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p.112 #1 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


For those who have been fortunate to be testing the A7/A7r, has anyone experienced issues with the brightness of the EVF. My experience so far, is frustrating with outdoor shots, beach scenes, where I have exposed for the sky maintaining cloud details, so as to not burn the highlights. The images in the EVF are very dark, and virtually impossible to see the images correctly to either compose or focus on, as they are exposed to the left.
I have manually adjusted the brightness, to maximum which is +2, but still lacking somewhat. My understanding with other Sony's cameras it is possible to bypass the real time view function, to maximize the viewing capabilities for composing and focusing, while the exposures are slightly to the left in bright ambient lighting.

For outdoors, unless I am missing something in the menus, the EVF there is no function to adjust other than just the brightness.

I am finding the LCD and the Oly VF-2 on the M240 to be much better in the brighter ambient lighting. I do hope there is not an issue with my A7r, in adjusting to the brighter ambient lighting.

In all other lighting the EVF with the A7r is brilliant!

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Dec 01, 2013 at 07:21 PM
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p.112 #2 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I'm betting a nickle that Olympus and Sony haven't done any sharing on that level.


Dec 01, 2013 at 07:22 PM
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charles.K wrote:
For those who have been fortunate to be testing the A7/A7r, has anyone experienced issues with the brightness of the EVF. My experience so far, is frustrating with outdoor shots, beach scenes, where I have exposed for the sky maintaining cloud details, so as to not burn the highlights. The images in the EVF are very dark, and virtually impossible to see the images correctly to either compose or focus on, as they are exposed to the left.
I have manually adjusted the brightness, to maximum which is +2, but still lacking somewhat. My understanding with other Sony's cameras it
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With Sony EVF's, there is an option in the custom settings for "Live View Display" to have the Live View reflect the actual exposure chosen- which would be "Setting Effect ON" or to have it not reflect actual exposure settings "Setting Effect Off" and automatically adjust to the light regardless of exposure chosen. That will likely solve the problem because it sounds like your EVF is simply showing the negative exposure compensation you have chosen.



Dec 01, 2013 at 07:49 PM
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p.112 #4 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


charles.K wrote:
For those who have been fortunate to be testing the A7/A7r, has anyone experienced issues with the brightness of the EVF. My experience so far, is frustrating with outdoor shots, beach scenes, where I have exposed for the sky maintaining cloud details, so as to not burn the highlights. The images in the EVF are very dark, and virtually impossible to see the images correctly to either compose or focus on, as they are exposed to the left.
I have manually adjusted the brightness, to maximum which is +2, but still lacking somewhat. My understanding with other Sony's cameras it
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Play with your jpeg Creative style settings. Try something like Neutral with -3 contrast.

Also, what Tariq said.



Dec 01, 2013 at 07:50 PM
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p.112 #5 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Tariq Gibran wrote:
With Sony EVF's, there is an option in the custom settings for "Live View Display" to have the Live View reflect the actual exposure chosen- which would be "Setting Effect ON" or to have it not reflect actual exposure settings "Setting Effect Off" and automatically adjust to the light regardless of exposure chosen. That will likely solve the problem because it sounds like your EVF is simply showing the negative exposure compensation you have chosen.


Thank you Tariq and Douglas! Finally found the setting in the menu I will also try the creative settings too.



Dec 01, 2013 at 08:00 PM
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charles.K wrote:
Thank you Tariq and Douglas! Finally found the setting in the menu I will also try the creative settings too.


You're welcome Charles. The suggestion by Douglas will also improve dynamic range and color with the Live View image. I'm not sure though if you will see that change once you turn "Setting Effect's" to off. Very bright daylight + EVF = disappointment for me in general.



Dec 01, 2013 at 08:09 PM
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By clanky I mean it felt like a toy. The shutter was the obvious bottleneck for the camera by being noisy and slow. Also the sync speed seems to be pretty low (for the A7r). I am sure sensor is top notch and image quality superb. Maybe in the future there will be some hybrid OVF/EVF implementations.

carstenw wrote:
What does clanky mean?

