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p.4 #1 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Gorgeous Country Girl, you are right.
Excellence captures.



Sep 11, 2013 at 08:58 PM
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p.4 #2 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Jonathan Huynh wrote:
Gorgeous Country Girl, you are right.
Excellence captures.


Thank you Jonathan.



Sep 11, 2013 at 09:52 PM
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p.4 #3 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Sigh.

I thought other people were being unfair when they mocked you for not being able to take any constructive criticism, but it's quite obvious you truly can't take any negative comments about your work.

Sorry I even bothered commenting as any criticism of your work is a complete waste of time.



Sep 11, 2013 at 10:02 PM
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p.4 #4 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Lisa_Holloway wrote:
Nope, didn't blur anything. I never add 'blur' to a picture. This image was shot at F-1.6 to give it a softer quality. It was a purposeful decision.



if you didn't blur anything.. why is the jawline obviously blurred in one photo, but not your new edits?


And on a side note... stop being so defensive any time anyone has anything less than glowing to say about your work, it's childish. Just thank them for their thoughts and move on, or ignore it completely. You talked about how much you disliked phil, but at least he knew how to handle a critique, or negative comment.



Sep 11, 2013 at 10:19 PM
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p.4 #5 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


I'm not being defensive. I've thanked everyone for their thoughts. What is childish is you (and a certain handful of other people) popping up in every thread I start acting like condescending jerks.

And no, I did not 'blur' anything. I SHARPENED the new edit in that area and added more contrast. Where's your website, btw? I love how none of you post the link. lol



Sep 11, 2013 at 10:23 PM
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p.4 #6 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Lisa_Holloway wrote:
I'm not being defensive. I've thanked everyone for their thoughts. What is childish is you (and a certain handful of other people) popping up in every thread I start acting like condescending jerks.

And no, I did not 'blur' anything. I SHARPENED the new edit in that area and added more contrast. Where's your website, btw? I love how none of you post the link. lol


I've posted more than enough of my work on this site, you're more than welcome to look for it. I had a website listed for years, but recently changed domain names and don't have a new one up, so I removed my link.... In the meantime, I do have a few pics up on 500px if you'd like to look. http://500px.com/jevilsizor






Sep 11, 2013 at 10:28 PM
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p.4 #7 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}



This is the one problem with Lisa's threads. I'm just not sure how so many people find her pictures to be so amazing, and then some people come in and focus on something that they feel is wrong with her image, or processing, and either it's really not explained, or it's just plain wrong. I can't find any artifacts on her face. And the idea of her adding a blur to the girl's face, or neck, or whatever... is just... well, wrong.

You guys call her defensive, I call her prideful. I'm a halfway decent photographer in a metro area of around 10 million people and I struggle to keep 500 people on my Facebook page. She's in the middle of a desert, Kingman, AZ, and she's got 20,000 loyal followers on her Facebook page. Not even Tony Hoffer has those numbers. Spencer Boerup, who is amazing, has 1666 FB followers. Cliff Mautner, one of the top wedding photographers in the country, has less than 8,000 followers on Facebook. Jerry Ghionis, with his incredible marketing machine, a speaker at every national event in the USA it seems, has 18,000 Facebook followers. All fewer than little 'ol Lisa Holloway in Kingman, AZ. Why? Cuz she produces amazing work, both with her camera and with her post-processing.

Her post-processing is so good, she has has virtual workshops and they're always completely booked months in advance. Every one of them.

Does that mean she's perfect? Nope. But what it does mean is that she's pretty damned good, and to critique her fairly, you have to be on your game. There are a lot of people in this thread alone who offered her advice on a number of different things, and it was the way they presented it that impacted how she took it. She has taken advice and made improvements to her shots, through cropping or whatever, based on critiques and suggestions from us. So how is that defensive? It's not. But when you come across as a jerk, it's not going to come across well.

And by the way, this is from her other thread, humor is only funny when we're all laughing. Add that to your definition. When you're laughing/creating humor at the expense of others, to me that's just not funny.

