p.35 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
So battery won't stop me buying Sony A7R, but it's still lame how bad the performance is and the grip is stupidly huge and ugly and certainly won't be part of my kit, so you'll just have to be anal about battery routine that's all.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that it sucks becoming a slave to battery charging. But it's a trade off. This is a mirrorless camera we're talking about here, after all.
As far as "stupidly huge"... you realize that an A7r with a grip is still not going to be bigger than a 5DIII? That seems like a rather reasonable size to me.
As far as "ugly" ... are you looking for a date or for a camera? I mean, who cares how the thing looks? I'm more interested in the performance (although I will confess, I think the grip looks rather cool )
p.35 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that it sucks becoming a slave to battery charging. But it's a trade off. This is a mirrorless camera we're talking about here, after all.
As far as "stupidly huge"... you realize that an A7r with a grip is still not going to be bigger than a 5DIII? That seems like a rather reasonable size to me.
The point is the camera is being billed as a small, lightweight FF, the size of m4/3 cameras like the OM-D E-M5, adding the grip seems rather ridiculous IMO. Compare it to the grip of the mentioned of the E-M5 for example to see how silly it looks.
Like I said won't stop me buying one, but it will be sans grip that's for sure. Also need to keep a lid on costs. $300 for the grip, $100 for spare batteries (not sure what the charger costs), $400 for adapter, we are then at $3200 and then there's little things like QR plate, another $100-200 on 32GB-63GB memory card,. Hard to get out of this for under $3500.
p.35 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
The point is the camera is being billed as a small, lightweight FF, the size of m4/3 cameras like the OM-D E-M5, adding the grip seems rather ridiculous IMO. Compare it to the grip of the mentioned of the E-M5 for example to see how silly it looks.
Like I said won't stop me buying one, but it will be sans grip that's for sure. Also need to keep a lid on costs. $300 for the grip, $100 for spare batteries (not sure what the charger costs), $400 for adapter, we are then at $3200 and then there's little things like QR plate, another $100-200 on 32GB-63GB memory card,. Hard to get out of this for under $3500....Show more →
I don't think it looks silly, and even if I did, I'd still buy a grip because it's practical for many of the situations I intend to use the camera in. The camera is indeed a small lightweight FF the size of m4/3 cameras...and it also has comparable battery life to those cameras! Without the grip you get typical mirrorless camera battery life. And now, they offer photographers an additional option to enhance the camera's capabilities beyond that. I can still be small and compact when I need it, and I can add the grip when I need it. I don't think it's silly. On the contrary, I think it's brilliant.
p.35 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
To provide some perspective on the battery life which people seem to be getting hung up on...this is not some engineering letdown on Sony's part. This is the norm for mirrorless. Let's look at the battery life ratings of some other mirrorless cameras:
The A7r is CIPA rated at 340 shots. That is well in line with expectations for a mirrorless camera. In fact, given that the sensor is bigger than any of those other cameras, I'd call that rating quite impressive.
p.35 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
chez wrote:
Just carry more batteries with you. What is the problem here?
You're only allowed a total across all your devices of two spare lithium ion batteries on Australian domestic flghts for carry-on, and none in checked baggage:
I read that as allowing you to take more batteries again installed in extra grips, but those look a little fragile to be carrying loose, and rather too much like a handgun in outline for me to want to take them through an airport. (B&H have photos of it.)
It is common to fly between Sydney and Melbourne for the day for work. I would be highly surprised if this didn't include fashion photographers on assignment, celebrity hunters at tomorrow's Melbourne Cup and so on. While you and I can live with a couple of hundred shots, 1020 shots per day is probably not enough for some of these types of applications.
p.35 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
melcat wrote:
You're only allowed a total across all your devices of two spare lithium ion batteries on Australian domestic flghts for carry-on, and none in checked baggage:
I read that as allowing you to take more batteries again installed in extra grips, but those look a little fragile to be carrying loose, and rather too much like a handgun in outline for me to want to take them through an airport. (B&H have photos of it.)
It is common to fly between Sydney and Melbourne for the day for work. I would be highly surprised if this didn't include fashion photographers on assignment, celebrity hunters at tomorrow's Melbourne Cup and so on. While you and I can live with a couple of hundred shots, 1020 shots per day is probably not enough for some of these types of applications. ...Show more →
Can't you put the batteries in checked luggage?
Edit: Just read this "and none in checked baggage"
I thought batteries were allowed in checked baggage...
p.35 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
To provide some perspective on the battery life which people seem to be getting hung up on...this is not some engineering letdown on Sony's part. This is the norm for mirrorless. Let's look at the battery life ratings of some other mirrorless cameras:
The A7r is CIPA rated at 340 shots. That is well in line with expectations for a mirrorless camera. In fact, given that the sensor is bigger than any of those other cameras, I'd call that rating quite impressive.
The A7r is CIPA rated at 270 shots according to Sony's own website in my country. And also 270 in their English website.
Battery System
NP-FW50
Supplied Battery
NP-FW50
Stamina (battery life in CIPA condition)
Approx. 270 shots
p.35 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
The point is the camera is being billed as a small, lightweight FF, the size of m4/3 cameras like the OM-D E-M5, adding the grip seems rather ridiculous IMO. Compare it to the grip of the mentioned of the E-M5 for example to see how silly it looks.
Like I said won't stop me buying one, but it will be sans grip that's for sure. Also need to keep a lid on costs. $300 for the grip, $100 for spare batteries (not sure what the charger costs), $400 for adapter, we are then at $3200 and then there's little things like QR plate, another $100-200 on 32GB-63GB memory card,. Hard to get out of this for under $3500....Show more →
p.35 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Erik_J wrote:
The A7r is CIPA rated at 270 shots according to Sony's own website in my country. And also 270 in their English website.
Battery System
NP-FW50
Supplied Battery
NP-FW50
Stamina (battery life in CIPA condition)
Approx. 270 shots
In mirrorless cameras, nearly all the battery power goes into the video feed either for the LCD or the EVF. I have made some tests on my NEX-7 and the results were quite telling:
When shooting continuously, with AF for each image, and OSS on, I could get 5000 shots out of one battery charge. The CIPA rating assumes 30 seconds delay between each shot, and that is what sucks power, 30 seconds of video feed and display for each shot! In parctical use, it is essential to turn the camera off if you are not using the LCD or EVF even for some seconds, if you want to preserve the battery. An on- off cycle doesn't draw much power.
p.35 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Don't get me wrong - most of you know that I like the idea of the A7(R) and support the availability or more choices in the market for FF cameras. I am also impressed by the photos we seen - but I am still missing the 1:1 comparison of photos taken with the A7(R) and a Canon FF camera using the same EF lens. If I wouldn't know that above posted photos have been taken with the Sony camera, I could have guessed that they were taken with any other FF camera.
Coming back to above discussion, funny how some make the batteries and the grip a big deal of disadvantage of this camera. This is indirectly spoken a good sign - if this is all to complain about, we really have a winner here by the specs. I rarely take more than 200 photos in a day with any of my DSLRs - one battery would simply be fine with me, maybe a second one just in case as spare.
p.35 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
mttran wrote:
It will make canon thinking twice on their next DSLR products
haha but why? Besides the mpx count, I mean? I don't get a 'medium format' feel from these shots...and don't get me wrong, I wait with baited breath for a high mp body from Canon too (almost went after a MF 645D), but what about the sample shots posted so far have people saying 'I wish my 5DIII could do that'? Or is their nothing (yet!) to say that over?
PS IDGAF about battery life, what a silly thing to make or break a purchase over.
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