p.55 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
freitz wrote:
Maybe I don't understand where you are going with this but what are you getting at? Canon users switching to A7r?
If people end up loving the IQ more than they love their current Canon lenses, they will gradually pick up Sony lenses to have better native support with the Sony.
p.55 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
freitz wrote:
Maybe I don't understand where you are going with this but what are you getting at? Canon users switching to A7r?
This whole thread is about Canon users buying an A7R to use with their Canon glass. It looks like it will mainly be of use for landscape, studio, macro and architecture, 3 of which will be mostly tripod bound.
p.55 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Thanks for the clarification.
I was excited for the IQ, DR and other pluses to the Sony A7R system... the size is nice, but slow AF, Lack of glass... seems to have a lot of downsides for me.
If someone was to switch completely. Which glass offers comparable performance?
p.55 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
I wonder in the end how many Canon users, will end up spending a lot more on native or alt glass than they anticipated. It'd be a shame to basically be stuck on a tripod.
I'll stick with EOS for 'native' mount lenses, with a few Fujifilm X mount lenses on the side. I already have some Alt lenses. For me, the A7R will be almost exclusively for tripod use. OTOH, I'll use my 1DX, 1DIV and 6D (and Fujis) for mostly handheld shooting.
p.55 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Not much is available in native mount....the Sony 28-70 probably isn't stellar. Both the 35 FE and 55 FE (Zeiss designs) look solid, but a little on the slow side (2.8 and 1.8 respectively.)
The Sony/Zeiss 24-70 f/4 OSS (Sony's in lens version of IS) is somewhat of an unknown right now.
What Pixel Perfect says holds true for me. I'm going to use my EF mount lenses with an adapter. But if I really like the camera, and I see native glass that looks solid....I probably will start buying those native FE lenses over time. They are going to be generally slower (f/2.8, f/4, etc it's Sony strategy to keep IQ up and size/weight down), but since I shoot landscapes predominantly...I don't mind much if they are slow.
If I decide I want to use the camera for more than tripod work...then native glass is going to be tempting.
p.55 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tsdevine wrote:
Not much is available in native mount....the Sony 28-70 probably isn't stellar. Both the 35 FE and 55 FE (Zeiss designs) look solid, but a little on the slow side (2.8 and 1.8 respectively.)
The Sony/Zeiss 24-70 f/4 OSS (Sony's in lens version of IS) is somewhat of an unknown right now.
What Pixel Perfect says holds true for me. I'm going to use my EF mount lenses with an adapter. But if I really like the camera, and I see native glass that looks solid....I probably will start buying those native FE lenses over time. They are going to be generally slower (f/2.8, f/4, etc it's Sony strategy to keep IQ up and size/weight down), but since I shoot landscapes predominantly...I don't mind much if they are slow.
If I decide I want to use the camera for more than tripod work...then native glass is going to be tempting. ...Show more →
For me If I were to switch it would be 90% handheld. At this point I don't think its worth it. Really liking the FF mirror-less size though.
p.55 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Yeah, it really matters what you shoot. I love the concept that the a7R represents for me and what I shoot so much that I fear there is only room for disappointment.
I guess I'll find out soon enough....if the cameras ever reach the shores of the US (and there aren't a huge number of people in front of me in the preorder line.)
-Tim
freitz wrote:
For me If I were to switch it would be 90% handheld. At this point I don't think its worth it. Really liking the FF mirror-less size though.
That lens is A-mount and would need an adapter, just like a Canon 24-70. Not sure if people have tested the AF with the Sony brand A-mount adapter. They have an option for an adapter that has an mirror added, not sure how that would work
p.55 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tsdevine wrote:
Not much is available in native mount....the Sony 28-70 probably isn't stellar. Both the 35 FE and 55 FE (Zeiss designs) look solid, but a little on the slow side (2.8 and 1.8 respectively.)
The Sony/Zeiss 24-70 f/4 OSS (Sony's in lens version of IS) is somewhat of an unknown right now.
What Pixel Perfect says holds true for me. I'm going to use my EF mount lenses with an adapter. But if I really like the camera, and I see native glass that looks solid....I probably will start buying those native FE lenses over time. They are going to be generally slower (f/2.8, f/4, etc it's Sony strategy to keep IQ up and size/weight down), but since I shoot landscapes predominantly...I don't mind much if they are slow.