Flame away. Or better yet, go shoot some great shots and do some great editing, so damned good you have 20,000 faithful followers on Facebook. But first, maybe, you need to get yourself a website.



Sep 11, 2013 at 10:53 PM
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p.4 #8 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Lots of people tripping out here, 'CALM DOWN ALL!!!' GEEZ

All that jelly and no toast

Great stuff Lisa!

Phil



Sep 11, 2013 at 10:59 PM
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p.4 #9 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


You've got to be joking me...
So now photography is judged by how many followers you have on Facebook?

If you can't see the problems with the right side of her face, you clearly aren't looking at it objectively.



Sep 11, 2013 at 11:03 PM
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p.4 #10 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


I just want to say that Ron hit the nail on the head. I love CC despite what some of you may believe, but, and this is a big but....I love it when it is delivered kindly and is truly meant to be helpful - it is pretty easy to spot the difference.


Sep 12, 2013 at 12:26 AM
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p.4 #11 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Since Ron's personal attack of my home life was removed, I'll post this up instead...

Not defensive, and loving critiques when they're delivered to be helpful... I'd consider these helpful coming from someone who is a professional retoucher.

jeremy_clay wrote:
Have to go against the grain and praise and say that the PP on the skin is more then a little over the top, especially for a child who already has close to flawless skin. The loss of a defining feature such as freckles is just too much in my opinion.


your response?

Lisa_Holloway wrote:
She didn't lose any freckles in my processing - I love freckles. Always has to be one in the bunch. I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion anyhow - I have not posted any SOOC shots from this session here. Things I DID do: sculpt and enhance the lighting that was already there. Things I did NOT do: obliterate any freckles.


No... that doesn't sound defensive at all... and then you continue, post after post to defend your "artistic" vision... Then to cement that...

B Erickson wrote:
I actually like the photo in the raw file a lot on its own with its simple innocent feeling.


to which you reply

Lisa_Holloway wrote:
And I actually LOVE the after photo. That was my artistic vision. To each his own.


again, on the defensive

this this gem
Lisa_Holloway wrote:
I apologized and thanked everyone for their opinions, but if you'd like to keep re-hashing this, then by all means, knock yourself out.


I didn't see any apologies... and sure enough, the only people who got thanks were the ones who gushed over the images.

And it's in thread after thread after thread with the same pattern... but I'm done here. My shift is almost up and I'm ready to go volunteer in one of my children's classroom, then pick the other one up from preschool, head home and make 2 of them lunch and hang out with them until my wife gets back from her yoga class, and I'll then I'll finally get to sleep... just kidding... I'll actually ignore them while I post snarky comments on FM.








Sep 12, 2013 at 04:55 AM
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p.4 #12 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


What you write is right on target, Ron, and so very well said!

Cal



Sep 12, 2013 at 05:26 AM
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p.4 #13 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Well, what ever anyone wants to say about this, that, or the other, there has been a pattern in recent threads where simple discussion becomes extended combat. Maybe its late in the day and people are tired, maybe people want to argue, I don't know and I really don't care. I'm sort of tired too....tired of all the combat.

So I think I will just pass by any more new Lisa Holloway topic threads, because they have become predicatable in what the pages contain. Life's too short for any of this nonsense, and it just plain ugly.





Sep 12, 2013 at 06:30 AM
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p.4 #14 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


First, welcome back and congratulations! I have been enjoying your newborn shots, 200L debate, 200L with the pretty redhead, maternity shots, and now your first post-pregnancy client... I'm with the fella who said you could have stopped at #1 and I would have been blown away! BTW, I could tell she was scratching his cheek - you can see she loves that animal... I really love how the bridle and her dress compliment each other in #1 and #2 - just magical... When I got to #5 I could only say, "Wow!" Every young lady dreams about having one shot of themselves that looks like that - you gave that to her... I thought #13 was fine initially - just loved the color and texture of the dress against the horse - but the crop really made it into something special! So many solid shots - she and her parents must have been thrilled... Attending one of your workshops has made my bucket list - so when my time in Afghanistan is over - I look forward to seeing you in Kingman... Are your schedules posted on your FB page? Thank you for sharing your work - I know it inspires a lot of us...


