p.12 #2 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
I go even a step further - my impression is that some (Canon-police) in this forum are getting a paycheck from Canon and disguise themselves as professionals or amateuers.
Yes, and these same people have seen the second shooter in the grassy knoll, know what's really in Area 51, and have seen Barak Obama's birth certificate. Sheesh.
p.12 #3 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
Seeing the writing style and the timing of responses of some, I suspect that the same person sometimes posts with two separate anonymous identities here to make her/his points appear more valid and supported. But this is difficult to prove, and I only wanted to mention it here as addition to what was said above (has nothing to do with the topic of this discussion).
One would hope that the sysadmins of fm.com can pick off sock puppets.
p.12 #4 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
The A7/A7r is good news for Canon shooters. Though I will likely not buy the body, it is good to have the DR capabilities of Sony's sensor in the Nikon D800/D800e bodies available to Canon shooters.
p.12 #5 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
mitesh wrote:
Yes, and these same people have seen the second shooter in the grassy knoll, know what's really in Area 51, and have seen Barak Obama's birth certificate. Sheesh.
p.12 #6 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
ggreene wrote:
One would hope that the sysadmins of fm.com can pick off sock puppets.
I don't know that that is happening, but on a related note:
A big time Canon wildlife shooter here created a second account last year, using his main account to stay above the fray and then a second account to support his main account's posts and to brutally, in out of character ways for the main account or just about any account here for that matter, trash a few other users here. He got found out quickly when the posts were noticed to come from same IP address spaced in a suspicious timing pattern .
(BTW Obama's birth certificate is what Area 51 was built to hold. The man on the grassy knoll told me.)
p.12 #7 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
A big time Canon wildlife shooter here created a second account last year, using his main account to stay above the fray and then a second account to support his main account's posts and to brutally, in out of character ways for the main account or just about any account here for that matter, trash a few other users here. He got found out quickly when the posts came from same IP address spaced in a suspicious timing pattern .
(BTW Obama's birth certificate is what Area 51 was built to hold. The man on the grassy knoll told me.)
I saw one person in special disappearing from this forum all of sudden whom I suspected to have double accounts, too. The likely second account of this person is still valid and used in the similar person's style of posting. But I think this is only the tip of the iceberg.
p.12 #8 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
retrofocus wrote:
I saw one person in special disappearing from this forum all of sudden whom I suspected to have double accounts, too. The likely second account of this person is still valid and used in the similar person's style of posting. But I think this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Name names. Lets have a good ol'fashioned lynching here
p.12 #10 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
I'm not sure but I believe one name that fits is "jctriguy". So if I were you jc, I'd watch out for that poster.
When you have truth on your side, you don't need to watch out for anything Fred could easily verify that I have never had another account on this site. Not sure why anyone would bother wasting time on that. Maybe just to silence someone that isn't critical enough??
p.12 #11 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
jctriguy wrote:
When you have truth on your side, you don't need to watch out for anything Fred could easily verify that I have never had another account on this site. Not sure why anyone would bother wasting time on that. Maybe just to silence someone that isn't critical enough??
p.12 #13 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
skibum5 wrote:
I was joking.
I know. And, I certainly don't pay much attention to people that immediately call you a 'fanboy' or 'Canon police' at the first hint that you aren't as critical of something as they expect you to be. This thread has been effectively derailed to follow the conspiracy theories of one poster. First time that Obama's BC has been brought up in connection to Area 51 in a thread on Sony cameras in the Canon forum
p.12 #15 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Back to the original topic
I think I'll be in the group waiting for the prices of these 'digital backs' to come down, or for Canon to release a new camera that combines the good from the Sony and Canon. Would be willing to pay much more for a single body that meets all/most of my needs.
Mainly looking for these mirrorless to have vastly improved AF before I would consider them as the main camera. I like the EVF for manual focus, my eyes don't work so well with small VF and poor focusing screens. And if they are a 2nd body for specific purposes, they would need to be much cheaper. If they released a model closer to 1k, I might start getting interested.
p.12 #16 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
PhilDrinkwater wrote:
With the a7r, I wonder if Sony isn't trying to pull an Apple...?
Apple couldn't make their PC's mainstream, so they went around the back: created iTunes/iPod, created iPhone and iPad and became a massive brand and - low and behold - their PC's become popular too.
Are Sony doing the same? Create a mirrorless that gives so many people what they want, including the ability to use their current lenses, in the hope that eventually enough people will move to Sony for their DSLRs too?
They're playing a long game if that's their plan, but a clever one... although potentially one nicked from Apple ...Show more →
Um, hate to burst your bubble (naah I actually enjoy doing that), but Sony doesnt make dSLRs anymore. And in close future they will most likely abandon dSLTs too. All will be replaced with mirrorless.