If I decide I want to use the camera for more than tripod work...then native glass is going to be tempting. ...Show more →
The Sony 55 f/1.8 looks like it is a beauty and I may indulge in a lens or two to get some AF action going on. Maybe Sigma will release an FE 35 f/1.4.
p.55 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I still haven't decided if I will buy this camera or go the Fugi route instead. However, if I were to buy the A7r, it would be a travel camera and all I would need is the 24-70 f/4. However, I still haven't seen enough (or any) samples from that lens so I'm holding out for now. I would buy the Metabones Canon EF adaptor also and use it as needed with my Canon lenses. Probably the 17-40 and the 40 f/2.8 mostly. Of course I'd have to mount up the 600 once in a while just for kicks
p.55 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Rumours of a FF Fuji are gathering pace and that would be very interesting.
That is more than expected. It is the next logical step after the X100S with its cropped sensor and fixed prime lens. I only wonder if they instantly release a mirrorless FF model with interchangeable lenses or one with fixed lens first (or maybe two models in parallel)? I am sure Sony won't be the only manufacturer with FF mirrorless cameras for long. Exciting times!
p.55 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
That is more than expected. It is the next logical step after the X100S with its cropped sensor and fixed prime lens. I only wonder if they instantly release a mirrorless FF model with interchangeable lenses or one with fixed lens first (or maybe two models in parallel)? I am sure Sony won't be the only manufacturer with FF mirrorless cameras for long. Exciting times!
So far the rumours are for a fixed lens. I think X200 is the rumour. However, if they do do an interchangeable version then again the problem becomes the size of the lenses. Sort of the problem with this A7 system. Sure it is more compact but is it enough of a difference to be worth buying another system
p.55 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jcolwell wrote:
Canon TS-E 17/4L, TS-E 24/3.5L II, and EF 135/2L; Carl Zeiss 18mm f/3.5 ZE, 28/2.8, 50/2 ZE, 100/3.5, and 35-70/3.4; Mamiya 645 C 35/3.5 N, C 55/2.8 N, C 80/2.8 N, C 80/4 N Macro, A 120/4 Macro, A 150/2.8, and A 200/2.8 APO. Maybe my Oly's too (18/3.5, 21/3.5, 24/2.8), but only if they can deliver the IQ.
My other lenses (including the 85/1.2L II) will be used on my Canon bodies.
The small 21mm Oly with the A7R would sure make a nice compact setup. Put an Oly 24 and 35 into your pockets and you are all set to venture out with a very light compact kit capable of great results.
p.55 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
arbitrage wrote:
So far the rumours are for a fixed lens. I think X200 is the rumour. However, if they do do an interchangeable version then again the problem becomes the size of the lenses. Sort of the problem with this A7 system. Sure it is more compact but is it enough of a difference to be worth buying another system
That could well be that a Fuji FF comes with a fixed lens first only. If you really want to keep it small and low weight, this is likely all you need. Switching to another FF system makes sense as long as someone desires a better FF sensor compared to what Canon offers currently camera-wise. This is why so many pre-orders (many more than expected) for the Sony A7(R) rushed in so far.
p.55 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
freitz wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.
I was excited for the IQ, DR and other pluses to the Sony A7R system... the size is nice, but slow AF, Lack of glass... seems to have a lot of downsides for me.
If someone was to switch completely. Which glass offers comparable performance?
p.55 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
arbitrage wrote:
So far the rumours are for a fixed lens. I think X200 is the rumour. However, if they do do an interchangeable version then again the problem becomes the size of the lenses. Sort of the problem with this A7 system. Sure it is more compact but is it enough of a difference to be worth buying another system
So far the Fuji lenses have been pretty compact for the X series. I wonder if they could manage rangefinder size reductions in their FF lenses, which are much smaller than their FF counterparts. Of course rangefinders aren't AF lenses with IS, so we may never get really small lenses other than pancakes.
For me, the A7R will be almost exclusively for tripod use. OTOH, I'll use my 1DX, 1DIV and 6D (and Fujis) for mostly handheld shooting.
