p.29 #1 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
David Baldwin wrote:
Hello Sven
"But I can't understand why " the Sonys also establish that the cost of full frame bodies needs to come down
And if Canon don't release a FF that is significantly cheaper than the 6D. Then you will buy a Sony that is not significantly cheaper than the 6D"
Well I know you can shop around for price, but taking one well known UK dealer's prices:
6D £1475
A7 £1299
Bearing in mind the 6D is now discounted as the early adopters have gone, the A7 price will also drop in time to be even cheaper.
Bottom line: Sony have effectively lowered the market price for a top of the line FF sensor. Canon's future releases need to reflect this new reality. A month ago I would have to accept whatever Canon asked for a full frame body, now I can opt to go Sony. Real choice, and I fully expect Canon will rise to the challenge, perhaps late 2014...Show more →
First you refer to a dealer that have a very expensive 6D price (because it fit your purpose) And even then,£ 176 is not significantly cheaper. With the A7 you also have to buy at least one adapter and a battery charger which isn't included
p.29 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
You know you should stop with your erroneous claims that the 5d3 pricing was wrong.
Sony just released a camera with a 2yr old sensor that is worse than the D800 and shitty AF and battery life and very expensive and slow native glass for $2300. I don't see that having much impact on FF pricing of real semi-pro DSLR bodies. Canon also released a low cost FF and are hitting that market. They won't be combining the 6d and 5d lines. I'd fully expect the next 5d series to be above 3k again.
That "2yr old sensor" kicks the shit out of anything in the Canon lineup and will most likely be better than anything they will release in the next year in the DR dept. If that technology is considered 2yrs old that makes Canon's current sensor technology 7yrs old. Battery life will not be an issue for LS as you won't be clicking off hundreds of images in AI servo.
How could a 2K body not have an impact on Canon's plan to gouge for an 8K high MP 1DS brick that can't match the DR of a 2K body that's less than half the size/weight and 1/4th the cost? You will see these little "disposable" A7r in many LS'ers bags until Canon responds, IF they are even able to catch up some day.
p.29 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artsupreme wrote:
That "2yr old sensor" kicks the shit out of anything in the Canon lineup and will most likely be better than anything they will release in the next year in the DR dept. If that technology is considered 2yrs old that makes Canon's current sensor technology 7yrs old. Battery life will not be an issue for LS as you won't be clicking off hundreds of images in AI servo.
How could a 2K body not have an impact on Canon's plan to gouge for an 8K high MP 1DS brick that can't match the DR of a 2K body that's less than half the size/weight and 1/4th the cost? You will see these little "disposable" A7r in many LS'ers bags until Canon responds, IF they are even able to catch up some day....Show more →
Few things.
It certainly isn't a 2k body. It is $2300 plus adapter (400) and battery and charger. So closer to 3 than 2.
To have an impact on pricing for a mass market camera, it needs to appeal to enough people to make a dent in Canon sales. So far it doesn't seem to have that universal appeal. To many limitations in design and function.
And don't generalize your view of the landscape shooter to everyone else. Many people hike and camp with a camera. Others do time lapse, HDR and panos. If it is really in the ~3-400 shot range, you will need another battery. Not everyone shots from a car with easy access to power.
p.29 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Few things.
It certainly isn't a 2k body. It is $2300 plus adapter (400) and battery and charger. So closer to 3 than 2.
To have an impact on pricing for a mass market camera, it needs to appeal to enough people to make a dent in Canon sales. So far it doesn't seem to have that universal appeal. To many limitations in design and function.
And don't generalize your view of the landscape shooter to everyone else. Many people hike and camp with a camera. Others do time lapse, HDR and panos. If it is really in the ~3-400 shot range, you will need another battery. Not everyone shots from a car with easy access to power....Show more →
5DIII's could be had for $500 less than initial release price after they gouged all the early adopters. This goes for all electronics, this camera will be had at 2K in no time.
