p.14 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Pixel Perfect wrote:
1.22Md, just means a regular 921kd LCD with the addition of white dots to improve brightness. So it's 4 dots rather than three dots and res has not improved.
Is this the same LCD as the "white magic" ones on the RX-1 and RX-100 M1/M2?
p.14 #3 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
kesava wrote:
How much would you pay to have all of the shots back the it missed focus on?
What about A7 shots where he wasn't able to manually focus in time?
There are definitely a lot of positive things to say about the A7, but if you like native lenses then it doesn't really have much on its competition for the time being.
p.14 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
itai195 wrote:
There are definitely a lot of positive things to say about the A7, but if you like native lenses then it doesn't really have much on its competition for the time being.
how's this: i bet the 35mm and 50mm will easily outperform anything from any other mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with AF. those are two most used focal lengths in photography too. judging by the images from the zeiss 24-70/4 i bet it will easily outperform any other normal zoom for mirrorless as well as providing narrower dof if you want (i'm not fully willing to commit to this since i haven't seen many wide open shots with it yet).
that seems like having something, especially for line of lenses that didn't exist yesterday.
it's not much of a system yet, so if you need a system you definitely shouldn't go all in on it cause it doesn't exist.
p.14 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Add to that - very acceptable AF. Also, it has NO competition at all, it's a new niche.
BA, you are looking at the reason most enthusiasts should go with the a7r, Sony learnt a lot with the RX1 about tolerances and alignment. There is a reason for the nuggety weight, all that buttressing.
I also feel the CZ mid zoom will be a real surprise, it's so well specified. A lot of users will need nothing more...it has to be good to attract the other main users of such lenses - DSLR people.
more:
On the shutter - deemed 'loud' by the vid dude at SAR, here is David Kipatrick:
'Shutter sound is very solid, mechanical. A really nice sound. There is not a fully electronic shutter mode available, so no silent shooting, but it’s discrete enough.' good, the people who think it's loud have been using an RX1 and expected the same Db.
and
'The OLED screen itself has also been enhanced a good bit, with three times the contrast of the one used in the A99. it has arguably the best EVF we've ever seen on a camera.'
They also did some work on the Alpha menus, which are already very good IMO.
Sony cameras are evolving very fast these days.
p.14 #7 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
I am curious how the Samyang 14mm f/2.8 ED AS IF UMC, relaese for the ZA mount in 2 month's, will perform. I heard good things about this lens on the D800. Some distortion, but easy to correct, and quiet sharp. And it is soooo cheap!
Can't wait to get my hands on the 7r, it's what i have been waiting for. Gonne buy myself those Zeiss lenses as well. Especially that 35.
Nice kit to start with and so much to find out with other Alt lenses.
Will be fun to try the Leica APO Telyt 180/3.4 on it.
Still thinking about the grip, design wise it really shapes up well all together. Best looking grip ever.
p.14 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Ran across Brian Smith's comments, compared with previous SLT Sonys (prob a99):
'Better. Better dynamic range. Better color.
The BIONZ X image processor is brand new and I'm told it's the key.
Simply unbelievable sharpness on the A7R thanks to great glass and no AA filter.'
and
'24 Leica is barely noticeable shift.'
and
'The RX1 is quieter, has a faster flash sync and is one stop faster
The A7R has a better EVF, is sharper and more versatile.
Choosing between RX1r and A7R would really be tough...'
p.14 #10 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
This is extremely tempting proposition. I have a lot of Canon glass so if this works well it might be the way to go for landscapes and general shooting. On the other hand maybe I should hang on a little longer and Canon may decide they need to compete and bring out an EF mount mirrorless then I would in like Flynn....
p.14 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Given Roger's recent blog post on adaptors I'd worry that buying the A7r just to use alt lenses could well be rather a waste of that level of resolution. You will end up paying hundreds more for a decent adaptor just to make sure you aren't seeing all sorts of problems at the 36 megapixel resolution level. If there is one thing the D800 taught us is that you need top notch glass and that's with native mounts.
p.14 #12 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
sebboh wrote:
how's this: i bet the 35mm and 50mm will easily outperform anything from any other mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with AF.
What about the touit lenses? Or the Zeiss 24mm ZA and/or Fuji 23mm? Those are all pretty nice lenses.
Anyway, I don't think it's a stretch to say that many posters in this thread are excited about these cameras primarily for the purpose of using alt lenses. That's why I found a comment about AF kind of odd.
p.14 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
David Baldwin wrote:
"Sony's biggest challenge is going to be the lack of lens options"
No challenge at all in my book. With appropriate adaptors my fast Canon 24 will do well for low light and night landscapes, for architecture my Nikkor 28mm PC will be great for example. The whole world of Canon and Nikon lenses will be available for the Sony, with CZ native designs just being the icing on the cake.
Its liberating being able to think of other FF body brands without having to sell existing lenses. Fabulous! I've personally not been delighted with the direction Canon have been going in the last few years, its nice to be able to change brands potentially without losing money on replacing lenses....Show more →
No AF with adapted lenses right? That's going to be a deal breaker for a lot of people if that's true.
p.14 #14 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
sebboh wrote:
how's this: i bet the 35mm and 50mm will easily outperform anything from any other mirrorless interchangeable lens camera with AF.
At $800 for a downright pokey 35/2.8 (which is more plastic/metal than glass and was clearly to protect the RX1) and $1000 for a relatively slow f/1.8 55mm, they damn well better outperform lenses costing 1/3 to 1/2 as much, all with faster apertures.
p.14 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
Beni wrote:
Given Roger's recent blog post on adaptors I'd worry that buying the A7r just to use alt lenses could well be rather a waste of that level of resolution. You will end up paying hundreds more for a decent adaptor just to make sure you aren't seeing all sorts of problems at the 36 megapixel resolution level. If there is one thing the D800 taught us is that you need top notch glass and that's with native mounts.
I guess, but its really to me more of an issue as horses for courses. When I want a small camera like this it is more for center frame people shots where I pretty much believe all of the old lenses excel. The LensRentals report on adapters made it clear to me that adapter variation comes into play at a corner of the lens. Then again I find 28mm to be pretty wide so I think it is good to mention to people who really love wide angles.
p.14 #18 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
SoulNibbler wrote:
I guess, but its really to me more of an issue as horses for courses. When I want a small camera like this it is more for center frame people shots where I pretty much believe all of the old lenses excel. The LensRentals report on adapters made it clear to me that adapter variation comes into play at a corner of the lens. Then again I find 28mm to be pretty wide so I think it is good to mention to people who really love wide angles.
True but then why not just stay with the A7? the A7r is going to be difficult to realise as an advantage with adaptors is it not and I wonder how much advantage the old lenses will have on the A7r chip compared to the A7?
p.14 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless
cputeq wrote:
At $800 for a downright pokey 35/2.8 (which is more plastic/metal than glass and was clearly to protect the RX1) and $1000 for a relatively slow f/1.8 55mm, they damn well better outperform lenses costing 1/3 to 1/2 as much, all with faster apertures.
What are these lenses that cost 1/3 as much? The Fuji 23mm and 35mm are $900 & $600. The NEX 24mm and $35mm are $1100 and $450 (and do not have faster apertures). The Zuiko 17 and Pana 25 are $500 and $600.
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