p.83 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
philip_pj wrote:
In the interests of keeping up with what other camera users are talking about and general happenings I sometimes wander over to the C/N forums here.
Massive disappointment on the l-camera (Leica) forum re: wide-angle lenses:
p.83 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
philip_pj wrote:
In the interests of keeping up with what other camera users are talking about and general happenings I sometimes wander over to the C/N forums here.
In the Canon forum the longest thread on page one, all of 59 pages, is:
Some people there are even suggesting that Sony should make the a7r in EOS mount. Seeing them work the idea of the a7r around in their heads makes for interesting reading. They are about 2 weeks behind at present (e.g. 'nothing ground-breaking') but many are catching on fast. All many of them are going to need is a top flight affordable AF/IS adapter and do some comparisons. Then they will take a look at the FE lenses. Interesting times.
PS Nothing a7/a7r related at the Nikon forum...very loyal, those folks....Show more →
Indeed, nikon folks are more loyal. Nikon used to treat their customer more seriously than any others. The way they do business seems deserve some loyal customer support since D3, D300,D700, they almost put everything they can at the time of introduction that given customer value. A good way to do business. They are down hill though, for D800 focus problem and D600 oil problem and the DF, a case they can almost get a home run, but decide to cut corner here and there, and play canon feature/price game. Ah
You know, I ordered A7r, like it, but can only treat it as an electronics tool with no emotion attach with sony as a brand. Is it just me?
p.83 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
michael, I'd say you have it just right - they are just tools, final quality is the main thing, and being able to use your favourite lenses, all of them, is great.
The Leica M lens functionality is very sad, it looks mixed and messy with a cutoff at what, 35-50mm? We all lose potential use of these great lenses.
p.83 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
telyt wrote:
Me? I'm an R user so I'm excited about the a7 and a7r.
Speaking of R lenses, I'm looking for an 85 or 90mm lens for mixed use but with a lean towards portraiture.
Should I consider for the A7r the Leica R 90/2.8 Elmarit (later version) among other choices? Any idea what a good clean copy should run on the used market? I'd prefer a trim RF lens but can stomach carrying something a little larger if the rendering is worth the volume and weight, and this one doesn't look huge to me in photos,
p.83 #6 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Elmarit is almost 90AA performance once stop down, for EVF camera, f2.8 might be good.
90f2 will be about the same price as Elmarit. 90f2 is famous for Bokeh and portrait. stop down not as good as Elmarit. I usually pick speed, but not sure about this case. Zeiss 85mmf2.8 should be a good contender as well for smaller size.
Philip, you are right about tool. RF is different experience and topic, you are either hate it or love it, I happen to love it
p.83 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
morpheus2891 wrote:
Oh, I don't know if I'd let the 35/1.4 distagon go even if the new FE was an F2. That lens is special. The only reason I don't have it is because I have the contax 35/1.4 The rendering alone is worth keeping it for, even if the ZF is kinda huge.
Yes, I would definitely have to test carefully. I do shoot the 35/1.4 at around f/1.7-f/2.4 rather often, partly because it is so difficult to focus on the D800, partly because of the CA and slightly lower sharpness wide open, so the practical difference from the smaller aperture of an f/2 lens would be much less significant for me than the practical difference in the size and weight.
p.83 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Doesn't look like the Brits have gone as nuts for this camera as I thought they might. Every online retailer I've checked this morning has the A7R and A7+kit lens in stock for collection today or delivery tomorrow.
Looks like I'll pick up an A7R today, shame I won't be able to use it for a while. Ha ha.
p.83 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Thanks for the Elmarit M info, Michael, my Contax 100/3.5 has developed some play and will cost too much to restore, so I too am looking at a 90mm M lens despite the extra weight - not much extra though. I need something very sharp at mid apertures but also good for people work, I'll look into it further.
Soon we will see which lenses are the heroes and which are merely very good, courtesy of the 36Mp sensor. Being able to compare many DSLR and RF lenses in controlled sets will be excellent.
'Customers who want the lens brighter than of course because you come, we are actively involved in the development of the lens of large diameter than the future.'
p.83 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
michaelwatkins wrote:
Speaking of R lenses, I'm looking for an 85 or 90mm lens for mixed use but with a lean towards portraiture.
Should I consider for the A7r the Leica R 90/2.8 Elmarit (later version) among other choices?