About the EVF, I have not seen a better one. I didn't like the NEX-7 EVF at all, too laggy and choppy. The Olympus VF-2 is brilliant in that respect, and that was my measuring stock until now. I presume the Sony-Olympus partnership has combined high-resolution Sony OLED viewfinders with Olympus framerate and polish know-how, for the best of both worlds. If you don't like the A7 EVF, you won't like any other on the market.

I love OVFs, I really do, but my D800 has shown me that their days are strictly numbered (for future products), unless
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Dec 01, 2013 at 08:24 PM
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p.112 #8 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


As one of the leading evangelists for EVF technology (not to mention a seller of the parts to others) Sony won't do a hybrid OVF/EVF.

One day Fujifilm will probably dispense with them too.



Dec 01, 2013 at 08:29 PM
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michaelwatkins wrote:
As one of the leading evangelists for EVF technology (not to mention a seller of the parts to others) Sony won't do a hybrid OVF/EVF.

One day Fujifilm will probably dispense with them too.



Just stick an OVF with your choice of focal length frame lines into the hot shoe and you get an instant "hybrid" EVF/OVF A7(r)



Dec 01, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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millsart wrote:
Just stick an OVF with your choice of focal length frame lines into the hot shoe and you get an instant "hybrid" EVF/OVF A7(r)


That should work great...as long as you don't use that OVF for framing purposes Given the additional height of the EVF hump, I wold think the parallax error might be fairly severe.



Dec 01, 2013 at 08:45 PM
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p.112 #11 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


I've tucked this into the resource thread, cross posting here since this one gets all the action:

A7/r cameras compared to classic SLRs of the past, scaled to size on a best-efforts basis, images shared with permission:

http://m7.i.pbase.com/g9/94/892094/2/153584417.sdMZVlGu.jpg

http://m8.i.pbase.com/g9/94/892094/2/153584418.svIghMI1.jpg

http://m9.i.pbase.com/g9/94/892094/2/153584419.IlIxwIfI.jpg

That last pairing sure looks like a case of "separated at birth"!



Dec 01, 2013 at 10:31 PM
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dimitris77 wrote:
By clanky I mean it felt like a toy. The shutter was the obvious bottleneck for the camera by being noisy and slow. Also the sync speed seems to be pretty low (for the A7r). I am sure sensor is top notch and image quality superb. Maybe in the future there will be some hybrid OVF/EVF implementations.


I agree,I have exact same feeling. My priority is different, so I bought it and will keep it as M back and travel body. No much regret! But build and manual leave a lot to be desired.



Dec 01, 2013 at 11:44 PM
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p.112 #13 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Handled the A7 today for the first time at the Sony store.

First time using an EVF and I was impressed. It felt pretty natural. The camera itself is unbelievably light. I really like the swivel screen. Although non traditional it is a fun way to shoot.

One thing is that I felt like I was handling a toy. There is no heft and didn't feel particularly rigid. This could simply be due to the cameras small size. I was in a pretty big rush but will definitely go back and check it out again.

One thing for sure I don't think large lenses would balance well on this. This is an amazing small lens setup.

Not sure why people are saying that it's slower than the rx1. It felt pretty snappy in store.



Dec 01, 2013 at 11:56 PM
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Steve Huff made an interesting point (in between all his I love blah blah blah hoopla). He said he equally "loved" both the A7 and A7R but also said that his keeper rate seemed higher with the A7.

Given the small size there could be some inherent vibration in the camera that would be detrimental to image quality. Given that the A7R has no electronic first curtain perhaps its clunk clunk sound was a factor to Steve's keeper rate.

All speculation so please take what I say as a grain of salt. I expect Lloyd Chambers to do is due diligence in figuring this one out.



Dec 02, 2013 at 12:33 AM
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carstenw wrote:
What does clanky mean?

