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p.2 #1SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Is Sony attempting to play on perception—make it look more DSLR-like?
I like the idea of lens and EVF alignment—as I get on my NEX-5R & EVF.
I don't see this design as a deal-stopper though.
I like the idea of lens and EVF alignment—as I get on my NEX-5R & EVF.
I don't see this design as a deal-stopper though.
Oct 03, 2013 at 07:49 AM
p.2 #2SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
This Sony product is a niche item. What matters is not who won't buy it, whatever the reason, because they will be the vast majority. What matters is who will buy it. As for me, VF placement is definitely not a deal-breaker, so count me as a "likely"
Oct 03, 2013 at 08:06 AM
p.2 #3SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
I have used the OMD and I LOVED that camera. I only sold it to get an RX-1. If the new FF NEX from Sony are like the OMD, I'm definitely in. And if others find that disappointing, well, it just means it will be easier for me to get one! 
Oct 03, 2013 at 10:32 AM
p.2 #4SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Spyro P. wrote:
I dont see many OMD users complaining about the VF placement
(for the record, I was complaining when the OMD was announced. Photographers do have noses after all, and unless there is a very good reason, ie a mirror, the VF should be on the side to accommodate noses. But ppl didnt seem to care)
But what about the photographers who use their left eye to look through a viewfinder instead of their right eye
I dunno, I guess I'm a little suprised at the design choice given that adding a viewfinder hump to the top makes the camera a little bulkier. But certainly not a deal-breaker for me. I mean, it's not like I haven't been used to using a centered viewfinder for all of these years anyways...
I dont see many OMD users complaining about the VF placement
(for the record, I was complaining when the OMD was announced. Photographers do have noses after all, and unless there is a very good reason, ie a mirror, the VF should be on the side to accommodate noses. But ppl didnt seem to care)
But what about the photographers who use their left eye to look through a viewfinder instead of their right eye
I dunno, I guess I'm a little suprised at the design choice given that adding a viewfinder hump to the top makes the camera a little bulkier. But certainly not a deal-breaker for me. I mean, it's not like I haven't been used to using a centered viewfinder for all of these years anyways...
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:02 AM
p.2 #5SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
artd wrote:
(for the record, I was complaining when the OMD was announced. Photographers do have noses after all, and unless there is a very good reason, ie a mirror, the VF should be on the side to accommodate noses. But ppl didnt seem to care)But what about the photographers who use their left eye to look through a viewfinder instead of their right eye
I dunno, I guess I'm a little suprised at the design choice given that adding a viewfinder hump to the top makes the camera a little bulkier. But certainly not a deal-breaker for me. I mean, it's not like I haven't been used to using a centered viewfinder for all of these years anyways...
I personally would like a top left corner EVF, but I shoot exclusively with my right eye. If I shot with my left eye exclusively then this viewfinder placement would absolutely suck. There have been several surveys on FM about what eye people use and although more people shoot with their right eye there is a healthy minority (above 30 percent if I recall correctly) that shoot with their left eye. I can see why Sony went with the middle placement. Making a camera that is ergonomically problematic for the left eye shooters, may well leave too many people out, more people than right eye shooters who won't accept a centre placement.
Spyro P. wrote
I dont see many OMD users complaining about the VF placement (for the record, I was complaining when the OMD was announced. Photographers do have noses after all, and unless there is a very good reason, ie a mirror, the VF should be on the side to accommodate noses. But ppl didnt seem to care)
I dunno, I guess I'm a little suprised at the design choice given that adding a viewfinder hump to the top makes the camera a little bulkier. But certainly not a deal-breaker for me. I mean, it's not like I haven't been used to using a centered viewfinder for all of these years anyways...
I personally would like a top left corner EVF, but I shoot exclusively with my right eye. If I shot with my left eye exclusively then this viewfinder placement would absolutely suck. There have been several surveys on FM about what eye people use and although more people shoot with their right eye there is a healthy minority (above 30 percent if I recall correctly) that shoot with their left eye. I can see why Sony went with the middle placement. Making a camera that is ergonomically problematic for the left eye shooters, may well leave too many people out, more people than right eye shooters who won't accept a centre placement.