No personal experience with the later version. A lot depends on personal taste of course but some say that it's too sharp for portraits, the older (& bigger) version may be better for this. I'd also consider the pre-APO 90mm f/2 Summicron-R.
p.83 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I believe that most of the Elmarits are optically identical, only the very large first version is different, but just as sharp. The main (only) difference is the corners, where the newer version is sharper. All according to the Leica Pocket Book.
I had the newest Elmarit and also a new 90 Cron (non-APO), and preferred the latter, but when I got my hands on the 80 Lux-R, I sold both. The Lux has much more beautiful boke and rendering, and is amazingly sharp from f/4.
p.83 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Don't you mean Elmarit R? However, this may be a Freudian slip (as they say) because I suspect the Elmarit-M 90/2.8 may actually work very well on this camera. It's a lot smaller than the Elmarit-R, has a reputation as one of the sharpest lenses Leica ever made, and is comparatively cheap still (£600-700 here in the UK) albeit still more than the R version.
philip_pj wrote:
Thanks for the Elmarit M info, Michael, my Contax 100/3.5 has developed some play and will cost too much to restore, so I too am looking at a 90mm M lens despite the extra weight - not much extra though. I need something very sharp at mid apertures but also good for people work, I'll look into it further.
Soon we will see which lenses are the heroes and which are merely very good, courtesy of the 36Mp sensor. Being able to compare many DSLR and RF lenses in controlled sets will be excellent.
p.83 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
waterden wrote:
On another matter dpreview has just done a fascinating studio comparison between the a7, a7r, d800 and d7100 in jpeg and raw. There is a large number of iterations both for ISO and for cameras and the widget allows you to focus on different areas of the very comprehensive studio scene for comparisons of absolute behaviour. Unfortunately there is no option to include the NEX-7 but the NEX-6 can be included and has significantly weaker behaviour than the a7(R).. However, I expect that from a resolution perspective the NEX-7, with its higher pixel density than even the a7R, would compare very favourably with both new cameras, albeit with a cropped perspective. The jpgs are good but clearly there is a lot of noise reduction going on. The raw files give a much better indication of comparative strengths. Interestingly, in many ways I think this demonstration, admittedly studio testing rather than real life, tends to favour the a7 rather than the a7r. The Canon 5D3 comes out very well, rather better than the D800 in my view. I was also fascinated by the poor comparative performance (in my opinion) of the RX1R across the ISO range to the extent that I wonder whether it has been mis-focused. http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-7-7r/6
waterden, I hope you don't mind that I reply here to your post in the "Image" thread.
I checked the new DPR comparison scene, and my observations differ a bit from yours. My focus is on the face detail in the portraits.
Between the A7 and the A7r I don't see much difference, and definitely not any advantage to the A7 when the image sizes are normalized.
What I found alarming, is the blotching and smoothing going on in the Sony A7(r) RAW files at high ISO (like 12800). I very very much prefer the tight grain from the D800. Hope this is an error in the processing. If the Sony RAW files really are that cooked, it annoys me.
p.83 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
waterden wrote:
Don't you mean Elmarit R? However, this may be a Freudian slip (as they say) because I suspect the Elmarit-M 90/2.8 may actually work very well on this camera. It's a lot smaller than the Elmarit-R, has a reputation as one of the sharpest lenses Leica ever made, and is comparatively cheap still (£600-700 here in the UK) albeit still more than the R version.
The latest versions of the Elmarit 90 for R and M mounts are exactly the same optical design. Of course, being the mount different, the R version is wider in girth but 19mm. shorter than the M, to make up for the different registry distance of the R and M systems. Fitted with an adapter for Sony-E both will have the same length, although the R has a wider diameter and will be also a bit heavier. Also the R, apart from being cheaper, focuses down to 0.70mtr. and the M only to 1.0 mtr.
My guess is that some of this may be based upon technique, the lens in question (specimen variability), is the lens centered and/or aligned and calibrated, and is there an issue with the adapter.
p.83 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
My guess is that some of this may be based upon technique, the lens in question (specimen variability), is the lens centered and/or aligned and calibrated, and is there an issue with the adapter.
Rich
Thanks -- my specific interest is a new A7r and new Lux 50, without having previously owned M lenses or bodies.
How can I determine that the lens itself (factoring out adapter and Sony body) is performing as it should be?
The rendering alone is worth keeping it for, even if the ZF is kinda huge.