Need another battery? You could probably pack 10 of them in your bag and still have a lighter pack than you would with a 1D brick for landscape. Or, Just pack 2 complete a7r packages in your bag for less than it would cost for a single Canon 1D high MP body
Dont' hate on Sony for kicking Canon's ass in this market, instead embrace it because it's only going to get you your next camera for less $$ with less crippling. Kind of like how 6D can be had around $1200 now instead of initial offering, and you might actually get a joystick next time instead of a crippled wheel.
p.29 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
Few things.
It certainly isn't a 2k body. It is $2300 plus adapter (400) and battery and charger. So closer to 3 than 2.
To have an impact on pricing for a mass market camera, it needs to appeal to enough people to make a dent in Canon sales. So far it doesn't seem to have that universal appeal. To many limitations in design and function.
And don't generalize your view of the landscape shooter to everyone else. Many people hike and camp with a camera. Others do time lapse, HDR and panos. If it is really in the ~3-400 shot range, you will need another battery. Not everyone shots from a car with easy access to power....Show more →
Another battery and charger is just noise in the big scheme of things. The ability to use my collection of Canon lenses with a modern sensor at a very reasonable price is what this is all about. I would have purchased a D800e 2 years ago if I could easily use my lens, but I could not. That barrier has been taken down with the Sony. For my type of photography, landscapes, I just don't see anything offered today by Canon that will make me hesitate in purchasing a A7r as soon as possible.
If Canon miraculously comes out with new sensor technology which leaps over the Sony sensors, then I would look closely at the Canon camera...but if history has taught us anything, Canon will release this new sensor in either a crippled, but still expensive 5-series camera, or it will release it to the elite 1-series $8,000 level...none of which I have much interest in.
p.29 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artsupreme wrote:
Dont' hate on Sony for kicking Canon's ass in this market, instead embrace it because it's only going to get you your next camera for less $$ with less crippling. Kind of like how 6D can be had around $1200 now instead of initial offering, and you might actually get a joystick next time instead of a crippled wheel.
But that is exactly what jctriguy and some others here are afraid of.....falling Canon prices! That's behind all their arguing. The rest is just a bubble around to smear things.
p.29 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Well that just eliminated one of the hurdles for going non-Canon.
The lens question held me back from a D800E but no so now.
I think I would still keep a Canon body for AF issues with Canon lenses.
Maybe get a 1DMkIV for that & the Sony for my landscape work.
I like this!
p.29 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
tsdevine wrote:
The strengths and weaknesses are more of a personal thing. I'm a landscape shooter....so things like AF, fast glass, battery life, etc take a backseat to DR, resolution. For a sports shooter, for example, you'd get a different answer in terms of what is important.
-Tim
I have no problem with this separation of features so why does a body like the 5D3 (or 5D4) have to match the price level of the new Sony which strengths are along different lines?
p.29 #9 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
But that is exactly what jctriguy and some others here are afraid of.....falling Canon prices! That's behind all their arguing. The rest is just a bubble around to smear things.
Sorry for my lack of tact here. But your paranoia and general attitude are both frustrating and incredibly sad. Have a wonderful day with the rest of your groupies.
p.29 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
ggreene wrote:
I have no problem with this separation of features so why does a body like the 5D3 (or 5D4) have to match the price level of the new Sony which strengths are along different lines?
Don't bother with logic around here. 10 people on this board want a Sony camera back and they are all right about everything. Heck, they can even buy a new A7r for 300 less than retail and get free adapters and batteries.
p.29 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
artsupreme wrote:
5DIII's could be had for $500 less than initial release price after they gouged all the early adopters. This goes for all electronics, this camera will be had at 2K in no time.
Need another battery? You could probably pack 10 of them in your bag and still have a lighter pack than you would with a 1D brick for landscape. Or, Just pack 2 complete a7r packages in your bag for less than it would cost for a single Canon 1D high MP body
Dont' hate on Sony for kicking Canon's ass in this market, instead embrace it because it's only going to get you your next camera for less $$ with less crippling. Kind of like how 6D can be had around $1200 now instead of initial offering, and you might actually get a joystick next time instead of a crippled wheel....Show more →
It's jus ridicilous to compare and brag about how much better the Sony is compared to a 1D series camera for landscape shooting. It would be as ridicilous to compare those bodies for sport or action shooting.
p.29 #12 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Sven
"First you refer to a dealer that have a very expensive 6D price (because it fit your purpose)" I was quoting Warehouse Express who are pretty mainstream I would have thought.
