p.92 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I tried stopping by the Sony store today, but they don't open until 11! Pretty shockingly late. Then I tried downloading and reading the manual, but the thing is completely and utterly unreadable, easily the worst manual I have ever read by at least two orders of magnitude. Stunningly bad.
p.92 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
carstenw wrote:
I tried stopping by the Sony store today, but they don't open until 11! Pretty shockingly late. Then I tried downloading and reading the manual, but the thing is completely and utterly unreadable, easily the worst manual I have ever read by at least two orders of magnitude. Stunningly bad.
Now I don't know what to do
Kharma, I'm afraid
You may get the one with the tilted sensor, at least it will have a shaky shutter
p.92 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
carstenw wrote:
I tried stopping by the Sony store today, but they don't open until 11! Pretty shockingly late. Then I tried downloading and reading the manual, but the thing is completely and utterly unreadable, easily the worst manual I have ever read by at least two orders of magnitude. Stunningly bad.
Now I don't know what to do
There's no need for a manual. Just configure your buttons to what you want them to do and shoot away. I don't think I ever opened the manual for my D700 either.
p.92 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Carsten: It is a bad manual. I keep looking for them to update it or put out a more detailed guide.
Just heard my FE35/2.8 is in stock downtown; camera only shipping from Sony's Toronto warehouse to the store tomorrow, so I guess I'm going to be waiting until next week.
Going to use that to push them for a deal on a charger .
p.92 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Question for A7/R:
1. Can I charge all three Battery with two in the grip at the same time?
2. How fast to charge a batt by Camera?
answer to this will be the decision factor to buy a charger or not.
3. AF: I assume AF sensitivity will be the same anywhere in the frame than a strong center one from DSLR, is this right?
p.92 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
carsten, the manual confirms it is not meant to be. If you walk in the shop, the a7r will fire a shot off, the door will lock from all the vibration and noise and you will be trapped inside. Just you and the Sonys
p.92 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
philip_pj wrote:
carsten, the manual confirms it is not meant to be. If you walk in the shop, the a7r will fire a shot off, the door will lock from all the vibration and noise and you will be trapped inside. Just you and the Sonys
And they won't forget all the things he said about them
p.92 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
There's no need for a manual. Just configure your buttons to what you want them to do and shoot away. I don't think I ever opened the manual for my D700 either.
I bought one here locally in Korea, it came with a Korean-only manual.
The first day was kinda confusing, but I have it set up so well now that it blows my mind.
Really the only area where the camera is disappointing me is the battery life. Horrible battery, possibly even worse than the NEX-6.
p.92 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
yeah, but why wouldn't a camera come with an AC adapter is this to plug directly into camera, or to charge battery separately?
You don't have to be smart about it uhoh. doesn't matter what something cost, if it should be included, it should be included. If it's to operate the camera tethered to power, then of course, that wouldnt' be included, but if it's to charge the battery, it should be included, I rest my case.
p.92 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
3D.Doug wrote:
yeah, but why wouldn't a camera come with an AC adapter is this to plug directly into camera, or to charge battery separately?
You don't have to be smart about it uhoh. doesn't matter what something cost, if it should be included, it should be included. If it's to operate the camera tethered to power, then of course, that wouldnt' be included, but if it's to charge the battery, it should be included, I rest my case.
I think they are following the cell phone model these days... Anyway, rather than get all worked up over it when I got my NEX-6, I bought a charger and spare battery for $9 total on Ebay. Works fine...
p.92 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
shelt wrote:
I think they are following the cell phone model these days... Anyway, rather than get all worked up over it when I got my NEX-6, I bought a charger and spare battery for $9 total on Ebay. Works fine...
I have a few batteries around from my NEX cameras. One thing I noticed is that a cheap ebay one I bought for the original NEX5 doesn't work in my NEX7, but the genuine NEX5 battery does work with the NEX7.
p.92 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Component costs, packaging costs, shipping costs. If they can save money, they will continue to push the boundaries. I remember the first time I got a camera that didn't come with a charger -- Olympus XZ-1. Now, I have a 2nd, Ricoh GR. The sony A7r will be my 3rd. Soon, I'm sure Nikon D5 and Canon 1D VI will have no chargers. What can you do other than grin and bear it?
p.92 #16 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
fungz0r wrote:
Like what Kai said in his vid, it is kinda nice that you can use one of those portable chargers to charge your camera on the go.
But I guess that really isn't solving the issue of just having poor battery life
It's not an issue. The batteries are tiny. You an an extra in your pocket if it's a big day.
That is far more preferable to a larger body to house a larger battery--to me.
@doug. I could care less about the charger. There are many things I'd rather have before it. A smaller camera. A touch screen etc.
I don't care about that either. It's the sharpest FF camera ever produced, cheap, and takes any lens made since the 30s. Reasonably compact.
That is what's important, and that's why the camera is a sensation.
I predicted it would happen and be great years ago on this forum, and just about everyone laughed at me.
Sony will never do it. No one would ever buy it. It's a niche market.
It's here. I'll take it.
Of course I already have a charger and my nex batteries waiting
p.92 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
7.2V * 1080 mAh = ~ 7 watt-hours. A DSLR's battery capacity is about double, and the DSLR consumes less power during non-live view operation.
Agree with Charlie, the packs are tiny and light. I ordered four spares to go with my camera. Once you start building a camera for larger packs then why not add space for X feature and Y feature and suddenly you have this:
I still think Sony should include a cradle charger with the camera, or at the very least have the new BC-TRW charger available *before* the camera ships, not several weeks later.
p.92 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Picked my A7r up today in Montreal. Did a few quick snaps indoors with the Leica 35-70 R f/4, Olympus 21mm f/3.5, Olympus 28mm f/3.5, Zeiss 21mm ZE (could only do f/2.8 with MF lens adapter), Minolta 58mm f/1.2, Voigtlander 180mm APO Lanthar, Rokinion 14mm f/2.8 - first impression is that these lens perform without any problems. Looking forward to the weekend!
Dave
p.92 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
sflxn wrote:
What can you do other than grin and bear it?
Start your own camera company and treat customers right. Seriously, check back within me in ten years. If Jim Jannard can do it, it isn't impossible (much harder if you're not a multi-millionaire like him, but not impossible).
p.92 #20 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
zhangyue wrote:
Question for A7/R:
1. Can I charge all three Battery with two in the grip at the same time?
2. How fast to charge a batt by Camera?
answer to this will be the decision factor to buy a charger or not.
3. AF: I assume AF sensitivity will be the same anywhere in the frame than a strong center one from DSLR, is this right?
Hi Michael,
It is a pain to connect the micro USB to charge, so I have ordered two external chargers with batteries. They are not overly expensive, and it is a must!
AF sensitivity has been somewhat inaccurate for critical work, and a number of reviewers have opted for AF centre focus and recompose or MF. The MF works very well with the FE 35/2.8 lens.
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