Right now is Sony making what people want, which is what people are willing to buy and you actually dont need any deeper agenda than that to be successful.
p.12 #17 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Mescalamba wrote:
Right now is Sony making what people want, which is what people are willing to buy and you actually dont need any deeper agenda than that to be successful.
How many sports, wedding or wildlife shooters are using mirror-less cameras? How many are likely to use them in the future in their current form? In their current format these cameras have limited use. "People" don't want what Sony is making, just "some people" I, for eg, along with millions of others, want what Canon is making. In the real world there are thousands of talented photographers around the world making superb images with 5dii's and 5Diii's every day, despite the "limited DR", not worrying about having 2 stops less DR than exmor sensored camera users. I'd bet that once the product cycles of the 5D3 and A7/A7R have run their course the 5D3 sales are substantially higher.
That said, I do think that somewhere down the line the current form factor of D/SLR's could be phased out in favour of a small, fast, rugged mirror-less style body and I think Canikon will be the ones to successfully implement it, not Sony.
p.12 #18 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Mescalamba wrote:
Right now is Sony making what people want, which is what people are willing to buy and you actually dont need any deeper agenda than that to be successful.
Yet they are still way off the pace in sales. They are abandoning DSLR becuase they can't compete. They made half-hearted attempt with the SLT's but they are just not competing against the likes of D7100, 7D, D5300, 70D etc. Just like Pansonic and Olympus abandoned DSLR's rapidly to move to mirrorless for their survival, Sony has no real choice either, although they aren't fighting for their survival. Sony of course has pulled a rabbit out of their arse and released FF mirrorless and with excellent specs, and it might just be they get as many sales from Canon and Nikon users and Sony users, so it could be a masterstroke. Now they have a big head start, but if Canon and Nikon do release FF mirrorless themselves (already Nikon appears set for major announcement about some hybrid FF) and Canon gets it sensors act together, Sony could again be under pressure. They'll most likely have a good few years coming up though and I'll probably be adding to their sales barring a miracle from Canon.
p.12 #19 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Bones74 wrote:
How many sports, wedding or wildlife shooters are using mirror-less cameras? How many are likely to use them in the future in their current form? In their current format these cameras have limited use. "People" don't want what Sony is making, just "some people" I, for eg, along with millions of others, want what Canon is making.
That sounds great. But believe it or not, most photography is concentrated around static or semi-static subjects. This includes portraits, landscapes, studio work, macro work, architectural, urban, product photography, still life, fine arts, e.t.c. The list can be made very long.
What I'm trying to say is that most photographers don't need a 1kg camera with one gazillion focus points.
I sure don't. What I do want however, is "the ultimate image quality" at base ISO, and this is where Canon has fallen behind. So thank you Sony, for picking up where Canon left off.
p.12 #20 · Sony A7 and A7r Full Frame with Canon Lenses
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Yet they are still way off the pace in sales. They are abandoning DSLR becuase they can't compete. They made half-hearted attempt with the SLT's but they are just not competing against the likes of D7100, 7D, D5300, 70D etc. Just like Pansonic and Olympus abandoned DSLR's rapidly to move to mirrorless for their survival, Sony has no real choice either, although they aren't fighting for their survival. Sony of course has pulled a rabbit out of their arse and released FF mirrorless and with excellent specs, and it might just be they get as many sales from Canon and Nikon users and Sony users, so it could be a masterstroke. Now they have a big head start, but if Canon and Nikon do release FF mirrorless themselves (already Nikon appears set for major announcement about some hybrid FF) and Canon gets it sensors act together, Sony could again be under pressure. They'll most likely have a good few years coming up though and I'll probably be adding to their sales barring a miracle from Canon....Show more →
As another poster correctly said - they do what people want. Sony was smart enough to observe a gap in the market (especially on Canon's side) and used its existing sensor technology to move forward. I also agree that they have to sustain this - we don't know yet if they are able to pull out a next generation Exmor sensor in upcoming years. Seeing how successful the current high MP/high DR sensor was, I doubt that they will sell a new generation (successor) sensor again to Nikon but cash in the profits on their own if possible.
Nikon has the advantage that they had time to vest into a future sensor technology after the D800 came out - who knows what the next step is in their likely D900 model. Canon suffers the most pressure now since they don't have such sensor out yet. Not even the one which has similar specs as the current Sony sensor. Question of course is if they even want to compete in this market, maybe Canon's strategy changed by only focusing on video, and high performance (high fps, excellent AF etc) specs. Seeing recent Canon developments, this is a possibility as much as they might come up next year with a really competitive product which performs even better. We will know for sure next year.
Fred could easily verify that I have never had another account on this site. Not sure why anyone would bother wasting time on that. Maybe just to silence someone that isn't critical enough??