Sep 12, 2013 at 07:42 AM
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p.4 #15 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


My favorite is #1, and the one after that ... and the one after that ... and not limited to this post ...

The deft, delicate skill of balancing all the elements of photography and processing is the hallmark of your work. I'm certain your client is delighted.





Sep 12, 2013 at 08:10 AM
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p.4 #16 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


GeorgieGirl wrote:
So I think I will just pass by any more new Lisa Holloway topic threads, because they have become predicatable in what the pages contain. Life's too short for any of this nonsense, and it just plain ugly.



That is your choice but an unfortunate one in my opinion as you will miss out on some of the highest quality work posted here. I will continue to look for her posts, despite the nonsense, as they push and challenge me as an amateur / hoppy photographer. And I have found Lisa to be more than helpful and considerate when I have questions or comments especially with her busy personal and professional schedule.



Sep 12, 2013 at 08:15 AM
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It's true that they removed my post, but if suggesting that he spend less time trolling Lisa so he could spend more time with his kids (or actually working at his job) is a "personal attack", then I'm guilty. I'm just tired of the jelly trolls that Lisa has to deal with every time she posts these exquisite series of pictures. I feel bad for people who are driven by negative energy.

Worse, I'm put off when people try to give Lisa the reputation of being defensive any time someone offers a critique of her work. It's not the critique, but rather the delivery of the critique. Lisa has made several changes of the pictures in this series based on critiques from some of us. That's not defensive, that's open-minded. I agree with Poff Photo in how that crop really made #13 special.



Sep 12, 2013 at 08:38 AM
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friscoron wrote:
It's true that they removed my post, but if suggesting that he spend less time trolling Lisa so he could spend more time with his kids (or actually working at his job) is a "personal attack", then I'm guilty. I'm just tired of the jelly trolls that Lisa has to deal with every time she posts these exquisite series of pictures. I feel bad for people who are driven by negative energy.

Worse, I'm put off when people try to give Lisa the reputation of being defensive any time someone offers a critique of her work. It's not the critique,
...Show more

Couldn't agree more.

Example - My critique of the position of a shoulder received a quick response and a replacement photo. Nothing defensive either. My post and her response are both on page one if you care to re-visit either.

Critique delivered with a good attitude is a good thing. This thread has some not-so-nice posts. Very un-FMish. Pity.



Sep 12, 2013 at 09:03 AM
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p.4 #19 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


There's a little known Secret for critics, here's how it works:

Click on a Forum and note the list of threads and contributor names.

If they are interesting or familiar click on them...

and ... drum roll please THE SECRET:


Scroll down PAST the titles and contributors you don't want to view.


This simple act can help the entire FM community:

... saves critics time seeing what you don't want see and composing a response

... save admirers the time composing a response to harsh critical posts

... saves Fred from saying "OMG!!!"

AND Saves EVERYONE frustration!

Just Remember The Secret: Scroll baby Scroll



Sep 12, 2013 at 09:51 AM
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p.4 #20 · Gorgeous Country Girl {with her horse}


Sorry Josh, there's a difference between being defensive and disagreeing with critique. I realize this is just a message board and all we're seeing are words on a screen so that difference may be difficult to distinguish at times. Are we not allowed to disagree? I've been at this for quite a while now and there are certain things that you (general you) may take issue with in my work that was done very consciously on my part. The last time I checked, there was no hard and fast rule that you had to agree with every critique tossed your way and apply it to your work. I have had PLENTY of suggestions for improvement sent to me that I actually have implemented because they worked for me. I really don't see the problem here.

In the end though, unclechuck is right. I think there are a few here that it would serve me well to put on 'hide.' What a neat little feature.



Sep 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM
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