Actually have a look at Amazon UK, £1550 and £1764.
I don't mind if you think I am an idiot, I do mind if you say I am deliberately skewing the argument "to fit my purpose". Apart from paying the least possible for the best FF sensor I don't have a purpose here.
Please do quote me a significantly cheaper 6D price from a reputable UK dealer who offers full UK guarantee etc.
The adapter point is fair enough, but alot of us will pay for the adaptor to get access to a whole new system AND keep our EF lenses. Each to their own. But that still represents alot of landscape, product and portrait types who will buy Sony, not Canon next time. That should be a downward price pressure.
p.29 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I don't understand some people here. If you like the Sony, like me, buy it. If you don't like the Sony...don't buy it.
Am I missing something here? Do we need to nitpick about batteries and chargers? Either buy it and enjoy, or don't and continue shooting with whatever you shoot today. Is this just too logical for some folk?
p.29 #14 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Come on Chez, this is a gear forum! If you don't want to think about kit that's fair enough, but this is the wrong place to worry about people that do.
I come here to talk about cameras because in my country its too depressing to talk about politics, much more fun to argue about whether we should use protective filters on our lenses etc. Besides it would drive my wife nuts if I talked about this stuff at home, FM is therapy!
p.29 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
chez wrote:
I don't understand some people here. If you like the Sony, like me, buy it. If you don't like the Sony...don't buy it.
Am I missing something here? Do we need to nitpick about batteries and chargers? Either buy it and enjoy, or don't and continue shooting with whatever you shoot today. Is this just too logical for some folk?
You might notice that the post I replied to was talking about how the Sony would cause a drop to the prices of Canon FF. I simply pointed out the fact that the Sony is closer to 3k than 2k and basically the same cost as the 5D and D800. So it won't drop prices at all, in my opinion.
None of that has anything to do with whether it is a good camera for certain people. So, yes you are missing something here.
p.29 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
You might notice that the post I replied to was talking about how the Sony would cause a drop to the prices of Canon FF. I simply pointed out the fact that the Sony is closer to 3k than 2k and basically the same cost as the 5D and D800. So it won't drop prices at all, in my opinion.
None of that has anything to do with whether it is a good camera for certain people. So, yes you are missing something here.
Really. Here are a few of your posts in this thread:
"Sorry for my lack of tact here. But your paranoia and general attitude are both frustrating and incredibly sad. Have a wonderful day with the rest of your groupies."
"Don't bother with logic around here. 10 people on this board want a Sony camera back and they are all right about everything. Heck, they can even buy a new A7r for 300 less than retail and get free adapters and batteries."
p.29 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Leaving bickering aside, it does seem that the A7R is a very strong contender for second body to the owner of a 5DIII or IDs. It can use the same lenses, it adds relatively little weight and bulk, is very colmpetitively priced and it can actually outperform it for certain uses, like landscape. Almost a no-brainer methinks, unless one insists on the second body being identical to the first for reasons of practicality.
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p.29 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
I'm much more interested in using the A7R with my MF lenses. And keeping my Canon AF lenses for my Canon bodies
p.29 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Lars and Philber's comments really hit home in my case. I have a 5D II, shoot predominantly landscape (and some macro), which makes the a7R very enticing. I'm usually using live view and my go to lenses are manual focus....BUT they are EF mount. So this is very, very, enticing. Buy the adapter and I can use all my lenses on both the 5D II, where AF will be better for my autofocus lenses (when I need it), and the a7R for my landscape work. It really is a no-brainer for me.
I understand though that for many, it won't make sense due to what they shoot, differing priorities on what features are important, etc.
-Tim
philber wrote:
Leaving bickering aside, it does seem that the A7R is a very strong contender for second body to the owner of a 5DIII or IDs. It can use the same lenses, it adds relatively little weight and bulk, is very colmpetitively priced and it can actually outperform it for certain uses, like landscape. Almost a no-brainer methinks, unless one insists on the second body being identical to the first for reasons of practicality.
