p.31 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artd wrote:
No, we are not all at all about hyperbole here. If you want to feed into that, that's your choice. I will not. Reading the scores to me, the difference looks so small as to be within a margin of error. Trying to take the miniscule difference displayed in DxO scores and say that it's "worse" is basically just trying to fan the flames.
As far as AF being slower, it very well may be, but exactly "how much" slower is not yet known and will likely be a subjective topic. Battery life.... 340 shots seems pretty good for a mirrorless full frame camera. How is that great? I would ask the reverse. How is that shitty? ...Show more →
340 shots is very little No camera that I have bought had a number that low.
p.31 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Beats my Sigma DP1 and DP2 Merrills, they are rated for 97 shots.....they actually include two batteries when you buy the camera. So 340 in that frame of reference seems great. In terms of the 5D III the story is opposite. It's all relative and will be one thing in a list of many to consider when making a buying decision.
p.31 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Erik_J wrote:
340 shots is very little No camera that I have bought had a number that low.
How many people go out and shoot more than 300 shots in a single day, that's not sports or BiF?
Even if you're on a long trip, just pack more batteries, and maybe get the battery grip too, then you have 680 shots at once.
You have to keep in mind that the A7r is a franken-cam made up of an amalgam of existing parts and pieces that Sony has developed over time, all rolled into one unit. The battery from NEX, the VF from the A99 (which itself was developed for the film & TV industry), the sensor from the Nikon partnership, and so on. The successor will most likely be a purpose-built camera with a new battery to support the addition of a full-time VF.
p.31 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Kolor-Pikker wrote:
How many people go out and shoot more than 300 shots in a single day, that's not sports or BiF?
Even if you're on a long trip, just pack more batteries, and maybe get the battery grip too, then you have 680 shots at once.
You have to keep in mind that the A7r is a franken-cam made up of an amalgam of existing parts and pieces that Sony has developed over time, all rolled into one unit. The battery from NEX, the VF from the A99 (which itself was developed for the film & TV industry), the sensor from the Nikon partnership, and so on. The successor will most likely be a purpose-built camera with a new battery to support the addition of a full-time VF....Show more →
A lot of people shoot 300+ shots in one day I would guess. I have done it many times. And that's why I would need maybe 3 batteries for that camera
p.31 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I bought 2 extras, for my shooting that would be enough most of the time. Will probably pick up one more...but considering I don't even have the camera, I guess two is enough.
p.31 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Erik_J wrote:
And when I used a film camera I could shoot 100 rolls of film without changing battery
Or you could shoot infinitely with a Nikon FM.
But you had to rewind and reload every 36 (or so) frames - that's a lot of opening the back of the camera and feeding the tongue! I think we can live with the Sony despite battery life not being impressive.
p.31 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Paul Mo wrote:
That's almost ten rolls of film before needing to change anything.
Yep, people need to put thi gs into perspective. Rarely when I go out for a shoot do I bring back more than 100 images...so this battery limitation is really noise for me...and from my perspective, that is all that really matters.
Others just like to poke holes into anything. Glass always half full syndrome.
p.31 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
SKumar25 wrote:
For those worrying about the battery, there's always the grip...
It looks like the grip adds a second of the undersized battery packs. That's not exactly much of an improvement, and it adds substantially to the bulk.
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p.31 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
SKumar25 wrote:
For those worrying about the battery, there's always the grip...
The camera + grip is the most ugly thing that I have ever seen
Battery time is rather bad. It's not a big deal but it would be a lot better with a long lasting battery of course. I suspect it will be even worse when using the Metabones smart adapter with EXIF, autofocus and image stabilization (IS) lens support.
And no battery charger when buying the camera either. So if I'm buying the A7R, then I will buy a charger and 3 more batteries from the start. Why not include the charger with the camera and raise the price with $ 30-50?
p.31 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I believe it can hold 1 or 2.
-Tim
EB-1 wrote:
It looks like the grip adds a second of the undersized battery packs. That's not exactly much of an improvement, and it adds substantially to the bulk.
p.31 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars Johnsson wrote
The camera + grip is the most ugly thing that I have ever seen
It's ugly as sin. Probably means it's going to very ergonomic.
And no battery charger when buying the camera either. So if I'm buying the A7R, then I will buy a charger and 3 more batteries from the start. Why not include the charger with the camera and raise the price with $ 30-50?
Is this really a problem? Why do people keep mentioning this? It doesn't really matter much.
I figure Sony thought that NEX/RX owners would be the primary target of this camera, and they already have a charger, so why pack in another one. Or what if you want both an A7 and A7r, then you'd have two chargers again.
In case no one noticed, Sony isn't doing too hot in it's annual income report, so they need to keep costs down and sales up. Packing the charger separately is a good strategy for that. Any pack-in is essentially a freebie, so they'd be losing money on each unit sold, the cameras would still sell for their current price, charger or not, as the price of a camera has nothing to do with box contents, but from careful market research.
p.31 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
chez wrote:
Yep, people need to put thi gs into perspective. Rarely when I go out for a shoot do I bring back more than 100 images...so this battery limitation is really noise for me...and from my perspective, that is all that really matters.
Others just like to poke holes into anything. Glass always half full syndrome.
Or some just like to acknowledge that the camera is $2700+ when purchased for EF lenses. Same price as D800 and 5d3
p.31 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Or some just like to acknowledge that the camera is $2700+ when purchased for EF lenses. Same price as D800 and 5d3
Yes...in the same neighborhood in price...but this camera is not about price now is it. It's all about being able to use Canon compatible lenses with a fabulous sensor...something we did not have access to prior to this camera. The price tag coming in less than the D800e and 5d3 is really a bonus. The small size and great manual focus abilities really puts the cherry on top.
p.31 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
If the image quality pans out like many think that it will when coupled with lenses like the 24 TS-E II, then the price is really a moot point. It will be a bargain for a tool of that quality. Criticism of short battery life is a diversion. Batteries are cheap and everyone should have at least a couple of spares for any camera they own anyway. And on that point, no one complained too much about the battery life of the original 1Ds, which was a real world 300-400 in normal temps and went down to completely anemic 50-100 at 20 deg. Fahrenheit.
No camera that I have bought had a number that low. 