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:09 AM
p.2 #6SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
I never considered this aspect of viewfinder placement - being a SLR/DSLR shooter up until now. Having said that, I exclusively focus with my left eye and I just tried focusing with my right eye after reading this read - can't do it, it just feels wrong. So I would probably prefer a viewfinder in the centre position. A viewfinder on the right (for focusing with the left eye) probably wouldn't help either as I'm right-handed and would have to have my right hand in front of my right eye anyway.
Having said that, I only just bought a Leica M3 a couple of weeks ago (off for a CLA at the moment). When I played with it, I used my left eye. Will have to try with my right when I get it back.
Viewfinder placement would probably the least important criterium to me for choosing a camera.
Having said that, I only just bought a Leica M3 a couple of weeks ago (off for a CLA at the moment). When I played with it, I used my left eye. Will have to try with my right when I get it back.
Viewfinder placement would probably the least important criterium to me for choosing a camera.
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:29 AM
p.2 #7SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
OpticalFlow wrote:
Viewfinder placement would probably the least important criterium to me for choosing a camera.
+1
I prefer the Nex 7 viewfinder placement, but I think we're missing the forest for the trees. If the new cameras work well in the corners with M mount lenses I'm not going to worry much about VF placement.
Viewfinder placement would probably the least important criterium to me for choosing a camera.
+1
I prefer the Nex 7 viewfinder placement, but I think we're missing the forest for the trees. If the new cameras work well in the corners with M mount lenses I'm not going to worry much about VF placement.
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:48 AM
p.2 #8SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
sflxn wrote:
If they want to introduce a pseduo-dslr that's not proven, why not keep a real, state of the art DSLR that is proven beyond doubt? My D800E has a GPS, weatherproofing, can survive falls and fire, long lasting battery, huge selection of lenses. A big part of why people buy these mirrorless is the styling and form factor. Why buy a DSLR wannabe when you can own a real DSLR.
I want a mirrorless camera because...
#1: They are small and light.
#2: The lesser register distance allows much smaller lenses at the same aperture (below ~50 mm focal length).
#3: EVF with live view so that I can use MF lenses with good focus accuracy.
I'd prefer the NEX-7 viewfinder location, but it doesn't matter very much. Making it a dealbreaker and fall back on a ~1 kilo camera that is huge in comparison AND has the same "bad" viewfinder location seems very, very strange to me.
If they want to introduce a pseduo-dslr that's not proven, why not keep a real, state of the art DSLR that is proven beyond doubt? My D800E has a GPS, weatherproofing, can survive falls and fire, long lasting battery, huge selection of lenses. A big part of why people buy these mirrorless is the styling and form factor. Why buy a DSLR wannabe when you can own a real DSLR.
I want a mirrorless camera because...
#1: They are small and light.
#2: The lesser register distance allows much smaller lenses at the same aperture (below ~50 mm focal length).
#3: EVF with live view so that I can use MF lenses with good focus accuracy.
I'd prefer the NEX-7 viewfinder location, but it doesn't matter very much. Making it a dealbreaker and fall back on a ~1 kilo camera that is huge in comparison AND has the same "bad" viewfinder location seems very, very strange to me.
Oct 03, 2013 at 01:48 PM
p.2 #9SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Beni wrote:
...If the lenses won't be smaller and the body will not be significantly smaller or at least not Nex 7 stick in a pocket without lens small, why bother?
Just one word, REGISTER!
...If the lenses won't be smaller and the body will not be significantly smaller or at least not Nex 7 stick in a pocket without lens small, why bother?
Just one word, REGISTER!
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:06 PM
p.2 #10SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Krosavcheg wrote:
It's because we are cynical, bitter and people don't invite us home for tea and biscuits...
Especially biscuits! Mmmm, biscuits. Or even better: shortbread!
It's because we are cynical, bitter and people don't invite us home for tea and biscuits...
Especially biscuits! Mmmm, biscuits. Or even better: shortbread!
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:19 PM
p.2 #11SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Which OM-D? E-M5 or E-M1?
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:20 PM
p.2 #12SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Of all the choices sony is making, EVF Placement is not high one my priority. I want it small, light, and good with the best small WA lenses.
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:32 PM
p.2 #13SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
carstenw wrote:
Which OM-D? E-M5 or E-M1?
