FE prime available for the first couple of years of the new system.
I mean, if Sony were able to just make an initial lineup of something like a 28, 35, 50 and 85 at inception, it would go a LONG way. Sure, it wouldn't make everyone happy, but it would probably cover a lot of bases.
Maybe they do plan to make a Sony branded wide angle.
coffeeshakes wrote:
but if the 55mm turns out to be as good as its marketed as being, just turning on an apsc crop will make it a fine 90 equiv portrait lens. I don't need more than 16mp for portraits, for *my* work. (no fashion/advertising, just standard business headshot stuff).
Interesting. I was already wondering about <36MP modes for the A7R. This coincides then nicely with my thinking of getting a correpsonding A77 for two body platform.
Sony is really gonna screw up current lens lineup here ... but likely in a good way at the end of the day. Just gonna be a pain to make the transition ... change doesn't come easy for some of us. Just when I thought I had things stabilized @ no new glass for over a year now.
uhoh7 wrote:
That sigma 14 will be ready native, I think.
At this point, I don't think Sony could have done anything better. They have wiped the floor. They have cleaned house. Beyond all expectations, by anyone.
The camera is now sold out until January. It's all anyone is talking about anywhere.
Good night, canikon.
B&H still has the A7r listed as available for Pre-order. I called my order in on October 16 because I wanted everything shipped at once. As an example, I didn't want batteries for a camera that I didn't have. The salesman told me that their system would only accept orders until they reached what they were to allocated as their initial order for the cameras. The salesman indicated that as I understood it the item would then indicate I believe out of stock, but I am not sure if this is correct.
edwardkaraa wrote:
Maybe they do plan to make a Sony branded wide angle.
Yeah, maybe, but it just seems odd to me that Sony can't get together a 3-4 prime, all Zeiss lineup for any of their systems at inception. That would bring people over from other systems more easily.
douglasf13 wrote:
but it just seems odd to me that Sony can't get together a 3-4 prime, all Zeiss lineup for any of their systems at inception. That would bring people over from other systems more easily
The should be able to get an all Zeiss lens line-up together to start -- and would have been wise to do so. Then to create huge publicity and make it a huge hit, they should just go ahead and call the thing "Contax".
;-)
douglasf13 wrote:
It's odd that Sony decided to make a wide angle prime (16/2.8) the first major prime for the NEX system, and now they may not have a wider than 30mm FE prime available for the first couple of years of the new system.
sony probably learned a lesson from that after being universally panned for releasing the NEX system where the only small lens was 24mm equiv, which is a pretty useless lens for most of the low end target market.
Lotusm50 wrote:
The should be able to get an all Zeiss lens line-up together to start -- and would have been wise to do so. Then to create huge publicity and make it a huge hit, they should just go ahead and call the thing "Contax".
;-)
sebboh wrote:
sony probably learned a lesson from that after being universally panned for releasing the NEX system where the only small lens was 24mm equiv, which is a pretty useless lens for most of the low end target market.
+1 @ 24mm can look very P&S if you haven't learned how to move your feet yet.
sebboh wrote:
sony probably learned a lesson from that after being universally panned for releasing the NEX system where the only small lens was 24mm equiv, which is a pretty useless lens for most of the low end target market.
Oh, I get that. I certainly shouldn't be the only lens, but something in that range should have been offered from the beginning, along with the 35/55/85, especially since wide angles are what we're all wondering about in the first place.
I think 35 is the better wide FL for initial launch. It's what many people will want for snapshots, and it's nice and small. A 24 probably would have been bigger.
Also, there's the ZA24/2 with the LA-EA4 adapter for those that want a really sharp and super-fast-AF wide angle. Of course, that combo is pushing $2k.