About the EVF, I have not seen a better one. I didn't like the NEX-7 EVF at all, too laggy and choppy. The Olympus VF-2 is brilliant in that respect, and that was my measuring stock until now. I presume the Sony-Olympus partnership has combined high-resolution Sony OLED viewfinders with Olympus framerate and polish know-how, for the best of both worlds. If you don't like the A7 EVF, you won't like any other on the market.

I love OVFs, I really do, but my D800 has shown me that their days are strictly numbered (for future products), unless
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The a99 has the same implementation of the EVF, and that was released pre-partnership, so I'm pretty sure it's all Sony.



Dec 02, 2013 at 12:57 AM
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carstenw wrote:
I couldn't find the mirror lockup on the A7, but I did a preliminary test to take a quick, early look if there is something which needs to be looked at closer here.

Setup:

Leica 180/2 at f/4 on Gitzo GT3541XLS tripod, only the thickest leg out, Burzynski Ball Head II (very, very strong, can carry 65kg, or more), RRS lens plate and clamp. Wooden floor (sorry, too cold on the concrete balcony for tests right now), so some vibration is possible (it is late, unlikely anyone is moving, and I was standing still, no cars driving by, no obvious earthquakes, but
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Carsten, thanks for the test. If it can be systematically repeated on your extra stable environment, it means that it's real issue in the field conditions in practice, not just in theory. So definitely A7 with electronic 1st curtain for me. Thanks for solving my camera selection issue!

This forum is really great; we have been able to find and solve most of the real issue. This is not the first time and hopefully not the last time. Most reviews in web are useless because done either by fanboys or "I'm camera reviewer but I don't want to say anything negative to get ads to my site and get stuff for free for 'review' purposes"-guys. Only few review sites (e.g. Lloyd) are actually discussing product flaws and making it clear for potential buyers.

I clearly remember when we found out the 5DmkII live view high shutter speed darkening and figured out the wayaround for it (which I don't anymore remember ) even this forum is supposed to be about alt lenses, not about mainstream cameras. At same time on other places fanboys were claiming it's vignetting etc. obvious BS and killing the discussion.

Samuli



Dec 02, 2013 at 01:06 AM
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p.112 #17 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Lee Saxon wrote:
I pre-ordered both A7 and A7r the morning after the announcement. I was only in the first batch of shipments for the former. Guess those rumors of Sony underestimating demand for the A7r were not kidding.


And the entire product and marketing department at Sony collectively kicks themselves for setting the retail price too low.



Dec 02, 2013 at 01:20 AM
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freaklikeme wrote:
And the entire product and marketing department at Sony collectively kicks themselves for setting the retail price too low.


Amazon actually had a few extra A7r's yesterday. Had I wanted one without even pre-ordering, I could have snagged it. Of course, I just happened to be looking at the right time. So, at least we know pre-orders did not exactly exceed supply with Amazon.



Dec 02, 2013 at 07:11 AM
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p.112 #19 · Official: Sony A7 and A7R Fullframe Mirrorless


Tariq Gibran wrote:
Amazon actually had a few extra A7r's yesterday. Had I wanted one without even pre-ordering, I could have snagged it. Of course, I just happened to be looking at the right time. So, at least we know pre-orders did not exactly exceed supply with Amazon.

It wasn't Amazon who had the bodies. It was a third-party seller who nobody probably preordered from.



Dec 02, 2013 at 07:38 AM
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The 3rd party seller was Focus Camera. After reading their resellerratings.com reviews, I wouldn't use them (although using Amazon as a middle man probably makes the transaction safe).

I placed my a7R pre-order with Amazon about 4 AM (EST) Oct. 16th. I emailed yesterday (1 Dec.) and was told I wouldn't be included in the initial allotment. Amazon emailed this morning I would receive my camera 6 Dec.

I suspect many who pre-ordered were forced to cancel when it came time to pay for their orders.

I checked every reputable vendor I could think of yesterday, NewEgg, CDW, Crutchfield, One Call, Sammy's, etc., and couldn't find anyone with a7r stock.

Graham



Dec 02, 2013 at 08:04 AM
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