Man is that heavy-handed, ugly NR. I don't know why NR is such an obsession. Look at all the blu-ray titles that got ruined by over the top NR. Kundun literally looks like cel animation (all-time worst NR on any title ever)!
Canon has gone over the top too, even on NR off it is sometimes still a bit heavy (for sure at the lower ISOs).
Can't judge anything about noise, then again I imagine for a Canon user the only point in this is ISO100, so, whatever.
Wow, they look quite poor. Even neglecting the crappy lens used mostly wide open, the chroma noise with NR off is terrible. At ISO 100, the neutral darkish gray areas are splotchy like the old 1Ds.
p.7 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
EB-1 wrote:
Wow, they look quite poor. Even neglecting the crappy lens used mostly wide open, the chroma noise with NR off is terrible. At ISO 100, the neutral darkish gray areas are splotchy like the old 1Ds.
EBH
hmm, I'm not seeing it. Which image and what part of it do you see this?
p.7 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Since they are couple years apart, is there any sensor improvement between A7r and D800(E)? raw samples look so fine. A7(r) is a great option for everyone here.
p.7 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Such a dilemma, what to do? I'm heavily invested in Canon glass, but this is appealing after loving my RX1. I just dont like the lens lineup and using adapters and existing big, heavy Canon lenses with reduced autofocus capabilities and bulk doesnt really appeal to me. My biggest concern is how big are these Sony lenses in person? If they're still big and bulky then I dont see much point in swapping systems when I could just wait for the next 5D variant to replace my 5Dc.
p.7 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
navyasw02 wrote:
Such a dilemma, what to do? I'm heavily invested in Canon glass, but this is appealing after loving my RX1. I just dont like the lens lineup and using adapters and existing big, heavy Canon lenses with reduced autofocus capabilities and bulk doesnt really appeal to me. My biggest concern is how big are these Sony lenses in person? If they're still big and bulky then I dont see much point in swapping systems when I could just wait for the next 5D variant to replace my 5Dc.
I know what you mean, the lens line up is disappointing. I was hoping for something along the lines of a version of the RX1 35mm f2 at least. Somewhere down the line I'll think about picking one of these up for use with alt glass, that's a few years away when it's cheaper! Although I'm going to keep an eye on second hand prices of the RX1 once these cameras have been released...
p.7 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Of course it remains to be seen how good the Sony will be in terms of overall sensor performance, and how well Canon and Nikon lenses perform on it using adaptors.
Subject to these points it seems to me that Sony are eating Canon's lunch. The A7 looks innovative, well designed, uses sensors from the best maker, has great resolution, and has the potential to turn many Canon and Nikon users into alt lens users at very low additional cost. Every time someone has threatened to sell their Canon kit here on FM the standard reply is to taunt them with having to sell all their lenses and buy in some new lens mount. Now there is an affordable and rational way to exit the Canon system without having to buy new FF lenses. That is an earth shaking development!
The next gen full frame kit from Canon had better be bloody marvelous AND at sensible prices.
p.7 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Thanks, I forgot any of the present E to EF adapter like the Metabones should work already.
Be careful! The Ver III Metabones, which is designed for full frame sensors, is the one to have. Per the FAQ docs, their other adapters do NOT support full frame sensors.
p.7 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I'm pretty excited about the Sony A7 / A7R as well. However no one has really commented on the lack of built-in flash. For a camera that's almost P&S pocketable, that seems like a big omission. I'm also surprised the LCD isn't touch-enabled, but other than those two, on paper this is a pretty impressive camera.
p.7 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
slrl0ver wrote:
I'm pretty excited about the Sony A7 / A7R as well. However no one has really commented on the lack of built-in flash. For a camera that's almost P&S pocketable, that seems like a big omission. I'm also surprised the LCD isn't touch-enabled, but other than those two, on paper this is a pretty impressive camera.
- slrl0ver
A built in flash that won't be used much is too much extra bulk and weight. I'd rather just take a flash with me the times I might need one, and save the excessive size for all other times. Sort of like a built in grip versus one that can be removed when not required.
p.7 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
David Baldwin wrote:
Of course it remains to be seen how good the Sony will be in terms of overall sensor performance, and how well Canon and Nikon lenses perform on it using adaptors.
Subject to these points it seems to me that Sony are eating Canon's lunch. The A7 looks innovative, well designed, uses sensors from the best maker, has great resolution, and has the potential to turn many Canon and Nikon users into alt lens users at very low additional cost. Every time someone has threatened to sell their Canon kit here on FM the standard reply is to taunt them with having to sell all their lenses and buy in some new lens mount. Now there is an affordable and rational way to exit the Canon system without having to buy new FF lenses. That is an earth shaking development!...Show more →
The Sonys will only sell in small volumes compared to the 5D III or D800/e. The vast majority of users need more versatile and practical photo equipment. The Sony lens lineup is a joke. Many an A7r will be used as a second or third body until Canon produces more desirable bodies/sensors. Then there will be plenty of A7r bodies resold cheaply.
p.7 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
EB-1 wrote:
The Sonys will only sell in small volumes compared to the 5D III or D800/e. The vast majority of users need more versatile and practical photo equipment. The Sony lens lineup is a joke. Many an A7r will be used as a second or third body until Canon produces more desirable bodies/sensors. Then there will be plenty of A7r bodies resold cheaply.
EBH
The key in your post is "until Canon produces more desirable bodies/sensors". You also need to include affordable in that equation. For my needs, this Sony hits a many sweet spots, size, sensor, price...and can take all my existing lens. Real winner for a landscape photographer.
p.7 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
chez wrote:
The key in your post is "until Canon produces more desirable bodies/sensors". You also need to include affordable in that equation. For my needs, this Sony hits a many sweet spots, size, sensor, price...and can take all my existing lens. Real winner for a landscape photographer.
But what about the size. The camera is small. But the FF lenses with a Metabones adaper (or other) will be very large. And there is nearly no native FF lenses for it compared to Canon/Nikon
Even neglecting the crappy lens used mostly wide open, the chroma noise with NR off is terrible. At ISO 100, the neutral darkish gray areas are splotchy like the old 1Ds.