p.61 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Like I said though, I suspect this is a worst case scenario. It's going to look different at various subject distances and might actually look better in this case with the lens stopped down some (the bokeh may improve upon stopping down a little).
Are you kidding? That bokeh looks fantastic in my opinion. But I know from my own testing that it's much worse at a couple of meters, which is not the case with the RX1 lens.
p.61 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Everything I have heard or read (not from forums) indicates the kit lens isn't very impressive, which would line up with Sony's other kit performances. I wouldn't expect Fuji performance.
Hope it is good, but I went with body only to save $300.
p.61 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
Are you kidding? That bokeh looks fantastic in my opinion. But I know from my own testing that it's much worse at a couple of meters, which is not the case with the RX1 lens.
+1 for the hot pepper shot. They looks better than most 35mm lens out there. I can visualize the contrast in Bokeh can be improved by simple reduction of contrast.
He thinks it is better then other Sony kit lenses...
cputeq wrote:
Everything I have heard or read (not from forums) indicates the kit lens isn't very impressive, which would line up with Sony's other kit performances. I wouldn't expect Fuji performance.
Hope it is good, but I went with body only to save $300.
p.61 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
Are you kidding? That bokeh looks fantastic in my opinion. But I know from my own testing that it's much worse at a couple of meters, which is not the case with the RX1 lens.
Yeah, I guess there really is no accounting for taste....er, I mean bokeh is subjective. ha ha.
p.61 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Just an FYI - When the cameras were first announced, they were ineligible for any sort of employee purchase program. I checked again, and they're now eligible, and show an estimate of "delivery on or before 12/01/2013".
p.61 #9 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Yeah, I guess there really is no accounting for taste....er, I mean bokeh is subjective. ha ha.
Of course, but what did you expect? The blur discs are very evenly illuminated with only a tiny bit of "outlining", that can be much, much worse with many well regarded 35 mm lenses wide open.
So, it get's worse. hmm.
Yes, like sort of all lenses. Except for a few, like the Zeiss Planars.
p.61 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
DamonJoyce wrote:
Just an FYI - When the cameras were first announced, they were ineligible for any sort of employee purchase program. I checked again, and they're now eligible, and show an estimate of "delivery on or before 12/01/2013".
Just cancelled my Amazon order.
I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make. Did you cancel your Amazon order because you can get an employee discount somewhere else or you don't want the camera?
p.61 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Makten wrote:
Of course, but what did you expect? The blur discs are very evenly illuminated with only a tiny bit of "outlining", that can be much, much worse with many well regarded 35 mm lenses wide open.
I expected it to render like a slower RX1 Sonnar. That's obviously not the case.
p.61 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I cancelled my Amazon order now that I can get it at a discounted price direct through Sony.
Jeff Kott wrote:
I'm not clear on what point you're trying to make. Did you cancel your Amazon order because you can get an employee discount somewhere else or you don't want the camera?
p.61 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
DamonJoyce wrote:
Just an FYI - When the cameras were first announced, they were ineligible for any sort of employee purchase program. I checked again, and they're now eligible, and show an estimate of "delivery on or before 12/01/2013".
Just cancelled my Amazon order.
Well, I don't work for Sony, but the FF's have already been released in Korea from what I gather in this video:
p.61 #15 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
I expected it to render like a slower RX1 Sonnar. That's obviously not the case.
Good point. That's one of the few lenses I can come to think of that is smoother. To me, it felt a bit "sterile" because of that.
Edit: Perhaps they wanted the lens to be as sharp as possible, which with the minimal size and weight didn't allow a "better" bokeh. The RX1 lens is probably much heavier if you unscrew it from the camera (yes, f/2 makes a difference, but anyway).
p.61 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
The problem though with the below kind of bokeh (beyond the odd shapes) is that there are super bright oof areas and more subdued areas as well. The bokeh areas that are super hot are dramatically brighter than the other oof areas (more-so than would look natural from just the various distances of light sources). That dramatic difference in oof areas is a lens rendering quality, not one caused by processing.
The fact that some blur disks are much brighter than other ones, is simply due to the fact that some highlights are much brighter than other ones. The lens has nothing to do with it.
Or any sharp edges/colors. 
...er, I mean bokeh is subjective. ha ha.