SAR is talking about an OM-D. The picture looks like an OM-D E-M1
Which OM-D? E-M5 or E-M1?
SAR is talking about an OM-D. The picture looks like an OM-D E-M1
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:41 PM
p.2 #14SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
sculptormic wrote:
SAR is talking about an OM-D. The picture looks like an OM-D E-M1
That is a reader mock up. It isn't real.
Rich
carstenw wrote
Which OM-D? E-M5 or E-M1?That is a reader mock up. It isn't real.
Rich
Oct 03, 2013 at 02:43 PM
p.2 #15SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
'I personally would like a top left corner EVF, but I shoot exclusively with my right eye.' and 'Making a camera that is ergonomically problematic for the left eye shooters'
I would most of all prefer the central RX1 placement as it is ergonomically superior (you can tilt the VF to lower the body below the nose, and get the camera body very close to the centreline of your body for 'tucked-in elbow' bracing)...but a close second is the very common left side placement for non-DLRs, for *left eye shooters* like me.
The people who have the greater adjustment to left corner VFs are right eye photographers, due to much lower mass centrality in the natural shooting position - the camera hangs out in the air to the right of their heads, and their right arm gets a disproportionate loading, then there is the distraction of the left eye open to the world - VF photography is a one-eyed pursuit.
You can test all this easily by picking up a house brick and simulating each VF position - top left, top centre and top right, for each eye. Won't matter much for these light and narrow bodies but when you get to hand holding wide and heavy medium format cameras such as Fuji's 690 rangefinders it is a serious issue. And the principle remains, of course.
I would most of all prefer the central RX1 placement as it is ergonomically superior (you can tilt the VF to lower the body below the nose, and get the camera body very close to the centreline of your body for 'tucked-in elbow' bracing)...but a close second is the very common left side placement for non-DLRs, for *left eye shooters* like me.
The people who have the greater adjustment to left corner VFs are right eye photographers, due to much lower mass centrality in the natural shooting position - the camera hangs out in the air to the right of their heads, and their right arm gets a disproportionate loading, then there is the distraction of the left eye open to the world - VF photography is a one-eyed pursuit.
You can test all this easily by picking up a house brick and simulating each VF position - top left, top centre and top right, for each eye. Won't matter much for these light and narrow bodies but when you get to hand holding wide and heavy medium format cameras such as Fuji's 690 rangefinders it is a serious issue. And the principle remains, of course.
Oct 03, 2013 at 05:37 PM
p.2 #16SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
Basically the camera will look like the RX1 with a hump and a lump - for the hand grip.
sculptormic wrote:
SAR is talking about an OM-D. The picture looks like an OM-D E-M1
sculptormic wrote:
carstenw wrote
Which OM-D? E-M5 or E-M1?Oct 03, 2013 at 06:17 PM
p.2 #17SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
carstenw wrote:
Especially biscuits! Mmmm, biscuits. Or even better: shortbread!
I thought you were an apfelschtrudel person.. sorry, stereotypes.
And I do drink vodka almost exclusively..
Krosavcheg wrote
It's because we are cynical, bitter and people don't invite us home for tea and biscuits...I thought you were an apfelschtrudel person..
sorry, stereotypes.And I do drink vodka almost exclusively..
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:08 PM
p.2 #18SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-the-a7-and-a7r-no-features-list/
1) Both cameras will not have on sensor stabilization
2) Both cameras are weather-sealed!!
1) Both cameras will not have on sensor stabilization
2) Both cameras are weather-sealed!!
Oct 03, 2013 at 11:55 PM
p.2 #19SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
No speculation about pricing yet ? none ? What do you reckon ? Crazy RX1 price? Or down to earth Canon 6D like price ?
Oct 04, 2013 at 02:18 AM
p.2 #20SAR SR5 both NEX FF to have OMD styling & weather-sealed!!
JohnJ wrote:
Just one word, REGISTER!
Like I can afford the decent rangefinder lenses...
Beni wrote
...If the lenses won't be smaller and the body will not be significantly smaller or at least not Nex 7 stick in a pocket without lens small, why bother?Like I can afford the decent rangefinder lenses...
Oct 04, 2013 at 02:41 AM